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Labor Day Open Thread

The Rolling Stones and Axel Rose of Guns 'N Roses singing "Salt of the Earth."

Happy Labor Day to all.

Here's how labor day began. [More...]

This is a photo I took of the Monument to Labor sculpture in Omaha, Nebraska, by Matthew Placzek. (larger version here.) It's a tribute to the workers in the labor unions that helped build Omaha and is the second largest labor memorial in the country. (If you're ever in Omaha, it's at at the Lewis & Clark landing, along Omaha's Missouri River Walkway.)

I hope everyone had a fun-filled weekend. It's always a bit depressing when summer comes to an end. I think what I'll miss the most is Palisades Peaches.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Signed up for Hulu (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 08:16:28 PM EST
    Specifically to watch 'Active Measures' because so many prominent pols and past public servants tweeted about it yesterday. Devastating,

    Then hey, I had Hulu now, so binge season 2 of 'A Handmaid's Tale'.

    Turns out not two great things that taste great together.


    Don't leave (none / 0) (#2)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 08:20:57 PM EST
    Without seeing Castle Rock

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    Will I need an antidepressant (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 11:13:44 AM EST
    After watching it?

    Cuz damn

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    I'll let you know (none / 0) (#64)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 07:06:47 AM EST
    After the last two episodes drop.  Episode 9 drops today

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    The penultimate episode (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 11:42:31 AM EST
    Is seriously penultimate

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    Also (none / 0) (#87)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 08:35:49 PM EST
    THE LOOMING TOWER is excellent

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    I watched the trailer (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 03, 2018 at 08:27:16 PM EST
    for Active Measures and started crying. I'm not sure I could make it through the entire movie. You will have to let me know how it is and if I can take it.

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    We were both very anxious (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 07:50:12 PM EST
    After watching Active Measures. It is a lot of information. We both felt like we were in shock afterward too.

    I noticed my husband flexing his hands and rubbing his neck, things he does when he's really stressed out, while watching it. If my feet are bare when I'm stressed I rub them together. Drives my daughter nuts. I had to stop myself several times while watching it.

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    NCAA football: The 'Bows are back! (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 01:30:07 AM EST
    We were in Honolulu this weekend, so I went with the son-in-law and some friends to Aloha Stadium on Saturday night to see the University of Hawaii's home opener against Navy. Along with the rest of the crowd, we left the stadium stunned but happy, as the hometown Rainbow Warriors blew out the heavily favored Midshipmen, 59-41.

    The 'Bows hit Navy fast and furious from the opening kickoff, and were already up 28-0 four minutes into the 2nd quarter. While the Middies tried to make a game of it, their defense was clearly overmatched by Hawaii's resurrected run-and-shoot offense. It was UH's most impressive victory on the gridiron in over 10 years, and they were all the buzz around town for the rest of the weekend.

    Go, 'Bows!

    the Brazilian Natl Museum... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 04:11:58 PM EST
    looks totally gutted.  A shame. Millions of artifacts gone.

    Yes the Brazilian Natl Museum (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by fishcamp on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 04:43:38 PM EST
    was a wonderful, one of a kind museum.  I've been to it twice years ago and it's one that you could never see everything in 100 years.

    I guess (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 05:31:44 PM EST
    since you have seen it at least you have those memories. However, so sad for all the people that will never see the exhibits.

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    Kavanaugh (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 09:46:37 AM EST
    Is a plague.  A snake.  A disaster.

    And he will out live most of us

    Agreed (none / 0) (#68)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 10:12:32 AM EST
    I find him to be creepy.  Maybe it is the more than legally necessary salacious draft he prepared for Ken Starr, or my suspicions about some Republican coaches. It will not be surprising to me if his opinions reflect those of Pope Alexander V.

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    Jeez-zus (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 01:14:49 PM EST
    This guy is a piece of sh!t.  The democrats are showing this.

    Election strategy

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    Senator Leahy (none / 0) (#71)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 01:39:46 PM EST
    showed him to be a liar and a thief.  Very clever in the way Senator Leahy got around the "Committee Confidentiality".....Leahy:  If there was an email to the contrary to what you say, would you be surprised?.....Kavanaugh:  Is there such an email Senator?  ...need to ask the chairman who is holding them back from the public.  

      What about his emails?    Let's just talk about his coaching the girls, which he just loves.  

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    An actual headline on USAToday.com (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 08:36:39 AM EST
    "Man accused of sexually assaulting dying beaver, meth possession, Washington police say."

    It IS the end of modern civilization.


    ALEX JONES (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 04:55:02 PM EST
    Wow (5.00 / 5) (#112)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 07, 2018 at 11:26:22 AM EST
    Listening to Obama, just listening to him, is like a soothing balm

    Prosecutors admit they misunderstood (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by McBain on Sat Sep 08, 2018 at 04:55:18 PM EST
     text messages in Maria Butina case.
    Prosecutors said Friday that they misunderstood text messages used as the basis of a claim that Maria Butina offered to trade sex for access -- an extraordinary admission that threatens to undercut the government's cloak-and-dagger portrayal of the young Russian accused of working to infiltrate American political circles.


    NO KIDDING (1.00 / 1) (#118)
    by linea on Sat Sep 08, 2018 at 09:28:31 PM EST
    It was obvious to me that the prosecutors were engaging in slut shaming and slandering a woman with false assertions of being a prostitute - which is exactly what one would expect from misogynistic male pervs fetishizing their favorite scene from Red Sparrow rather than professionals. Also, it's absurd that she continues to be imprisoned before trial particularly since this dishonest garbage formed the basis to make the assertion she isn't in a legitimate relationship and thus has no connections to the community.

    CNN: Government erred in claiming accused Russian spy Maria Butina offered to trade sex for political access

    The government made the explosive allegation that Butina offered "sex in exchange for a position within a special interest organization" in a filing in July -- a claim that has been hotly disputed by her lawyer.

    "I want the government's walk back to get as much coverage, as prominently, as their initial false allegation," said Robert Driscoll, Butina's attorney.

    I previously posted:

    They should have just revoked her visa. What makes me particularly irate is the `flirty' and `slutty' insinuations which for men typically means she smiled and was polite but wouldn't go on a date with you.

    CNN: Butina lawyer demands evidence from prosecutors about sex claims

    My opinion.

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    Your disgusting characterization (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 07:44:27 AM EST
    It was obvious to me that the prosecutors were engaging in slut shaming and slandering a woman with false assertions of being a prostitute - which is exactly what one would expect from misogynistic male pervs fetishizing their favorite scene from Red Sparrow rather than professionals.

    ... of career professionals as "misogynistic male pervs fetishizing their favorite scene from Red Sparrow" is not only laughably biased and ignorant, but also libelous.

    My educated, informed opinion.

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    Your educated, informed opinion? (none / 0) (#125)
    by linea on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 11:53:23 AM EST
    I'm not a lawyer but even I know...

    Collectively referring to the prosecutors in a widely-publicize pubic case as behaving the way one `would expect from misogynistic male pervs fetishizing their favorite scene from Red Sparrow rather than professionals' does not meet the legal standard for libel for a number of obvious reasons.

    Your ill-informed opinion seems particularly ridiculous on an Internet forum rife with hysterical hyperbole including the assertion that the conservative Justices of the United States Supreme Court are Nazis.

    Perhaps you should stick to your day job of stomping your feet and trolling Internet forums rather than attempting to engage in legal analysis.

    Defamation is a False Statement of Fact, Not Opinion

    The most important aspect of a potentially defamatory statement is that it purports to be a statement of fact. Opinions are not defamatory. People have an absolute right to express whatever opinions they like about other people. Let's look at some examples of facts versus opinions.

    "I think that Joe is a jerk," is an opinion. It's not a polite opinion, but it is an opinion nonetheless. But "Joe stole $1,000 from his employer" is a statement of fact. If that statement isn't true, it is defamatory. That is a false statement that clearly can cause injury to Joe. It could get him fired.

    Private Figures vs. Public Figures - Negligence vs. Intent

    Simply because someone makes a defamatory statement does not automatically mean that the person will be liable for defamation. The person making the statement had to have acted inappropriately in some way. The standard of conduct required to hold a person liable for defamation depends on who was defamed.

    If the person defamed was a public figure, the person making the defamatory statement can only be held liable for defamation if he/she knew that the statement was false or if he/she acted with reckless disregard as to the truth or falsity of the statement.

    .

    FINALLY, the false mischaracterization of Mariia Butina as a `flirt' and `slut' and some sort of secret-agent-prostitute trading sex for political access (in the prosecution's wet dreams) is both sexist and bigoted and reflects the worst of insulting misogynistic American male stereotypes of foreign women and in particular of Russian women as prostitutes or gold-digging mail-order brides. Yes, that's my educated and informed opinion.

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    Heh, heh, heh (none / 0) (#127)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 12:34:44 PM EST
    Slapping "my opinion" on an ignorant, long-winded rant after you make laughable, baseless, smears against professional prosecutors doesn't change the fact that they're libelous.  Your usual, sexist rants are usually just boring.  When you venture into your usual Wikipedia-based legal analysis against those of us who know what we're talking about, it's just pathetic.  

    But that's typical ...

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    `Heh, heh, heh' (none / 0) (#129)
    by linea on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 02:18:14 PM EST
    But you don't know what you're talking about. While most of your posts are simply wild rants, your occasional attempts at `legal analysis' typically express your personal feelings and reject both facts and the law.

    For example, your recent Zimmerman rants consistently reject the reasoned analysis of an experienced defense attorney even after facts of the case are explained to you. Your current `legal conclusion' of what constitutes libel is so sloppy that every rant insulting Kavenaugh on this thread qualifies (they don't). But at least those posts actually name an individual rather than my post which criticizes all the federal prosecutors on a case collectively.

    Fine. I won't write `my opinion,' I'll write this:
    It is clear and obvious to me that the prosecution engaged in insulting and demeaning stereotypes of women, of foreign women, and of Russian women in particular - stereotypes arising from bigotry and misogyny. This is my reasoned and educated analysis.

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    Progress (none / 0) (#130)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 02:31:32 PM EST
    It is clear and obvious to me that the prosecution engaged in insulting and demeaning stereotypes of women, of foreign women, and of Russian women in particular - stereotypes arising from bigotry and misogyny. This is my reasoned and educated analysis.

    Just a couple of tweaks to make it accurate:

    "It is clear and obvious to me that I imagine sexism whenever a male does anything.  While some may argue that this delegitimizes actual acts of misogyny and sexism, I don't care what they think, because it's my opinion.  I don't care if my accusations are nothing more than ignorant, tinfoil conspiracy theories - I want to believe them and so they must be true!  I read a Wikipedia article and so I know the law far better than people who are actually educated and actually practice law!  Now go away or I'll start one of my infamous "Duh!" posts, followed by one of my "Sorry!" posts, which are so ignorant and illogical they will make you want to jump off the nearest bridge!  Now, leave me alone ... the wine bar opens in 10 minutes!"

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    Well then! (2.00 / 1) (#133)
    by linea on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 04:23:22 PM EST
    Thank you for man-splaining that to me. I'm not surprised that you are ignorant of slut-shaming or male stereotypes of foreign women.

    I do realize that you believe your manophere insights are profound. But that's a result of your arrogance and narcissism. No, having a law degree doesn't make you an expert in the female experience or make you in any way insightful on any issue. There are several writers on this forum who actually are insightful. You're not one of them. In fact, your posts are consistently boorish and petty.

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    Ohhhhhh Nooooooo ...!!! (none / 0) (#134)
    by Yman on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 05:03:09 PM EST
    Linea is playing the victim of imaginary sexism and thinks I'm "boorish and petty".

    Dear, God.  WGAF?  Does anyone ever care what you think of them?  Serious question.  I have trouble imagining anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence caring about your opinion.

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    Well, peter g agreed with L 90%!!, (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 10, 2018 at 04:58:33 AM EST
    More than (none / 0) (#117)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 08, 2018 at 07:52:19 PM EST
    likely the money is going to tell the tale more than any text messages.

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    Serena Willsions accuses tennis (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by McBain on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 11:19:43 AM EST
    of being sexist.
    Williams accused umpire Carlos Ramos of sexism after she was handed a series of code violations during Saturday's match.
    Ramos first gave Williams a code violation warning for coaching after he ruled that her coach, Patrick Mouratoglou, gave her hand signals from the stands.
    Then she got a point penalty for smashing her racket, followed by a game penalty for verbal abuse after she confronted the umpire.
    "You stole a point from me and you are a thief," Williams told Ramos prompting the game penalty ruling....

    ...For Christine Brennan, a CNN sports analyst, the clashes between Williams and the umpire show that women are not being treated equally in the tennis world.
    "We know that there's quite a history to it. Think of John McEnroe, think of Ilie Nastase, Jimmy Connors, Andre Agassi. These men all berated chair umpires, famously so. Commercials have been made. McEnroe has done, 'you can't be serious' and all the other tirades, top of his lungs over the years and none of them received a game penalty," Brennan said.

    I didn't see the match and haven't watched much tennis in the past 10 years so I can't say if she was the victim of a double standard.  But let's keep in mind this is a sport were women still wear skirts.


    Tennis Skirt (none / 0) (#128)
    by linea on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 12:46:37 PM EST
    My `rents sent me to a private club for tennis lessons and this met one of the Physical Education requirements at the High School I attended. The tennis instructor started with topspin for the first lesson. I asked, `Shoudn't I learn to hit the ball over the net first?' He said, `No. I teach children topspin for the first lesson.' Tennis whites and tennis skirt for girls and women were a requirement on the court. At the time, I thought nothing of it. Now, I feel girls and women should have the option of wearing shorts or skirt.

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    I think women can wear shorts in most (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by McBain on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 03:02:09 PM EST
    tournaments or at most clubs if they want to.  But when they do, then tend to get criticized for it.  Serena Williams was criticized for wearing a "catsuit".

    Tennis tends to be a fancy rich person's sport with old traditions.    

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    Yes, clearly different standards (none / 0) (#137)
    by linea on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 05:46:09 PM EST
    I haven't followed the specifics with Serena Williams but there are clearly different standards for acceptable behavior and an expectation that women be calm if not demure rather than irritated, outraged, or justifyably angry. A man can become clearly irate in most situations and is accommodated while a woman showing too much irritation is shut down and any possibility for an accommodation or resolution ends. This applies to almost everything in the public sphere; retail transactions, dealing with flight issues, hotel reservations, car repair disputes, or anything else.

    Huffington Post: People Reward Angry Men But Punish Angry Women, Study Suggests

    With regard to Serena Williams' catsuit, I suppose if you are a celebrity sports-entertainer with a net worth of $180 million dollars, wearing catsuits and black tutus is what you do to keep from being bored. The rest of us make a point to not look ridiculous when we go out in public.

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    The SUNDAY SHOWS were....... (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 11:25:26 AM EST
    ...well......apocalyptic.

    Thats the only word I can think of.

    Apocalytic (none / 0) (#126)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 12:33:25 PM EST
    how?

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    OMG (none / 0) (#135)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 05:20:13 PM EST
    The presidents not in charge

    There is a "soft coup" in the white house
    I love that term for Trump.  It sounds...elderly

    And an anonymous senior person is pulling the fire alarm on the crazy and team Trump has narrowed it down to 100 suspects.

    It might be time for an exit strategy.

    Or we could whine about Serena.

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    The anonymous (none / 0) (#140)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 07:41:29 PM EST
    writer trying to save themselves actually did nothing but but damage themselves. They infuriated conservatives because they are not doing Trump's agenda and they made everybody else mad because they came off as a coward.

    And I understand Bob Woodward said we better sure hope there is no crisis. If you think something like 9/11 was back enough with an over entitled frat boy like Bush at the helm can you imagine what would happen with Trump????

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    ... here comes Olivia. Looks like we're in for another torrential supersoaking.

    Contrary to the hysterical (none / 0) (#5)
    by fishcamp on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:10:35 AM EST
    weather reports on tv, tropical storm Gordon was a big fizzle here in Islamorada.  It was first forecast to land 25 miles south of me, but finally hit 25 miles north in Key Largo with 45 mph winds.  It did get windy and rainy here for a short time.  Several friends saw on tv we were being hit with a hurricane and were all worried, which I appreciated.  Then they seemed disappointed that I didn't have some horror story to tell them.  Strange.  We do have three more circles on the big map of the Atlantic, so something terrorizing could still happen.  I'm ready.

    I'm glad (none / 0) (#7)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:30:33 AM EST
    Never, ever, call the police for help. (none / 0) (#6)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:30:16 AM EST
    This was a "welfare" check. Checking on Vanessa Marquez' welfare cost her life.

    to be a BB gun pistol at the police, though in general I agree with your conclusion...

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    Doesn't sound like the officers (none / 0) (#29)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 01:48:12 PM EST
    had much of a choice.  From your link...
    However, when the 49-year-old pulled out a "replica semi-automatic handgun," officers fired, reportedly shooting Marquez in the torso.

    This sounds like more of a mental health issue than a police procedure issue.

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    As usual, the point is completely over your head. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 02:31:17 PM EST
    It was a WELLNESS (or welfare) check. The subject of the check ended up dead. It is not the first time.


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    This sounds like a case (none / 0) (#34)
    by jondee on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 04:09:23 PM EST
    of gross incompetence or apathy on the part of the cops.

    The First thing you do with someone who's in that kind of distress is keep them away from any objects they could use to harm themselves or others.

    This is one of the reasons why workers in mental health facilities never have resort to using "deadly force".

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    Sounds like a rush to judgement on your part (none / 0) (#44)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 07:12:49 PM EST
    The article Chuck linked to was vague.  Do you have other information to suggest the police were incompetent or apathetic?  

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    You still don't get it. (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:17:43 PM EST
    Why are you so OK with citizens being shot and killed by police? The entire reason for them being there was to check on this women's well being. Killing that person is not my idea of a successfully completing that mission. If you do, you are one sick f**k.

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    I agree with Chuck (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by linea on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 09:42:51 PM EST
    The one thing that should never happen when someone calls the police because a family member is depressed and suicidal -- is for it to end with the police shooting the depressed person. It's ridiculous and incompetent for the police to not have a rational and restrained process in place that doesn't include shooting the person.

    Parent
    It's easy to say "should never happen" (none / 0) (#60)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 09:57:33 PM EST
    it's another thing to address the facts of this incident since we don't have all of them yet. Police are allowed to shoot someone if they think they are about to get shot.  Remember the Betty Shelby/Terence Crutcher shooting?  

    The article Chuck linked to suggests the police thought this woman had a real gun and was about to use it. Do you have any information that shows they were in a position to prevent her from doing that without using deadly force?

    As I have said many times, police need better non lethal options than are currently available.  It's 2018, we should have effective stun guns by now.  

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    How about not being a f*cking (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 04:35:37 PM EST
    idiot and sitting the woman down on a couch and doing what you can to soothe and sort out the situation, while keeping her away from guns and sharp objects?

    Thousands of professionals around the world do that every day without having to resort shooting people.

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    Do you have more information than (none / 0) (#94)
    by McBain on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 11:48:53 PM EST
    was presented in Chuck's link?  I'd like to know how you reached your conclusion.

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    I reached my conclusion (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 10:22:21 AM EST
    by drawing on a considerable fund of personal experience dealing with people in the real world

    How is it that you always seem to arrive at the conclusion that the police "had no choice" when they kill unarmed people?

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    I quoted part of the linked article Jondee (none / 0) (#100)
    by McBain on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 11:24:46 AM EST
    However, when the 49-year-old pulled out a "replica semi-automatic handgun," officers fired, reportedly shooting Marquez in the torso.

    and said "doesn't sounds like the officer's had much of a choice".  I'm open to hearing evidence based opinions they did have a choice but I haven't seen any yet. What I've heard from you is they shouldn't have let her have the fake gun in the first place without showing they were in a position to do that.

    As for your general "when they kill unarmed people" statement... In many of the police shootings that gain national attention, the police didn't know if someone is armed or not until it is too late. The person who got shot usually wasn't doing what the police told them to do.  In some cases drugs and/or mental illness was involved which complicates things.  

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    Right.. (none / 0) (#102)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 02:32:23 PM EST
    But then I forget, you're the guy who somehow felt the need to fall all over himself making excuses for the cop who shot Walter Scott five times in the back, like he was a target in a carnival game.

    How about this? They had a choice to do what they're paid to do and take control of the situation Before anyone got hurt and they didn't. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    But I don't know why I bother: we both know that if they had Walter Scott-ed Ms Marquez, you'd be parroting whatever damage-control spin the cops put on that situation as well.

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    How do you know this? (none / 0) (#103)
    by McBain on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 04:08:29 PM EST
    They had a choice to do what they're paid to do and take control of the situation Before anyone got hurt and they didn't.

    What is it you think they walked into and what were their realistic options?  

    If you want to talk about the Walter Scott case, I'm happy to do it.  At least we had video of parts of that incident. I don't believe that shooting was murder.    

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    Officer Slager (1.00 / 1) (#107)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 09:04:58 PM EST
    is now getting to experience firsthand some of the other unpleasant things that can happen when you turn your back on the wrong person..

    Maybe he'll come to enjoy it after awhile.

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    Hearing about to start (none / 0) (#8)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:31:32 AM EST
    Should be interesting

    Wow (none / 0) (#9)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:35:36 AM EST
    That didn't take long.

    Fireworks.  Roaring applause.

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    This is quite a show (none / 0) (#10)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:49:36 AM EST
    Hope people are watching.  I think the dens may walk out. Maybe.

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    Or not (none / 0) (#11)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:51:43 AM EST
    The fact Kavanaugh is gleefully going along with with this says all you need to know about him.

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    Grassley is the queen of hearts (none / 0) (#12)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:54:00 AM EST
    You can't do that! (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 08:16:36 PM EST
    CaptHowdy: "Grassley is the queen of hearts."

    Lindsey Graham has long had his heart set on being queen, regardless of suit. Trump promised him.

    ;-D

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    I think it would be smart (none / 0) (#13)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 09:13:01 AM EST
    For Mueller to subpoena Trump while this hearing is happening.  It seems it will go through the weekend.

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    Durbin drops this hammer (none / 0) (#16)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 10:58:39 AM EST
    "Step up. Ask this be adjourned until your record can be seen"

    (paraphrase)

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    Dems walking out during this phase (none / 0) (#45)
    by Towanda on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 07:37:37 PM EST
    would be unwise.  Republicans have a quorum and could move, immediately, to approval. However, for that reason, it could be effective to wait until the vote to walk out.

    For now, Dems need to stay put to publicize how this nominee is being pushed through without full information for anyone in Congress or the public.

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    Just reading about that (none / 0) (#47)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 07:53:12 PM EST
    Not going to sail through (none / 0) (#14)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 10:35:49 AM EST
    He might GET through but I really think the Dems are doing OK so far and if Kavanaugh is confirmed we take the Senate in Nov.

    It would suck but it would have rippling effects no one can predict.  

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    I'm starting to think (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 10:48:26 AM EST
    The democrats are running an election strategy not a confirmation strategy.  Not a bad idea since they can't really stop it

    Is ANYONE else watching this?

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    Yes, just returned from the gym (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by fishcamp on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 11:14:08 AM EST
    and turned it on.  I'll watch it until Del Porto plays Isner on ESPN at the U S Open. Tennis tournament.   I can still play tennis but not politics.  I know it's history in the making, but I simply can't stand to listen to their BS.  I'd rather read your report Howdy, since you don't mince words like they do.  

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    Thank god (none / 0) (#21)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 11:19:22 AM EST
    I am for the moment (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 11:15:18 AM EST
    It is being said that Kavanaugh is surprised by the push back by the Dems and the protests.

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    Is it just me (none / 0) (#20)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 11:19:05 AM EST
    Or does it seem singularly unwise for multiple republicans to site Bork?

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    Hypocrisy (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 11:52:35 AM EST
    I think it means (none / 0) (#24)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 11:57:01 AM EST
    They know it's not sailing through

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    Yes, I was watching until... (none / 0) (#33)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 03:56:25 PM EST
    Ted Cruz started  to talk.  Then that was all for me.

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    Everytime I see Lyin' Ted (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Chuck0 on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 06:00:42 PM EST
    on TV, I feel like I need a shower afterward. Something really skeevy about that guy. But, instead, I went to BetoforTexas.com and donated again to his Senate campaign. This is getting to be a habit lately. Donating to Senate candidates I can't vote for. It worked against Roy Moore, hopefully that happens again. Something in previous years, I never would have done. I am an ex-Texas resident, so I do have a slight connection. Many friends still there.

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    Kavanaugh has a punching-bag face... (none / 0) (#62)
    by desertswine on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 11:42:42 PM EST
    just like Cruz.  The fact that Kavanaugh turned his back on Fred Guttenberg is all that I need to know about him.

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    No kidding (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 09:49:29 AM EST
    The look on his pasty face is absolutely chilling.

    And minutes later he sent security to harass the man.  

    It was horrible

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    BUT (none / 0) (#63)
    by jmacWA on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 06:05:29 AM EST
    Don't forget to vote for Casey :)

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    Cruz opening his mouth was when (none / 0) (#38)
    by caseyOR on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 05:23:37 PM EST
    I bailed, too. Restored some sanity and lowered my blood pressure by switching to tennis. Serena plays in the quarterfinals tonight.

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    Flakes questioning (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 01:08:51 PM EST
    Is clear

    He is going to be confirmed.  Get over it.  Start planning what comes next.

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    Set up Kavanaugh for impeachment (none / 0) (#32)
    by smott on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 03:27:45 PM EST
    He lied in his previous hearing. He had enormous personal debt mysteriously disappear overnight.
    There were loads of leaks when he was on the Starr investigation, think there might bea reporter still around that he might have leaked to?

    There's plenty of room to have him perjure himself.

    Of course for this, Dems would have to be both organized and competent.

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    Bob Woodward (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 12:06:27 PM EST
    Once again proves he and his publisher have killer timing.

    W-Post (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by FlJoe on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 12:44:00 PM EST
    has some snippets
    After Trump left the meeting, Woodward recounts, "Mattis was particularly exasperated and alarmed, telling close associates that the president acted like -- and had the understanding of -- `a fifth- or sixth-grader.' "
    White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly frequently lost his temper and told colleagues that he thought the president was "unhinged," Woodward writes. In one small group meeting, Kelly said of Trump: "He's an idiot. It's pointless to try to convince him of anything. He's gone off the rails. We're in Crazytown. I don't even know why any of us are here. This is the worst job I've ever had."


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    Well, this is comforting :'-( !!! (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by vml68 on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 01:06:10 PM EST
    Titled (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by FlJoe on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 05:00:31 PM EST
    "Fear: tRump in the White House", it should have been Fear and Loathing: tRump in the WH", I don't think Hunter would have minded, I wouldn't.

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    Will Mattis and Kelly (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 06:04:22 PM EST
    Make it the till the election?

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    I (none / 0) (#43)
    by FlJoe on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 06:37:04 PM EST
    will have to check with Fox news before a wager on that.

    My sense is the Repugs are trying desperately trying the whole thing together until they install their fascist enabler, so that might hold him back until then. Holding tRump in check in check for another two months maybe a bridge to far for them.

    My gut feeling is Kelly will be soon gone and Mattis stays, although tRump toyed for months with Tillerson after his fkng moron comment, so who really knows?

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    I don't think Kelly is relevant (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:02:30 PM EST
    Any longer to Trump or the resistance or well - anyone

    Mattis is, and I read Mattis' statement about Woodward's book. He intends to stick this out to the bitter end and slow roll Trump as long as he can. I think if surviving Trump meant Mattis had to be burned at the stake, Mattis would get it done and he wouldn't even scream.

    John Kelly's statement lacked serious or professional grammar or tone. It was almost like he's hoping Javanka will argue to fire him like he's the next Mooch.

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    I agree (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 09:04:16 PM EST
    Besides Kelly basically publicly killing himself off what I get from this book is Kelly trying to redeem himself. It's not gonna work though. After it was found that Kelly was making up stuff and the fact that he basically agreed with Trump's white nationalist ways nobody has taken him seriously.

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    Do you have the book already? (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 09:38:42 PM EST
    OMG, if you do and that's what you're getting from it I'll run naked in the street tonight to buy that book...bahaha!

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    How was the museum. (none / 0) (#106)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 08:36:21 PM EST
    I went to a screening of a film about Hunter Thompson in DC a few years back. The spy museum was on the same block if I remember correct. I considered going then. Have passed by a few times since.

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    The teens loved it (none / 0) (#108)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 07, 2018 at 03:54:47 AM EST
    Not really my thing, but a really fun gift shop. You may have been in the Ford theater. It is very close by.

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    I bought Malcolm Nance's book (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:06:55 PM EST
    At the silly spy museum here. We visited with our friends from Poland. The teenagers wanted to go. The gift shop was stacked with every anti-Trump book in print. I couldn't believe I was buying Nance's book at the silly spy museum.

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    In episode 4 of Rest In Power (none / 0) (#31)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 02:46:48 PM EST
    the testimony of Rachel Jeantel and medical examiner Shiping Bao is discussed.  I remember Jeantel but forgot how crazy Bao's testimony was.  He said things like...
    "I have no facts.  I have zero opinion."
    and
    "I cannot remember anything on the day of the autopsy"

    It looks like the filmmakers are going to blame the judge and prosecution for the verdict.  They didn't like the judge because she ruled the prosecution couldn't talk about "racial profiling" and they didn't like the prosecution because they didn't prep their witnesses very well.  Perhaps Bao could have been prepped better but I don't think there was any realistic hope Jeantel was going to help the state's case.

    Jeralyn talks about how the lead investigator, Chris Serino, might have been pressured into recommending a manslaughter charge. Sounds like it was some kind of a compromise.  The mob wanted murder, Serino probably didn't want any charges, so he gave them something in the middle.

    I might watch episode 5 today.  They're entertaining but from a documentary point of view, they're getting worse and worse.

    "Might have been ..." (none / 0) (#39)
    by Yman on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 05:24:07 PM EST
    Jeralyn talks about how the lead investigator, Chris Serino, might have been pressured into recommending a manslaughter charge. Sounds like it was some kind of a compromise.  The mob wanted murder, Serino probably didn't want any charges, so he gave them something in the middle.

    Shear speculation is easy - evidence is actually worth something.  

    "The mob" - heh.  A slight improvement over "those thugs"?

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    What They Probably Didn't Mention (none / 0) (#52)
    by RickyJim on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:42:55 PM EST
    Let me know if any of this came up:
    1. Prosecution's attempt to enter junk science "proof" that the person screaming on the tape was Martin.  This "evidence" was rejected by the judge after a Fry hearing.  But the fact the prosecution tried to use it without checking it out first makes them guilty of fraud IMHO.
    2. Jeantel's claim that she told Martin that Zimmerman was a sex pervert who might harm his little (step) brother.  I forget if she said that during testifying but she did relate that on the Piers Morgan show on CNN.
    3. The fact that the prosecution was totally slaughtered during the trial.  A juror said the trial was a "waste of time." A good many of the prosecution witnesses supported Zimmerman.


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    They definitely suggest the Zimmerman defense (none / 0) (#61)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 10:07:38 PM EST
    team outlawyered the state of Florida.  They're starting to suggest that if the prosecution, judge and jury had been more black, the verdict might have been different.

    Maybe one day there will be a more balanced documentary.  This one isn't 100% biased but it's no where near fair.  They briefly talk about Trayvon's drug use but spend much more time on how he was a great person.  They haven't brought up his alleged interest in street fighting.  They did talk a little about the possibility he was purchasing ingredients for a home made street drug.  

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    Michael Dredka talks about the (none / 0) (#51)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:34:41 PM EST
    Florida parking lot shooting.
    "I was very scared. I've never been confronted like that, never been assaulted like that, if you will, ever,...
    ...It felt like I was tackled, or someone hit me from behind with something. I left my feet, and slid along the ground,"
    Later in the interview, Drejka apologized to McGlockton's family.
    "I'm sorry. That's all I can really say to them. ...Thinking about it, would you accept those kinds of words from someone? I don't think I would," he said. "I think there's too much hate already ... for me to be able to say anything that would make any kind of difference," he said.

    What I find interesting about this case is either a judge or a jury is going to have to make a decision based on what they think was going though Drejka's head when he shot McGlockton.  Did he have a reasonable fear for his safety?

    Judging by his documented (none / 0) (#76)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 04:45:09 PM EST
    past history, Drejka sounds like another rageaholic ticking time bomb who'd been waiting all along for his special moment in the Stand Your Ground spotlight.

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    Judging by his documented (none / 0) (#77)
    by jondee on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 04:57:49 PM EST
    past history, Drejka sounds like another rageaholic ticking time bomb who'd been waiting all along for his special moment in the Stand Your Ground spotlight.

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    Another 10 term congressman (none / 0) (#53)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 08:46:53 PM EST
    Goes down to an upstart


    Democratic Activist Ousts Incumbent Massachusetts Congressman in Primary

    A female upstart of color

    Maybe (none / 0) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 09:05:53 PM EST
    CST will stop by and comment on this but I think that rep was not well suited to his district.

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    I'm honestly shocked (none / 0) (#56)
    by CST on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 09:11:47 PM EST
    This isn't my district but it is my neighborhood.   I like Capuano a lot but I donated to Pressley and I'm glad she won.   Capuano proved a bit tone deaf in his campaign and she's a better representative of where the district is right now.

    That said, I still thought for sure he would win.   Happy to be wrong.

    Worth mentioning that Ayanna Pressley is not a newcomer to local politics, she's been a city councillor for a long time.

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    Quite a history in that district (none / 0) (#57)
    by CaptHowdy on Tue Sep 04, 2018 at 09:17:11 PM EST
    JFK, Tipp O'Neill now the first AA woman

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    Ayanna Pressley (none / 0) (#65)
    by CST on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 09:01:05 AM EST
    Was the first non-white female city councilor as well.  So this is well tread territory for her.

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    White House officers, (none / 0) (#72)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 03:02:23 PM EST
    rather than being so bold and patriotic to talk, anonymously to a guy writing a book, should, if the accounts are true, invoke the section of the 25th Amendment that takes power away from the president (based on the vice president and a majority of he principal officers of the executive departments.)  

    Trump,"the idiot," and f...moron, the apparent terms of endearment by executive department officers, is getting worse and worse.  Among the latest, is his attack on Mueller/conflict of interest with his best friend, Comey:  "and, I could give you 100 pictures of him (Mueller) and Comey hugging and kissing each other.  You know, he is Comey's best friend."  

    Anonymous (none / 0) (#73)
    by FlJoe on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 03:38:56 PM EST
    strikes again, in the NYT
    The dilemma -- which he does not fully grasp -- is that many of the senior officials in his own administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations.
    I would know. I am one of them.

     He or she pulls no punches  
    The root of the problem is the president's amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making.
    and to your point
    Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until -- one way or another -- it's over.
    IMO still cowardly, but more validation of the truth about tRump.

    Mostly it comes off as someone trying to portray themselves as the true conservative hero, sacrificing their "honor" for the good of the country (the tax cuts...and more! is just gravy I'm sure).

    Pence maybe?

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    I concur with Charles Pierce. (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 08:48:13 PM EST
    Anonymous, New York Times: "The root of the problem is the president's amorality. Anyone who works with him knows he is not moored to any discernible first principles that guide his decision making."

    Charles Pierce: "Jesus H. Christ on an auto-glass ad, everybody who watched him for 11 seconds on the campaign trail figured this out. You'd have to have had the brain of a marmoset not to be convinced of this back in 19-goddamn-79. More than 60 million people voted for him anyway. You took a job with him. When the scales fall from your eyes, make sure they don't hit you in the feet."

    [...]

    Anonymous, New York Times: "Given the instability many witnessed, there were early whispers within the cabinet of invoking the 25th Amendment, which would start a complex process for removing the president. But no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis. So we will do what we can to steer the administration in the right direction until -- one way or another -- it's over. The bigger concern is not what Mr. Trump has done to the presidency but rather what we as a nation have allowed him to do to us. We have sunk low with him and allowed our discourse to be stripped of civility."

    Pierce (cont'd): "Yeah, his behavior in office has shocked the hell out of me, too. Who could've guessed that a raving know-nothing with a gold commode might turn out to be a tacky president*?

    "Enough of this stuff. Stand up in the light of day and tell your stories. All of them, right from the beginning. Admit that what you're confronting now is the end result of 40 years of conservative politics and all the government-is-the-problem malfeasance you've been imbibing since you were wingnuts in swaddling. The fire's licking at your ankles at last. Come out of the cupboards, you boys and girls. None of you are heroes."

    Nuf ced. Aloha.

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    Pierce is spot on. (1.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Chuck0 on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 07:43:19 AM EST
    I made similar comments here. I stated unequivocally that Bone Spurs was a danger to the safety and security of this Republic. The one thing I missed, was I predicted civil war within a year. Though I still don't count it out. Should he be removed from office, I believe there is a distinct chance of violence from his core base.

    Like Pierce, I recognized Bone Spurs was a complete douchebag way back in 1979 (or whenever I ever first took notice of him).

    I still believe he needs to be removed, by any means necessary. I don't care. 25th amendment, impeachment, in a body bag. I'm good with any option. It's time for the author of the NYT op-ed and/or anyone else in his cabal to step up and be patriots. Stop lurking in the corners and act.
     

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    I disagree with Charles (none / 0) (#98)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 11:20:02 AM EST
    And anyone else who says this person should have spoken openly and resigned.

    If they had done that, with all that's happening in the world of "news", this story would have been yesterday's news yesterday.

    It is staying in the news precisely because of the guessing game of who it is.

    This was brilliant.

    And

    This person will almost certainly be outed eventually.  After days or weeks of coverage.  I think they expect to speak openly.

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    It's worth remembering (none / 0) (#99)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 11:22:39 AM EST
    Nixon organised the "plumbers" to stop the leaks.

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    I have to say (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 09:59:18 PM EST
    I agree with your last paragraph.

    David Frum wrote today:

    If the president's closest advisers believe that he is morally and intellectually unfit for his high office, they have a duty to do their utmost to remove him from it, by the lawful means at hand. That duty may be risky to their careers in government or afterward. But on their first day at work, they swore an oath to defend the Constitution--and there were no "riskiness" exemptions in the text of that oath.

    And that is how I feel. They knew he was bad for the country yet did nothing. This is also descriptive of the entire GOP. They all have done nothing and now we're looking at crazytown putting someone on the supreme court?

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    Ivanka ? (none / 0) (#74)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 04:26:05 PM EST
    Some (none / 0) (#78)
    by FlJoe on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 05:00:21 PM EST
    names being floated around, Haley, Mnuchin, Mattis, Kelley. I've been wondering about McGahn.

    It has to be someone who can be fired, that leaves out Pence, at least directly and Ivanka. The writer seems to suggest that they were  there from day one, so that leaves out a lot of people.

    I want to rule out Mattis and Kelly, those military types would rather just keep their head down and soldier on resign rather than speak out this particular way.

    I think Mnuchin is too much of a dilettante to give a sht.

    Haley wants a political future so maybe she is laying down a marker.

    McGahn has been trying to polish his rep for month and seems to be starting to nurse a grudge but it's hard to see him stepping on Kavanaugh's  hearings, but maybe it's meant as a distraction.

    This speculating stuff is fun and it must be infuriating for tRump making it delicious.


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    Yeah (none / 0) (#79)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 05:07:51 PM EST
    Half kidding about Ivanka.

    THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!

    Seems to be considerable speculation about McGhan.  They say from the writing it must be a lawyer but that doesn't help that much.

    This is really extraordinary.  Which is tough these days.  

    Wonder if Mueller knows who it is.

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    Also most agree (none / 0) (#80)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 05:09:13 PM EST
    The person probably won't stay anonymous long.

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    So much angst (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 05:37:03 PM EST
    That this person should go public.  

    I disagree.  This is far more effective.  It will throw Trumpland into utter turmoil.

    If they came forward it would be a page 3 story forgotten in an hour in this environment.  I agree it will give support to Trumps deep state BS but if you want to make an omelette....

    This could well make "things" worse.  But I'm pretty sure they are going to need to get worse to get better.

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    I think (none / 0) (#83)
    by KeysDan on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 06:23:24 PM EST
    the media is spending too much time on who wrote the NY Times op ed, rather than on what he wrote. True, it is fun to speculate on the writer, but what he wrote escalates what has been reported every day, and what has turned up in Wolf's, Omarrosa's and, apparently, in Woodward's books

    The op ed confirms that the internal resistance, assuming it is not just one deep throat type guy, feels it can conrol and contain the damage of Trump, while they still get their goodies, like tax cuts and increases in military spending.

    Now for my guess: Dan Coates. He served in the senate (R. IN) with McCain who the op ed cites, along with the positional capability to attenuate national seurity threats of Trump.


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    Maybe a "dumb southerner" (none / 0) (#84)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 06:31:27 PM EST
    Maybe Wilbur.  Who's past their prime now b!tch?

    Part of the fun is the sheer number of plausible possibilities.

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    Oh, boy (none / 0) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 10:00:04 PM EST
    I have to say I have been having a great time with the Trumpers here in GA telling them that Trump thinks they are mentally retarded.

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    Lord Lord Quit!!!! (none / 0) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 10:24:21 PM EST
    I moved too soon!

    Nah! I didn't.

    They couldn't hear it from me. You though, different story. Only the South can really call the South out. Everything I would have to say to them would have been an act of naked aggression.

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    Coates (none / 0) (#93)
    by FlJoe on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 10:26:33 PM EST
    does make a lot of sense,

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    I have it on good authority... (none / 0) (#89)
    by desertswine on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 08:56:12 PM EST
    that the writer of this op-ed is none other than the mysterious John Barron.  It's a plea for help.

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    Just saw Bob Corker (none / 0) (#82)
    by CaptHowdy on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 05:48:11 PM EST
    Say basically 'there is no news here.  We have known this from day one'

    Which is stunning.  Really.  Corker, you are the chairman of a important committee.  What the hell have you done about this other than quip and roll your freakin eyes.

    I don't see how the Senate and house continue to ignore this

    If they do both will be blue in January.

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    The latest ABC / WaPo poll ... (none / 0) (#86)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Sep 05, 2018 at 08:25:44 PM EST
    ... has Democrats up 14 points over Republicans on the generic party preference question for control of Congress. Even Rep. Devin Nunes is in political trouble in California's Central Valley. People are becoming increasingly exasperated by the bad Kabuki that's onstage in D.C.

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    HEREDITARY (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 02:07:53 PM EST
    This is running on PPV.  SO good.  Genuinely seriously creepy movie.  It never goes where you expect it it go.  So rare.

    At one point in "Hereditary," Ari Aster's highly effective new horror movie, a character screams "Get out!" It's not yet clear what she means -- or who, exactly, she's addressing -- but the line is both a pretty good jolt and a clever meta-joke.

    Invoking the title of the movie that set a new standard for commercial success, cultural prestige and societal relevance in an often-underestimated genre may be a way of acknowledging the raised expectations of the audience. What "Hereditary" shares with "Get Out" -- apart from a house full of white people behaving strangely -- is an ambitious energy, a sense that the creaky old machinery of horror can be adapted to new and exciting uses.

    NYTimes review

    Note to future horror movie participants - Ann Dowd NEVER shows up by accident.

    Burt Reynolds passed away today (none / 0) (#104)
    by McBain on Thu Sep 06, 2018 at 04:21:13 PM EST
    I thought Deliverance was his best film.  So did he according to this article.
    Reynolds was 82

    No one has anything to say about Burt? (none / 0) (#114)
    by McBain on Fri Sep 07, 2018 at 09:16:32 PM EST
    He was an icon of the 70s.  Played football at Florida State. Had one of the great mustaches of all time.  

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    IMHO, Burt Reynolds was an exercise ... (5.00 / 2) (#122)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 10:07:49 AM EST
    ... in unrealized potential. Even he admitted that he never really challenged himself as an actor and all too often, he went for the quick and easy payday.

    Given his screen presence and self-deprecating wit, Reynolds showed a real flair for light comedy in the TV sitcom "Evening Shade," for which he won a prime-time Emmy Award, and films such as Alan Pakula's "Starting Over."

    And he displayed some serious acting chops as the uber-macho but superficial Lewis Medlock in John Boorman's "Deliverance," and then 25 years later as the self-absorbed and emotionally detached adult film director Jack Horner in Paul T. Anderson's "Boogie Nights," for which he earned his only Academy Award nomination in 1997 as best supporting actor.

    (Ironically, Reynolds never cared for either "Boogie Nights" or its director, which was too bad since the film really showcased his talent to great effect. Indeed, his constant bad-mouthing of both perhaps cost him the Oscar outright, which went instead to Robin Williams for "Good Will Hunting.")

    But much of Reynolds' career is defined by a lot of pleasant but mostly forgettable films such as "Hooper," "City Heat," "Smokey and the Bandit," "The Cannonball Run" and their sequels, which may have been big box office at the time, but soon quickly faded away into the vague recesses of the audience's memory banks.

    Burt Reynolds was a charismatic and very likeable movie star but he could've been so much more, had he not been so interested in indulging his own hedonistic penchant for pursuing a good time.

    Aloha.

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    He may have considered life as so much less (none / 0) (#157)
    by CoralGables on Tue Sep 11, 2018 at 09:48:23 PM EST
    had he not pursued a good time.

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    High-Five! (none / 0) (#158)
    by linea on Tue Sep 11, 2018 at 10:40:51 PM EST

    His `pleasant but mostly forgettable films' are actually part of Americana. It was as important for me to watch Smokey and the Bandit as Dr Strangelove or The African Queen to understand conversational references. Yes, my `rents actually sat me down to watch these films.

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    Twitchy Mike Allen (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 07, 2018 at 08:24:45 AM EST
    Says Trump and Rudy are "daring" Mueller to subpoena and they don't think "he has the stomach for it" or wants to keep it going that long.

    Do you think they know Mueller still has a trial or two to run?  That he's going to be doing this for months anyway.

    I guess it's also possible Mueller has told them Trump is now a target as so won't be subpoenaed

    Mueller may (none / 0) (#110)
    by KeysDan on Fri Sep 07, 2018 at 11:12:51 AM EST
    be bracing the investigation against Trump's public blitzkrieg that he was not given an opportunity to tell his side, as he tried and lied about with Woodward. Mueller has gone the extra mile. And, it is likely does not need to hear from Trump anyhow.

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    I believe they might think (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Sep 07, 2018 at 11:24:00 AM EST
    They have Mueller either way.

    If he does not speak to Trump, they are already saying, it was an incomplete investigation and Trump really really wanted to speak to him but .....

    If he subpoenas him, well have also said very recently, they won't because he doesn't want a fight.

    Uh huh

    We will see

    I've heard several smart guys say in the last couple of days that he must subpoena Trump.  That he in fact can not issue a complete report particularly on obstruction, which is what Rudy said yesterday was a no go - even as written questions, without interviewing Trump.

    We will see.

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    Trump's obstruction of justice has already been a textbook-worthy virtuoso performance. Giuliani, et al., would be committing malpractice if they let Trump appear before a grand jury, or even be deposed in private. The man is utterly incapable of telling the truth, even if it's to save his own a$$.

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    One thing (none / 0) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 07, 2018 at 04:54:13 PM EST
    for certain is that the Woodward book shows that Trump is incapable of sitting for an interview without lying.

    I really cannot blame Trump's lawyers for leaving after reading about their mock interview with him.

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    Help me remember. Did Ken Starr offer (none / 0) (#115)
    by Peter G on Sat Sep 08, 2018 at 01:32:25 PM EST
    President Clinton a preview of his Report (you know, the one written in part by Brett Kavanaugh), so that the White House legal staff (or the President's personal lawyers, for that matter) could draft and append a rebuttal when it was released? Did Kavanaugh recommend that Starr do so?

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    SWEDEN ELECTIONS (none / 0) (#119)
    by linea on Sat Sep 08, 2018 at 11:44:46 PM EST
    Saturday predictions based on a compilation of several major opinion polls.

    Issues in this election include:

    • Making the taxes on pensions the same as payroll taxes.

    • Triple the RUT tax.

    • Subsidize dental care the same as health care.

    • Increase retirement age from 61 to 63.

    • Criminalize all forms of support for terrorism.

    • Introduce a meat tax. Levy an airline ticket fee for the environment. Increase the petrol tax.

    • Fund and build two high-speed train routes.

    • Have the National government manage schools eliminating local school board control. A related issue is to tighten government oversight of `faith schools' and cap the number.

    • Introduce a 70% wage category for new immigrants and young people entering the workforce (30% of time at work to be spent on education and workplace training).

    • Eliminate the government employment agency.

    • Companies operating in public service should be banned from making profits or have their profits restricted.

    I support the dental care proposal and support restricting profits for companies operating in public service. This refers to companies operating under government license or contract in areas such as elder-care.

    Vote Update (none / 0) (#132)
    by linea on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 03:51:19 PM EST
    3/4 of results counted in Sweden

    Center-Left Coalition 40,6
    Center-Right Coalition 40,2
    Swedish Democrats 17,7


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    Another Update (none / 0) (#138)
    by linea on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 05:52:55 PM EST
    Same twitter feed:
    Sweden's ruling centre-left leading centre-right by 144 seats to 143 with 99% of districts counted - unbelievably close. Sweden Democrats with 62 seats in 3rd.


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    "Sweden Democrats" are in fact (none / 0) (#150)
    by Peter G on Mon Sep 10, 2018 at 10:34:46 PM EST
    the ultra-right nationalists, am I correct, not actually "democrats" of any sort?

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    That would be an exaggeration (none / 0) (#156)
    by linea on Tue Sep 11, 2018 at 07:42:00 PM EST
    The Christian Democrats are considered equivalent to the US Democratic Party and is part of the center-right coaliition along with the Moderate Party, Centre Party, and Liberal Party.

    The Sweden Democrats are a law-and-order party that wants additional legislation on migration and integration. For the most part, it has the same platform on the major issues as the center-right. The major areas where they differ from the center-right is a stronger opposition to migration and calling for a referendum on EU membership (like the UKs Brexit referendum).

    The Social Democrats are the `Social Democratic Workers Party' and is more progressive and has been the largest party in the Riksdag for more than 100 years. They are part of the center-left coalition. However, there is wide political support among all the major parties for retaining the post 2015 legislation restricting the number of asylum seekers, ensuring persons denied asylum leave the country, and mandating Swedish classes for migrants.

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    THE DEUCE (none / 0) (#136)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 05:24:35 PM EST
    Season 2

    Tonight


    EXISTENTIAL TERROR (none / 0) (#139)
    by CaptHowdy on Sun Sep 09, 2018 at 06:02:03 PM EST
    Now that I have your attention....

    I heard that term today in pundit land and wanted to know more.  I found this

    A Brief History of Existential Terror

    It has several LOL charts with names like "The Dose Response Curve and Existential Terror"

    Oddly I read Victor Frankls book Mans Search for Meaning when I was very young.  Really, maybe a junior in HS.  I can't remember why I would have.  Maybe the suggestion of a teacher.  It made an impression.

    Anyway, as we find ourselves sliding from BOREDOM to ANXIETY in our public life....

    Good guy(gal) with a gun (none / 0) (#143)
    by Chuck0 on Mon Sep 10, 2018 at 08:52:45 AM EST
    kills good guy without a gun. Off duty Dallas enters wrong apt. Kills legal resident of apt. Story at DMN. OK McBain, go, let's hear the justications for this one. The cop has been charged with manslaughter.

    Why Chuck? (none / 0) (#144)
    by McBain on Mon Sep 10, 2018 at 09:27:35 AM EST
    So you can throw some insults?  

    At first glance, this looks very bad for the officer's chances of being able to justify the shooting.  But that's all it is so far, a first glance.  Guess what... I'm going to wait for more information.

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    I wish more people... (5.00 / 6) (#145)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 10, 2018 at 11:57:13 AM EST
    waited for more information before putting bullets in people.

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    No kidding (none / 0) (#146)
    by CaptHowdy on Mon Sep 10, 2018 at 12:16:08 PM EST
    Why are you here

    I live here

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    I've got.. (none / 0) (#147)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 10, 2018 at 02:16:34 PM EST
    Something something about the officer justifiably fearing for his life after suddenly finding himself in a strange place and being confronted by a person acting in a threatening manner.

    Lets go with that.

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    Female officer (none / 0) (#148)
    by McBain on Mon Sep 10, 2018 at 09:40:50 PM EST
    We can at least get that part right

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    My best guess (none / 0) (#149)
    by linea on Mon Sep 10, 2018 at 10:06:38 PM EST
    My guess (or speculation) is that the off-duty police officer had several drinks with fellow officers post-shift. In my mind, that's the only thing that explains parking on the wrong floor, opening an unlocked door, and entering the wrong apartment. But instead of a reasonable discussion leading to the passing of legislation prohibiting intoxicated off-duty police from carry weapons... it's going to be a Benjamin Crump circus.

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    True story (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by CST on Tue Sep 11, 2018 at 12:36:08 PM EST
    As a junior in college on at least three separate occasions I attempted to enter the apartment directly below mine thinking it was mine.  On none of those occasions was I intoxicated (no really).  Every time it was just the end of a long day and I counted the floors wrong as I went up the stairs.  Every time the same guy opened the door as I struggled with the lock, and I swear he was always shirtless and just getting out of the shower.

    I never shot him though.  Eventually we even sort of became acquaintances over it.

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    Riiiight!!! ;-) (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by vml68 on Tue Sep 11, 2018 at 03:16:29 PM EST
    he was always shirtless and just getting out of the shower.


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    I think they're doing alcohol/drug tests (none / 0) (#151)
    by McBain on Mon Sep 10, 2018 at 10:58:01 PM EST
    so we'll know more about that. I don't think the law of self defense works well when you're in someone else's home uninvited. Whatever the case it's a tragedy.  

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    Police do not rely on "self-defense" (none / 0) (#152)
    by Peter G on Mon Sep 10, 2018 at 11:20:18 PM EST
    when they invoke a justification defense. There is a separate justification for the use of deadly force for the purpose of law enforcement. The criteria are somewhat similar, but not the same.

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    What about when off duty, Peter? (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by McBain on Tue Sep 11, 2018 at 12:00:24 PM EST
    I don't think the question is whether the officer (none / 0) (#160)
    by Peter G on Wed Sep 12, 2018 at 11:16:45 PM EST
    was "on duty," but rather whether she was purporting to exercise her authority. Such as by issuing "verbal commands" (presumably after identifying her claimed of authority) that the civilian is expected to comply with. That's why they are trained to say, "Police. Open the door." or "Police. Drop that weapon." or "Police. Turn around and keep your hands in view."

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    Define "a Benjamin Crump circus" (none / 0) (#159)
    by Yman on Wed Sep 12, 2018 at 10:34:50 PM EST
    You know ... from the perspective of someone who dismissed the pervasiveness of racism and the serious danger of white nationalism while pretending that any woman (like this police officer) is a victim.

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