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Bernie Sanders Will Run for President Again

Bernie Sanders has announced he's in it to win it. He will run for President (no link due to autoplay video).

I prefer him to Biden, and I hope Biden pulls out or gets pushed aside early, so I don't have to spend my time writing about his abysmal record on criminal justice issues. Someone needs to tell him for real that his time has come and gone.

As to Sanders, I'll do a wait and see this time around. There are no present runners I find exciting, and his positions are better than most. Maybe America will want someone in 2020 who will walk in on day one and tear up every proclamation and executive order Trump and his underlings pushed through. As for Kamala Harris, her criminal justice record as attorney general of California may be too much for me to get past.

I'm not looking for a candidate who's overly focused on one issue: be it women, jobs for the middle class, taxes. etc. I want someone who promises to focus on protecting the constitutional rights of everyone who is present in this country, from immigrants and refugees to persons accused of crime and persons serving long sentences for crimes. And someone with the stature to repair the damage Donald Trump has done to our national image and standing in the world.

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    I'm a hard (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 19, 2019 at 05:59:09 PM EST
    pass on Bernie. I'm looking at all the other candidates though.

    You can add Tulsi Gabbard and Biden (5.00 / 5) (#18)
    by vml68 on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 04:32:10 PM EST
    to the hard pass, for me.

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    I doubt I'll vote for Bernie this round (none / 0) (#20)
    by CST on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 04:47:54 PM EST
    But I could live with him for sure and would even go so far as to say I'd take some solace in someone that left wing winning the nomination. If I were voting on policy alone I'd probably pick Warren, but she has other major electability issues which concern me.

    As for Gabbard and Biden, I really only see downsides. Hard pass indeed.

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    no doubt the Bernie Bro's (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by cpinva on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 06:45:10 AM EST
    will be thrilled, the 99.99999999% of the rest of us, not so much.

    Who knew... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by kdog on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 11:37:14 AM EST
    I am a .0000001 percenter! Well maybe not exactly "thrilled", I'd be thrilled if there was a younger yet equally experienced and authentic office holder who is better looking and better spoken than Bernie announcing a run, but we gotta wait for 2028 for that I think, unless there is someone I'm missing.

    If early small individual donors are any indication, Bernie thrills the people like no one else....not just "Bernie Bros", whatever that may actually mean aside from a slur from the shrinking corporate moderate wing.

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    FYI (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 03:13:03 PM EST
    Bernie Bros and Beckies are people who have been hurling misogyny all over social media.

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    Oh please (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 04:06:09 PM EST
    lets call that snarl word what was/is: a threat to brand young people with the scarlet M for life for being overly-idealistic and not getting vehemently and unquestioningly behind the Clinton campaign.

    Why would confirmed misogynists rally behind someone like Sanders when they have the entire conservative right to pick from?

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    Could it be because having some liberal (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by vml68 on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 04:30:38 PM EST
    views does not preclude you from being a misogynist?

    Why would confirmed misogynists rally behind someone like Sanders when they have the entire conservative right to pick from?

    Just like saying the right things on minimum wage and wealth disparity does not preclude you from making this dumba$$ statement...

    "I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American," Sanders told The Daily Beast, referencing the close contests involving Andrew Gillum in Florida and Stacey Abrams in Georgia and ads run against the two. "I think next time around, by the way, it will be a lot easier for them to do that."

    Aside from the fact that Obama was on the ballot twice, feeling "uncomfortable" voting for someone based on the color of their skin is IMO the definition of racism.

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    It was a dumb thing to say (none / 0) (#24)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 06:14:08 PM EST
    and a dumb thing to think.

    Though, I don't see that statement as suggesting Sanders might be anything remotely like the political candidate of choice in this country for women haters, and now possibly racists.

    To insinuate otherwise is just off-the-charts laughable.

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    You should do some (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 06:20:14 PM EST
    Googling about what many people of color think.

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    I'll help (none / 0) (#26)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 06:27:34 PM EST
    THE ROOT

    As the Daily Beast reports, host Meyers then asked Sanders if he worries that Monday's Mueller indictments could give the left false hope, pushing them away from focusing "on the ballot box."

    "Yes. I mean, I think we've got to work in two ways," Sanders answered. "Number one, we have got to take on Trump's attacks against the environment, against women, against Latinos and blacks and people in the gay community, we've got to fight back every day on those issues. But equally important, or more important: We have got to focus on bread-and-butter issues that mean so much to ordinary Americans."

    Sanders said those "ordinary Americans" are "not staying up every day worrying about Russia's interference in our election." Instead, he said, "They're wondering how they're going to send their kids to college" or "how they're going to be able to pay the rent" or "whether they can afford health care."
    SKKRRRRT.

    The framing is strange--Sanders juxtaposes "ordinary Americans" against women, Latinx and black people and the LGBTQ community as if they were different groups. He also frames those "ordinary Americans" and their issues as "equally ... or more important" than that of the marginalized communities he lists before.

    Systemic racism and sexism regularly affect those "bread and butter" issues Sanders describes: paying for college, rent and health care. Black and Latinx families are losing wealth, not gaining it. The Trump administration's attacks on environmental regulations can also compound the damage suffered by marginalized communities, which are disproportionately affected by global warming and environmental disasters. Black and brown people regularly give a fuck about social justice issues, like police brutality and criminal-justice reform, along with their job prospects. At the same damn time. In fact, they understand better than other "ordinary Americans" how those circles intersect.

    This line of reasoning from Sanders isn't atypical. In the spring, Sanders defended Donald Trump voters.



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    The part about defending Trump voters (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 06:39:15 PM EST
    Seems a particular red flag to me.  

    In fact personally I have always considered Bernie a sort of Bizarroworld Trump.

    They are both loony old coots.  I think Bernie's administration could be every bit a nutty and chaotic as Donald's.  Just in different ways.

    I am f'ing sick of nutty and chaotic.  I would like a nice boring government that works.  I'm sick of the 5 minute news cycles.  I do not want another SNL president.  

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    Senator Sanders (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 07:58:05 PM EST
    seems to have a blind spot in his ability to recognize the holistic character of Americans, their needs and their worries.  And, the interrelationships between bread and butter issues and human dignity expectations. At least, in his rhetoric.  I am hopeful that criticisms along these lines will be taken into account  in this campaign, and inform his ideas of governance.

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    Haven't we learned with Trump (none / 0) (#38)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 08:06:36 PM EST
    About "growing in the job"

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    Yes, (none / 0) (#47)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 09:41:42 PM EST
    but, as I commented, I am hopeful, although he does continue along hardened lines.  But, if he is the nominee I will be in his corner and want to be optimistic that he will compartmentalize with an ordering of priorities in anyal manner.

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    Yes, (none / 0) (#48)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 09:42:02 PM EST
    but, as I commented, I am hopeful, although he does continue along hardened lines.  But, if he is the nominee I will be in his corner and want to be optimistic that he will compartmentalize with an ordering of priorities in anyal manner.

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    ..that he will not (none / 0) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 09:48:11 PM EST
    compartmentalize .in an unequal manner.

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    To be clear (none / 0) (#39)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 08:14:20 PM EST
    I'm not a Bernie Bro and I will not vote like one.  If god forbid the old coot gets the nomination I will do everything I can to get him elected.

    I was talking to a Bernie supporter in the supermarket yesterday.  He was SO happy.  The thing he wanted most, he said, was to elect Bernie just to stick it to Trump voters

    And while I will not deny that is tempting I still think it's a pretty stupid f'ing thing to base your vote on.

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    It's good to know (none / 0) (#41)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 08:40:59 PM EST
    you're not endorsing the characterization of Sanders as a racist fixated on commie class reductionism and 1930s New Deal radicalism.

    It wasn't completely clear if you were or not.

    For the record, I think he's bad horse to bet on as well, and hope he drops out early and uses his influence to nudge things in a more positive direction.

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    I believe the point (none / 0) (#43)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 08:46:59 PM EST
    Was how he is viewed by many people of color.  

    I can be condescending too,  if you like.

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    Bernie needs to drop out and (none / 0) (#50)
    by leap on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 10:32:38 PM EST
    be a mensch to a younger progressive candidate. Why can't he do that? And I was a supporter of his run in the last big primary. As soon as the temps become unfreezing, I will scrape off the Bernie bumper-sticker on my car.

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    Not a chance (none / 0) (#51)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 10:38:39 PM EST
    I agree with whoever said he in for the duration.  Totally can see him as one of the final two.  The other likely being a woman.

    What fun.

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    The thought (none / 0) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 08:53:54 PM EST
    of more chaos gives me hives and like you I think Bernie would be complete chaos 24/7. He won't grow on the job since he hasn't grown in the last 2 years. I want someone serious and steady as president. I don't care if they inspire me and as a matter of fact anyone that claims to be"inspirational" is a complete turn off to me. Boring policy wonk sounds so awesome to me.

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    Oops (none / 0) (#27)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 06:29:10 PM EST
    Banned word

    Delete it if needed I will replace an edited version

    Sorry,  didn't read closely enough

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    Maybe Anne Branigin (none / 0) (#31)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 07:14:21 PM EST
    should throw her hat into the race.

    I don't know how many "people" she represents, but if she can apply the same  sort of exacting forensic analysis to policy issues that she applies to select politician's statements, she might be just what this country needs.

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    Clever deflection (none / 0) (#32)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 07:23:18 PM EST
    But she was quoting an article in the Daiky Beast.  There was a link.

    I could provide more if you like.

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    Try this one (none / 0) (#33)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 07:33:33 PM EST
    Why Bernie Can't Come to the Barbecue: The Black Nation and the Imperial "Left" in the 2016 Presidential Election

    In essence, Sanders lost because he didn't get enough votes or support to overthrow the Clinton machine. He couldn't do this because his campaign did not correctly handle extremely sensitive contradictions and had all of the nuance and tactfulness of a buffalo in a porcelain shop. His campaign and its supporters, when not ignoring black issues completely, chose to pander in a transparent and obvious way. Black people weren't too keen on voting in the first place, Sanders' behavior and warmed over New Deal politics weren't winning anyone to the long lines of the polls anytime soon. His class reductionism, his racism, his supporters' fanaticism and ignorance, his white mediocrity, this is why Bernie can't come to the barbecue.



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    Ta-Nahesi Coates (none / 0) (#34)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 07:46:21 PM EST
    a writer who I'd wager is much more influential than Anne Branigin (if that isn't a misogynist thing to say) took Sanders to task in The Atlantic for not supporting slavery reparations, and then somewhere toward the end of the article said that expecting Hillary to support reparations would be like expecting Ted Cruz to support a woman's right to choose.

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    Here's a list (none / 0) (#35)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 07:55:36 PM EST
    This is entirely (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 07:59:15 PM EST
    the problem. Many of us have been pointing out the misogyny for quite a while now but the excuse always was it's Hillary like it was okay to do and say things because it was Hillary. I hate to tell you bucko but Hillary is not running and the same people are now using their disgusting misogyny on Gillibrand, Klobuchar, Warren and Harris.

    In case you didn't know Sanders campaign was a hotbed of misogyny and harassment in 2016. Those of us who dealt with his supporters were like tell us something we did not know.

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    How do know some of them (none / 0) (#44)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 08:50:51 PM EST
    aren't Russians and rw dirty tricksters in their little troll rooms attempting to sow discord on the left? You don't.

    You underestimate these people. They're doing God's work after all.

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    I am not sure what you are trying to (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by vml68 on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 11:28:05 PM EST
    get at, Jondee. The sexism/misogyny in Bernie's campaign has been documented and had nothing to do with russian trolls or rw dirty tricksters.

    Accounts like Ms. Di Lauro's -- describing episodes of sexual harassment and demeaning treatment as well as pay disparity in Mr. Sanders's 2016 campaign -- have circulated in recent weeks in emails, online comments and private discussions among former supporters.

    Bernie's response when questioned about it was terrible...

    Asked if he knew about the staff complaints, he said, "I was a little bit busy running around the country trying to make the case."

    Seriously?! This excuse is as lame as Jane being too busy to look for their taxes the last time.

    How is he going to handle issues like these that might crop up if he becomes President. Does he think being POTUS will be easier than running a campaign?

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    You learn (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 09:00:04 PM EST
    to recognize the bots after a while like Nosides that is posting here. I don't think David Sirota is a Russian bot. There are many that you would know who they were.

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    Susan Sarandon (5.00 / 4) (#40)
    by MKS on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 08:30:50 PM EST
    Rosario Dawson and Nina Turner.....

    To say the least, they certainly did not get behind Hillary.  

    And, who can forget the Bernie delegates chanting during Hillary's speech?

    No Bernie for me.

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    I was with Sarah Silverman (none / 0) (#42)
    by jondee on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 08:43:20 PM EST
    at the convention.

    And hockey great Stan Mikita.

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    Next time (none / 0) (#62)
    by MKS on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 12:37:01 PM EST
    you gotta share tickets

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    "With" meaning my sentiments (none / 0) (#72)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 22, 2019 at 11:32:25 AM EST
    were pretty much exactly the same as hers.

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    How (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by FlJoe on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 04:38:01 PM EST
    about those tax returns Bernie?

    I read the most ridiculous response from a (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by vml68 on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 11:44:31 PM EST
    Bernie supporter to a comment about wanting to see Bernie's tax returns. Apparently, if you ask to see Bernie's taxes you are anti-semitic.  The logic being you are asking a Jewish man about something related to money. Mind boggling!

    OTOH, I was very happy to see this from Elizabeth Warren.
    I put the past 10 years of my federal tax returns online. And now I'm calling on every other candidate for President to do exactly the same thing. Add your name to our petition calling on all 2020 presidential candidates to put their taxes online.

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    That was (none / 0) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 06:34:33 AM EST
    Warren doing a slam and a challenge to Bernie IMO. Things like this are one of the reasons why I think Bernie is not going to get it easy this time.

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    IMO (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by FlJoe on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 07:47:36 AM EST
    failure to release tax returns should be a deal breaker for any candidate. I found Bernie's reluctance to do so last cycle very curious to say the least.

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    Personally I think the New Democratic (none / 0) (#56)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 08:45:16 AM EST
    Government should pass a couple of laws.

    If you run for president you release 10 years of taxes.

    If you run as a Democrat you have to BE a Democrat.

    POLITIFACT

    Despite this certainty, Sanders seems uncommitted to being committed to the party. His Senate website and press materials continue to label him as an "independent" while his campaign website lists him as a "Democratic candidate." In his home state of Vermont, there is no party registration.

    So can Sanders accurately claim to be unaffiliated with a political party while still running for the Democratic nomination and sometimes calling himself a Democrat?

    It may seem oxymoronic, but yes, he can.



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    Doesn't Warren (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by MKS on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 12:39:58 PM EST
    check all the Bernie boxes, and she is a Democrat....

    I could vote for Warren.  

    I am still hoping Amy takes off.

    Armando is in love with Kamala.  It's pretty funny to see.

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    I would (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 02:51:35 PM EST
    think Warren does check the Bernie boxes plus she actually has thought through policy like her childcare proposal unlike Bernie.

    I see Armando always pushing Kamala. I don't get the appeal but everyone has their thing I guess. Kamala has not finished one term in the senate. That's kind of my main problem with her. Other than that I really liked her speech on identity politics. She really hit the mark there.

    Amy is coming to campaign in GA. Warren already has been. Gillibrand was here when Stacey was running for office. I don't know if she's coming back or not. Amy is the most effective candidate we have running. She is number one in getting legislation passed. That's a big plus in my book.

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    Watching video of Harris w/o sound. (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 12:46:38 PM EST
    She really flirts with her eyes.

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    Dems should unite on various issues (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by smott on Mon Feb 25, 2019 at 11:23:19 AM EST
    Including tax returns.
    Greg Sargent had a pretty good column about that.
    Unite for transparency and against corruption, all pledge to for ex release 10 years of tax returns.

    That will separate Sanders from the unity, naturally.

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    Does Anybody Have Anything to Say (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by RickyJim on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 08:49:34 AM EST
    about Sen. Sanders' positions and policies?  All I've seen in this thread so far are emotional reactions to him as a person.

    We just went through a 2 year campaign (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 08:53:59 AM EST
    2 years ago.

    What do you want to know about his policies?  I suspect almost anyone here could tell you.

    I give him credit for bringing many important issues center stage.  But that's the other point.  There are now center stage.  Pretty much all of them have been endorsed by almost every serious democratic candidate.  Along with some even more progressive ones.

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    I Still Don't Know (none / 0) (#59)
    by RickyJim on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 11:03:51 AM EST
    What his foreign policy is.  Does he agree with Trump that the faster the troops come home from wherever they are, the better?  Does he think the current size of the Defense Department budget is justified?  If not, where would he cut?  That is just for starters.

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    Sanders policies (none / 0) (#60)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 11:07:20 AM EST
    Nothing There About Defense Budget (none / 0) (#68)
    by RickyJim on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 06:53:25 PM EST
    or where the boys should be brought home.  I guess that as far as Israel, he will revert to the Obama administration's stance.  If there are comparative policy articles on the various announced presidential candidates, I haven't found them.

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    Nothing There About Defense Budget (none / 0) (#69)
    by RickyJim on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 07:29:21 PM EST
    or where the boys should be brought home.  I guess that as far as Israel, he will revert to the Obama administration's stance.  If there are comparative policy articles on the various announced presidential candidates, I haven't found them yet.

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    So true. When did the "progressive" Dems (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Peter G on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 08:43:02 PM EST
    give up on being the anti-war party? After McGovern? I'd love to get back into that conversation.

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    His policy positions are not well detailed (none / 0) (#83)
    by smott on Mon Feb 25, 2019 at 11:29:10 AM EST
    His numbers never added up for the things he wanted, which often seemed to reduce to slogans, ie Free College or MFA.

    Listen to Warren break down Medicare for exMple, very interesting and looks at it multiple ways. Don't necessarily just lower the age to 60 for ex, but perhaps give it to younger people I.e. Medicare until age 30 or whatever.

    Inexpensive since Young's are healthier, and builds a constituency for later when they're not.

    She's far more detailed than Bernie ever was.

    And of course he's been vague on foreign policy, let's not go there.

    But his problem is seeing things through a class prism which devalues race issues, and , well, ignores the base of the party.

    That he still won't join.

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    Seriously (none / 0) (#84)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Feb 25, 2019 at 01:05:06 PM EST
    I don't get why all of Bernie's support does not go to Warren. She's way better on ideas and policy solutions than he is. She's certainly botched a few things but then sooner or later all of them are going to botch something. She's also more transparent than he is having released 10 years of tax returns something Bernie so far has refused to do.

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    Two reasons (none / 0) (#85)
    by CST on Mon Feb 25, 2019 at 03:43:42 PM EST
    1 - They're already all-in on Bernie and don't see a reason to change.

    2 - something something shrill something something.

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    I really (none / 0) (#86)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 03:59:07 PM EST
    think it's no. 2 all the way.

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    I wouldn't go that far (none / 0) (#87)
    by CST on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 04:27:57 PM EST
    I think there's also a certain amount of emotional attachment to Bernie from 2016, that's not gone just because Warren entered the race.

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    Exactly (none / 0) (#88)
    by FlJoe on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 04:36:22 PM EST
    Bernie developed quite a cult of personality way beyond his policies.

    EW is a true wonk putting meat on the bones of Bernie's "dreams". I doubt she could even get close to the adulation Bernie gets from his supporters.

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    Which is (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Feb 26, 2019 at 05:19:28 PM EST
    really sad. See above about lying about ethnicity but apparently lying about what you can do is okay. I'm really saddened by a lot of this nonsense going around in the party. Warren is not my candidate, not even in the top 5, but she deserves props for working hard and putting together policy that really helps Americans.

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    When Jane finds Bernie's tax forms (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by Towanda on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 08:30:37 PM EST
    and he releases them, let me know.

    Otherwise, as ever: STFU, Bernie.

    I think (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Feb 24, 2019 at 10:04:02 AM EST
    Based on the reporting I am hearing, unfortunately for Bernie, he will not get a free ride from the media because it's a way to stick it to Hillary.

    The magic this time seems tainted by suggestions he is too old, his moment has passed and saying my campaign is no longer racist and misogynistic is not a good look in 2019

    I want someone (none / 0) (#1)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 19, 2019 at 03:31:20 PM EST
    Who can win.

    Bernie might but others are way more likely.

    I really don't expect (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Feb 19, 2019 at 03:35:54 PM EST
    Biden to try it.  But they say you never stop running for president.

    So.....

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    This worries me (none / 0) (#4)
    by ragebot on Tue Feb 19, 2019 at 06:31:03 PM EST
    I have been involved in tracing my ancestry for a long time and taken a couple of DNA tests.  Not real shocks for me but I have seen others find out things that bothered them.

    As most legal guys know DNA is now a sorta hot topic in criminal investigations.  It seems that any LEO can join a popular site and test DNA from a crime to the whole data base.  Several long ago crimes have been solved using this method.

    This is a link to a bill proposed in AZ to require a lot of folks to provide a DNA sample.  Things like getting a license to teach, work in some areas, and volunteer would mean not only submitting a DNA sample but it is not clear who would pay the $US250 cost.

    On many commercial DNA site forums there are posts about peeps being told by relatives don't get your DNA tested cuz it might lead to a relative being charged with a crime.

    I will be interested to see how candidates for all levels of office weigh in on this.  I would never vote for the Republican who authored this bill.

    You absolutely should (none / 0) (#5)
    by Zorba on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 05:46:29 AM EST
    Be worried.
    And you're right that an individual doesn't even need to submit his/her DNA.  If some of their relatives have had their DNA tested, it can lead back to them.

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    this is the thing (none / 0) (#7)
    by nyjets on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 08:44:28 AM EST
    Another point of view.
    DNA evidence has led to innocent people being freed from jail and guilty people being found guilty. So there is some logic to this bill.
    But I do agree that it can be a slippery slope.

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    Don't understand your post (none / 0) (#9)
    by ragebot on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 11:06:52 AM EST
    All cases I am aware of where someone was released from jail based on DNA were the result of the person in jail providing DNA and it not matching DNA at the crime scene.

    What concerns me is that commercial sites doing DNA tests are open to LEOs to go in and mass test looking for possible perps.

    The two things are very different.

    Not to mention Trump just signed the Rapid DNA bill; which really worries me.

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    fair point (none / 0) (#11)
    by nyjets on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 11:59:11 AM EST
    My only point is that when they do compare DNA to crime scenes, a number of crimes have been solved as a result, (and in some cases helped to release an innocent person.)

    'What concerns me is that commercial sites doing DNA tests are open to LEOs to go in and mass test looking for possible perps.

    The two things are very different.'

    But I would have to agree, it is 2 different things. And a slippery slope.

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    Bernie has a big problem (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 10:44:56 AM EST
    The kids call it "people of color"

    Sanders (none / 0) (#12)
    by NoSides on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 02:13:47 PM EST
    would have easily defeated Trump in 2016.
    But the DNC undermined his campaign and gave us a candidate who, against all odds, managed to lose.

    Will they do it again?

    ROCKY MOUNTAIN OYSTERS (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 03:46:27 PM EST
    2 lbs bull testicles (calf, lamb, sheep, or turkey testicles can also be used)
    2 tablespoons salt
    1 tablespoon vinegar
    1 cup flour
    1⁄4 cup cornmeal
    1 cup red wine
    salt
    pepper
    garlic powder
    bottled hot sauce
    cooking oil (for frying) or fat (for frying)

    Split the tough skin-like muscle that surrounds each "oyster" (use a sharp knife). You can also remove the skin easily if the meat is frozen and then peeled while thawing.
    Soak in a pan of salt water one hour; drain.
    Transfer to a large pot and add enough water to float the meat.
    Add the vinegar to the pot.
    Parboil, drain and rinse.
    Let cool and slice each oyster into 1/4 inch thick ovals.
    Sprinkle salt and pepper on both sides of sliced oyster to taste.
    Combine flour, cornmeal and some garlic powder to taste.
    Roll each slice into flour mixture.
    Dip into milk.
    Roll again into flour mixture.
    Dip into wine.
    (repeat the procedure for a thicker crust).
    Fry in hot oil or fat seasoned with the bottled hot sauce to taste (be careful, it will sizzle when you add the hot sauce); fry until golden brown.
    Drain on paper towels.
    Serve with cocktail sauce if desired.

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    Did you know (none / 0) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 03:53:57 PM EST
    Turkeys had testicles?

    I admit I did not.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#22)
    by Zorba on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 06:01:37 PM EST
    All birds have testes.

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    but most male birds don't have (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by leap on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 07:10:22 PM EST
    Of everyone I know (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 06:07:08 PM EST
    You I would expect to know this.  And I suppose on some level I knew they must have them.

    But it's still sort of a funny mental image

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    For trolling to be effective ... (none / 0) (#21)
    by Yman on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 05:36:10 PM EST
    ... you can't be so blatantly obvious.

    Almost painful, at this point.

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    A rose is a rose is a rose. (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 12:48:58 PM EST
    Following my earlier post (none / 0) (#29)
    by ragebot on Wed Feb 20, 2019 at 07:10:07 PM EST
    Sanders seems to be a clear front runner in funding.  I am betting he is in it for the long run.  What every one thinks about his supporters they seem to be more numerous and more willing to put their money where their mouth is than any other candidate so far.

    So exciting. It is on! When was the last (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 12:25:38 PM EST
    a comment thread almost disappeared into the right margin?

    Bernie Sanders is like licorice... (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 21, 2019 at 02:55:15 PM EST
    Not everybody likes licorice, but people who like licorice really f*cking like licorice.

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    I'm pretty wishy-washy (none / 0) (#73)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 22, 2019 at 11:36:16 AM EST
    about licorice myself. Ouzo on the other hand is an interesting buzz.

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    I like ouzo (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Zorba on Fri Feb 22, 2019 at 01:50:42 PM EST
    But Mr. Zorba can't stand it, so I very rarely buy it.
    OTOH, he likes Metaxa, so I guess I'll keep him.  :-D

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    I've developed a fondness (none / 0) (#75)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 22, 2019 at 04:38:28 PM EST
    For absinthe

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    They say it makes (none / 0) (#76)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 22, 2019 at 04:55:43 PM EST
    the heart grow fonder

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    Bad rap (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Feb 22, 2019 at 05:01:57 PM EST
    Absinthe has often been portrayed as a dangerously addictive psychoactive drug and hallucinogen.[8] The chemical compound thujone, which is present in the spirit in trace amounts, was blamed for its alleged harmful effects. By 1915, absinthe had been banned in the United States and in much of Europe, including France, the Netherlands, Belgium, Switzerland, and Austria-Hungary, yet it has not been demonstrated to be any more dangerous than ordinary spirits. Recent studies have shown that absinthe's psychoactive properties have been exaggerated, apart from that of the alcohol.[8]

    A revival of absinthe began in the 1990s following the adoption of modern European Union food and beverage laws which removed long-standing barriers to its production and sale. By the early 21st century, nearly 200 brands of absinthe were being produced in a dozen countries, most notably in France, Switzerland, Australia, Spain, and Czechia.

    How could you not like this

    Absinthe (ˈæbsɪnθ, -sæ̃θ; French: [apsɛ̃t]) is historically described as a distilled, highly alcoholic beverage (45-74% ABV / 90-148 U.S. proof).[1][2][3][4] It is an anise-flavoured spirit derived from botanicals, including the flowers and leaves of Artemisia absinthium ("grand wormwood"), together with green anise, sweet fennel, and other medicinal and culinary herbs.[5]


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    and this is bad??? (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Feb 25, 2019 at 09:01:32 AM EST
    Absinthe has often been portrayed as a dangerously addictive psychoactive drug and hallucinogen.

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    And then there is a drink, (none / 0) (#78)
    by fishcamp on Sat Feb 23, 2019 at 07:56:45 AM EST
    the Greek Stinger, which is a blend of Ouzo and Metaxa on the rocks.

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    You can add (none / 0) (#79)
    by Zorba on Sat Feb 23, 2019 at 12:20:24 PM EST
    Ouzo to five or seven star Metaxa (I wouldn't, but I won't object if somebody else does), but it would be sacrilege to put anything in Metaxa Grand Fine- drink that neat, or don't drink it at all.

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