Saturday Night Trump Mocking and Open Thread

The New York Times publishes some of Donald Trump's tax records and says he may have avoided paying taxes for 18 years based on his loss amount for 1995.

Alec Baldwin plays the Thumper tonight on Saturday Night Live. [More...]

As for a third party candidate, Gary Johnson has out-Aleppo'd himself:

Colbert covers Trump and Cuba.

Last word to #Colonel Morris Davis (former Chief Gitmo prosecutor) on Twitter.

Has there ever been a group less qualified to lecture anyone on women, wives and weight than @realDonaldTrump and his fat philanderers club?

It seems like Trump's nose-dive is finally starting. I think he may get the least votes of any presidential candidate in history. Knowing he can't win, what will his game plan be the next month? Probably attacking Hillary and telling lies about her. While he isn't dumb enough to think it will make people vote for him, he is may delude himself into thinking his insults will cause enough doubt to make people stay home altogether, which will reduce the size of his loss. Fat chance, Mr. Fat Shamer.

How do his children and son in law not cringe when they think about him? They read and watch the media coverage. They see his antics. How do they not fear for their future as he reduces his brand to a rubble? The only place his merchandise will sell after this campaign is on E-Bay, as a Halloween costume or party joke.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Just watched the Amanda Knox documentary (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by McBain on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 12:09:51 AM EST
    Not bad but I was expecting something bigger.... more in depth.  They didn't talk at all about the prosecutor's background, his obsession with sex cult killings.  

    One thing it hammers home, don't talk to the police without a lawyer.

    I thought it was well done for someone (none / 0) (#29)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 11:56:56 AM EST
    at my level of interest who did not follow it much at all in real-time. It was all the detail I needed, and I liked that thy had recent interviews.

    I always hate the technique of using someone's reactions to a crimes as evidence against them, as if everyone can be expected to react in a  particular way. She was 20. And Kercher was someone she had only known for a few weeks, not a good friend, as the police and all the reports made it out to be at the time.

    And that reporter....ugh, what a perfect example of the tabloid breed, no care at all for what is true, just what will sell.


    Exactly (none / 0) (#32)
    by McBain on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 01:53:10 PM EST
    the "didn't behave right" prosecution is terrible.  Pisa the reporter came across poorly but at least he seemed honest.... didn't pretend like he was doing something noble.

    Too bad the Kercher family still believes nonsense.


    My wife was worried (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 12:47:14 AM EST
    ...about the election.  I was not.

    We have a complete incompetent running against a well-oiled and connected political machine and a candidate who could spot him the first three moves and still beat him at tic-tac-toe.

    You win the game in the fourth quarter, and we are about mid-third quarter right now.  Trump has projected one of his own weaknesses on Hillary, saying she doesn't have the stamina.

    Au contraire.  She smells blood and her actual advantages are becoming dominant.  Trump is the guy who doesn't want the ball late in the game, and Hillary is the kind who wants it.

    She had more stamina in the debate, and she has more for the trail.  Trump's wheels are going to come off, because he is not in Hillary's league as a campaigner.

    When it comes to oppo research, we have been bathed in it regarding Hillary for 25 years.   Trump has so many flaws that Hillary's team is probably planning how to showcase one every news cycle.

    Trump threatened that he was about to take the gloves off.  For Hillary the gloves have always been off, is that all you got?  

    The GOP is punched out, they have already thrown everything there is against Hillary and she's still laughing.  Trump is still target rich territory, as he is about to find out.

    Punched out (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by MKS on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 09:42:25 AM EST
    Watching the debate reminded me of the "Rumble in the Jungle" and Ali's "rope a dope."

    The one difference:  George Forman, in spite of his humiliating defeat, was a class act.


    What strikes me (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by BackFromOhio on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 02:13:52 PM EST
    is that since the first debate, the media, for once, is commenting daily on the latest disclosures about DT.  No need for the Dem campaign to do much, just at the Repub candidate's campaign has not needed to point out any of the 'news' reports on the Dem candidate.

    Like your wife, I too was worried about (none / 0) (#38)
    by vml68 on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 04:36:39 PM EST
    the election. This country elected Dubya TWICE!, so I was not as sanguine as you about Hillary's victory. I will admit, I have been breathing easier since the debate.

    All of us that lived through the 90s (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 04:43:07 PM EST
    had good cause to be worried...Hillary Clinton is going to be president? Tell that to your 1998 self and wait for the hysterical laughter.

    I think I am confident mainly because of the demographic issues that the GOP is simply ignoring. You cannot win an election with only white people.  Just cannot be done anymore. GOP would have had a good shot with nearly any of the other 15 candidates they had available, but the angry white men wanted one last shot at it.



    Alec Baldwin nailed it! (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 07:26:32 AM EST
    TRUMP: "My microphone is broken. She broke it with Obama. She and Obama stole my microphone. They took my microphone to Kenya and they broke it, and now it's broken."


    TRUMP: "I have the best judgment and The. Best. Temperament. She's the one with the bad temperament. She's always screaming, she's constantly lying, her hair is crazy, her face is completely orange except around the eyes where its white, and when she stops talking, her mouth looks like a tiny. Little. Butthole."

    HOLT: "Secretary Clinton, you have two minutes to respond."

    CLINTON: (Bemused.) "Oh, uh, that's okay, he can have mine, too."

    LOL! LINK.

    He really was good (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 11:59:50 AM EST
    Someone said he prepared more for that 10 minute sketch than Trump pepared for the debate, and I think that is probably true.

    There are very few actors ... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 08:33:08 PM EST
    ... who can ham it up as shamelessly as Alec Baldwin, and get away with it. It has to be difficult to parody someone who's often his own best parody, but Baldwin's over-the-top cover of the already over-the-top Trump was simply exquisite comedy, and certainly comparable to Tina Fey's always hilarious take on Sarah Palin.

    In The Departed, (none / 0) (#52)
    by MKS on Tue Oct 04, 2016 at 10:33:18 AM EST
    Alec Baldwin plays a police captain looking for a mole in a supporting role.   Generally a dramatic movie, Baldwin out of nowhere delivers the funniest line.   When I watched it in the theater, I involuntarily and spontaneously laughed out loud, and looked around to see if anyone was offended at my outburst.  It wasn't a comedy but he sure got off a good funny.



    RIP, Oscar Brand 1920-2016 (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by Peter G on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 05:43:32 PM EST
    Folk musician, song-saver, radio legend. And lyricist for "On Top of Spaghetti." My father ran errands for him (while working as a writer) on WYNC in 1947-1948. One of his jobs was finding Woody Guthrie and Lead Belly in whatever lower Manhattan bar they were hanging out in, and getting them into the studio.

    To be fair (as I always try to be) (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Peter G on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 02:12:04 PM EST
    Jim is in the right on nearly all of these points (no pun intended). In particular, folks should try harder to refrain from directing personal insults at him, particularly when he is on probation for the same violation of Blog rules. (There is no evidence that I know of, however, that the pages of state tax returns that were leaked to The Times can be described as "stolen.") I think it is pretty darn clear, however, that the First Amendment protects The Times from punishment for publishing the documents that were leaked to its reporter.

    For Kdog and other third party voters in (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by vml68 on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 04:44:39 PM EST
    safe states who don't want to "sell their souls" by voting for Clinton, I hope this article will make you reconsider. LINK

    The nightmare scenario is that this turns into a runaway free-rider problem. If too many people assume Clinton has the election locked down, and use that assumption as their basis for not voting for her, she could lose. But even if the assumption is right--even if you're a young progressive from California who believes with excellent reason that your vote won't possibly be decisive--the Tribune's line of thinking comes at a hefty price. This year the "lesser of two evils" rationale isn't just an uninspiring appeal to risk aversion. It's about making a positive and important statement to the world that in America, a racist authoritarian can not get within a hair's breadth of the presidency--and that, if one happens to become a major party nominee, he will be defeated soundly.

    It's not buying/selling soul... (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 05:13:41 PM EST
    it's listening to it.

    I will say it's not an easy call...vote your conscience, vote Clinton, roam the neighborhood dressed like a clown...who the f#ck knows anymore.


    Mr K, I really hope your conscience tells (none / 0) (#44)
    by vml68 on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 05:43:06 PM EST
    you that trouncing Tr*mp is important so we can send a message to any other *@#^! who in the future thinks that this might be a possible path to victory, that he needs to fuggedaboutit.

    Plus, the thought of Tr*mp losing the popular vote by a landslide in NY in particular, makes me delirious :-)!


    Said it before, and will say it again: (none / 0) (#48)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 08:22:22 PM EST
    Perfect is the enemy of the good.

    What does it say about people who'd vote ... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 05:26:24 PM EST
    ... for a man who's so detached from world affairs that he'd mistake Aleppo for one of the Marx Brothers, or for a physician who openly and hypocritically trolls for votes amongst the anti-vaccine crowd?

    Those persons who are far more concerned about their self-maintenance of their own political purity at all costs, than in preventing the election of a dangerously divisive demagogue to the presidency, are proving to the rest of us that there really is no "us" in them.

    Loud and opinionated as they may be, they eschew personal responsibility as citizens, expect others to do the heavy lifting for them, and look forward to telling the rest of us that they told us so, regardless of the potential cost to the country.

    Party-building entails a lot of grunt work at ground level. Libertarian and Green Party members need to build credibility by getting involved in issues affecting their local communities, and stop subordinating themselves to self-absorbed candidates who appear more interested in flattering their own egos, than in actually selling the party platform to an otherwise open-minded electorate.



    Open minded electorate? (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2016 at 10:25:02 AM EST
    You're funny.

    What does it say about people who would vote for a woman who would say "Can't we just drone this guy?" in reference to Assange?

    Who would see Ed Snowden imprisoned for life?

    Who would sign off on the Bush Administrations war in Iraq, or turn their back on concessions from Gaddafi in favor of chaos and war in Libya, or will get us more entangled in the Syrian Civil War?

    If you think the choice is simple, you are oversimplifying.


    Come on, kdog (none / 0) (#60)
    by jbindc on Thu Oct 06, 2016 at 08:40:40 AM EST
    This year we not only have (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 06:34:43 PM EST
    a massively inept major party candidate. We have massively inept third party candidates. Maybe the only reason we know they are inept this year is because they've actually gotten media attention.

    And in non-political news, ... (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 08:18:37 PM EST
    ... I'd be remiss as a lifetime L.A. Dodgers fan, if I didn't note that yesterday's season-ending contest against the archrival Giants in San Francisco marked the final time that the great Vin Scully would call a Dodgers game from the broadcast booth, as he's done for the past 67 years in both Brooklyn and Los Angeles.

    And in a not-unexpected but still very classy move, the Giants stopped the game in the middle of the 4th inning to honor the man and the occasion, mounting this commemorative plaque on the wall in the visitors' broadcast booth at AT&T Park, as Giants fans gave Scully a long standing ovation.

    It will be more than a little strange -- at least for a little while -- to not hear Scully behind the mic for the Dodgers next season, but as he noted late in yesterday's game, "Don't be sad that it's over; smile because it happened."

    Aloha, Vin Scully. Enjoy your retirement.

    Score one for criminal defense attorneys. (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Tue Oct 04, 2016 at 09:06:41 AM EST
    California Gov. Jerry Brown has signed into law a bill which subjects prosecutors to felony charges themselves and three years of imprisonment, should they withhold potentially exculpatory evidence from the defense in criminal proceedings or otherwise tamper with evidence in order to gain a conviction at trial.

    Wow, that is a major deal. (none / 0) (#54)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 04, 2016 at 11:23:41 AM EST
    Will have to read more about it later.

    In my recent obsessive true crime podcast listening I heard about one case that did a lot to make me think CA is a state that is on the right track with this issue. There was a case back in 1979 where a man was convicted of murdering his wife, in a pretty strong circumstantial case. Long story short, years later he was cleared by DNA and a confession by the real killer, and California let him go 2 days later - did not make him go through further court proceedings as other states do where the prosecutors dig in even in the face of clear evidence. I think probably the fact that there seemed to be no misconduct of the part of the persecutor helped.


    I like it when the old Moonbeam... (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 04, 2016 at 11:38:35 AM EST
    comes out of storage.

    Me too! (none / 0) (#56)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 04, 2016 at 03:13:06 PM EST
    Helps that he has been a straight shooter on 'law and order' as far as I can tell. So I trust his judgement on this.

    As a criminal defense attorney (none / 0) (#57)
    by Peter G on Tue Oct 04, 2016 at 03:57:18 PM EST
    I am skeptical of creating a new crime and threatening punishment as the solution to a social problem. Different training and leadership for prosecutors, backed with a threat of professional disciplinary sanctions (up to and including loss of license), is more the direction I would go.

    Actually his microphone was broken (none / 0) (#4)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 08:56:38 AM EST
    And yet again his troops have been given reasons to be stirred up over what may have been another media dirty trick.

    Right or wrong they are asking the question.

    An expected audience of 100 million and highly talented technicians let a damaged mike slip by??


    And the producers/directors who had to hear the problems didn't step in and say, "Sorry. But we have a technical problem with Mr. Trump's microphone. We'll have a new one in a few moments."

    But, but... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 11:09:15 AM EST
    And yet again his troops have been given reasons to be stirred up over what may have been another media dirty trick.

    The faulty microphone was the P.A. mic for the audience, presumably the one in front of him.  Trump, like anyone else who has ever appeared in a film or on TV, was hooked up to a wireless lapel mic and battery pack, which easily picked up every snort and sniffle.  Was there any time when he said something and you didn't hear it?

    The disadvantage for Trump here was that while he could move away from the podium mic while he snuffled, so the live audience couldn't hear him, the lapel mic is always in the same proximity and picks up everything.

    The outline of Clinton's microphone battery pack, identical to the ones I have worn when appearing in videos, can be seen in photographs outlined under the back of her jacket.  This of course led to conspiracy theories that she was hooked up to a transmitter that made Trump look and sound stupid.

    For a guy who has been on TV for decades, you would think Trump knew about wireless lapel mics.


    The word is that the microphone was bad. (none / 0) (#19)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 05:05:51 PM EST
    Jim, this horse is dead (none / 0) (#20)
    by Repack Rider on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 05:08:07 PM EST
    The word is that the microphone was bad.

    Asked and answered.  What did Mr. Trump say that the nation missed?


    Malfunction Mic in the hall only (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by ding7777 on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 12:19:35 PM EST
    Those 2000 people in the hall did not hear his constant "sniffling" whereas the other 81 million people heard it loud and clear

    BTW, the  commemorative ticket had Hillary's name
    misspelled - what a dirty trick!


    "May have" - heh (none / 0) (#10)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 10:16:19 AM EST
    Do people actually believe that adding that qualifier makes their baseless conspiracy theories sound more credible?  Or phrasing their accusations in the form of "questions"?

    At least it was just the mic (none / 0) (#13)
    by Amiss on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 12:28:07 PM EST
    at Hofstra. That's what I hear, anyway. He probably broke it to make the techs look bad, instead of him.

    You have gone from (none / 0) (#18)
    by Chuck0 on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 04:40:55 PM EST
    Reprehensible to just sad.

    And no one in the hall, including Trump's (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 12:02:52 PM EST
    own children, stood up and said anything like, hey wait, we can't hear Trump? What exactly was the nature of this malfunction?  And why did he note care enough about the debate to test all the equipment beforehand? Did he skip the soundcheck?

    If Vin Scully's mic had been broken (none / 0) (#53)
    by FreakyBeaky on Tue Oct 04, 2016 at 11:01:47 AM EST
    That would have been a problem.

    Trump's problem was that actually his mic worked.


    Because she has more imporatant things ... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 10:11:30 AM EST
    ... to deal with than pushing the per causes of the wingnuts.  More importantly, it's not up to her to dictate to the players what they must do.  They will decide for themselves whether they will go, or if they will participate in the boycott and not attend.

    Jim, you just came out (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 02:32:44 PM EST
    of timeout and insulted someone right off the bat. You promised you would be on good behavior. You will have to leave permanently if you keep it up. Don't respond to baits. Either discuss the issue or move along. All of you.

    Okay (none / 0) (#22)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 05:15:40 PM EST
    I will try harder.

    Maybe you should try harder (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by jondee on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 07:51:16 PM EST
    to communicate an original thought, rather than just being a conduit for the Breitbart-Geller commode.

    It's that kind of thinking that led to the mess (none / 0) (#26)
    by McBain on Sun Oct 02, 2016 at 11:14:43 PM EST
    in the first place.  So she was a goofy, free spirited young woman.... big deal.  Anyone with common sense who took the time to look at the facts realized it was extremely unlikely for her to be involved in the murder.

    We aren't the only country that loves to rush to judgement.    

    Eichenwald breaks another story (none / 0) (#34)
    by BackFromOhio on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 03:12:22 PM EST
    Trump in 2008/2009 uses building materials from China rather than buying in the U.S.

    ha! Wonder if Trump has told his (none / 0) (#35)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 03:32:11 PM EST
    blue collar supporters that if they want their jobs back they will have to work for $3.00 per hour or business geniuses like him won't hire them?

    Trump likes people who (none / 0) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 04:25:58 PM EST
    were not captured, and that is why he doesn't think McCain is a war hero.  And, now, in an attempt to woo Veterans, again, he has suggested that victims of PTSD and combat-related suicides are not "strong," and not "being able to handle it."  He likes them strong,. This was, apparently, in response to attempts to de-stigmatize mental health.

    Well that ought to just about finish him (none / 0) (#37)
    by ruffian on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 04:35:49 PM EST
    But I have said that before.

    Hey Donald, I like businessmen that don't lose a billion dollars.


    It takes a special kind of genius ... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 04:42:20 PM EST
    ... to lose a billion dollars in the casino business.

    Yes, and we need to (none / 0) (#45)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 03, 2016 at 05:47:20 PM EST
    add:   .....in one year.

    as Stephen Colbert said (none / 0) (#59)
    by ding7777 on Tue Oct 04, 2016 at 06:44:21 PM EST
    re casinos.... the house always loses

    how do you know (none / 0) (#58)
    by ding7777 on Tue Oct 04, 2016 at 06:41:43 PM EST
    "that someone broke the law by stealing the returns"
    if you don't know who mailed them to the Times?

    Marla could have mailed them (or given them to someone to mail for her).