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    Going to be an interesting election (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:27:37 PM EST
    In two years that is

    Rand Paul WSJ OpEd

    Those wanting a U.S. war in Syria could not clearly show a U.S. national interest then, and they have been proven foolish now. A more realistic foreign policy would recognize that there are evil people and tyrannical regimes in this world, but also that America cannot police or solve every problem across the globe. Only after recognizing the practical limits of our foreign policy can we pursue policies that are in the best interest of the U.S.

    The Islamic State represents a threat that should be taken seriously. But we should also recall how recent foreign-policy decisions have helped these extremists so that we don't make the same mistake of potentially aiding our enemies again.

    DNC Response

    "It's disappointing that Rand Paul, as a Senator and a potential presidential candidate, blames America for all the problems in the world, while offering reckless ideas that would only alienate us from the global community.

    "Unfortunately, this is nothing new for Paul. Last week he criticized American policy to the president of another country on foreign soil. This week he's blaming the Obama Administration for another nation's civil war. That type of "blame America" rhetoric may win Paul accolades at a conference of isolationists but it does nothing to improve our standing in the world. In fact, Paul's proposals would make America less safe and less secure.

    "Simply put, if Rand Paul had a foreign policy slogan, it would be - The Rand Paul Doctrine:  Blame America. Retreat from the World."

    Greenwald

    Look at how the DNC is attacking Rand Paul's foreign policy - *exactly how Jeanne Kirkpatrick attacked The Left


    Wow, no wonder I'm in a horrible mood (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:30:51 PM EST
    We have hit one of those inside out upside down cycles :). Something's in retrograde!!!

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    Seriously (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:51:52 PM EST
    If It's Paul Vs Hillary it could shuffle the board in some interesting ways.  I know many think republicans will never nominate him because views expressed in that OpEd.

    Ask yourself this -

    How much do you think they want to beat Hillary?

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    A dull moment won't be possible (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:56:22 PM EST
    Now if I can just get my mind around it.

    If the Repukes go that route, then as Joshua jests, "Jesus take the wheel :)"

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    And the joker in the deck... (5.00 / 2) (#148)
    by unitron on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:28:22 PM EST
    ...to shuffle the metaphor a little, could be if Bernie Sanders gets into the 2016 primaries as a Democrat, as some are currently speculating he might do.

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    that would be something to see (none / 0) (#160)
    by sj on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:42:42 PM EST
    The Democrats would let him? (none / 0) (#168)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:54:41 PM EST
    I know he caucuses with them, but he's not a Democrat.

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    I suspect that he could just re-declare (5.00 / 2) (#170)
    by magster on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 02:11:04 PM EST
    as a Dem, and then run. I really hope he doesn't go Nader. He won't win, but he can definitely shape the debates as the conscience of the Democratic party.

    He's 72 years old so he could also make Hillary look young.

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    That's what I've heard, too (5.00 / 1) (#188)
    by sj on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:22:24 PM EST
    That Sanders was considering re-declaring as a Democrat for the purposes of having a voice during the primaries.

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    It certainly could... (none / 0) (#134)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 12:37:10 PM EST
    I would predict the largest number of party members crossing party lines since Reagan Democrats.  You could have neo-cons and moderate Repubs voting Clinton, and anti-war anti-authoritarian Dems voting Paul.

    It would be interesting, in a horse race sense, to watch.  But I just can't see Paul surviving the Republican primaries.

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    The Audacity of Taupe (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:10:34 PM EST
    -----I can't decide if this is funny or sad.  But I admit I chuckled

    Obama vows to defeat whoever made him wear this suit.
    3:13 PM - 28 Aug 2014

    Obama's tan suit is a signal. We just need to figure out what he's trying to tell us
    3:17 PM - 28 Aug 2014

    This suit is the boldest thing Obama's done in months.
    3:10 PM - 28 Aug 2014

    Over 1,000 tweets about Obama's suit, passes House lawsuit against White House for most "Obama suit" tweets in a day
    3:18 PM - 28 Aug 2014

    `Yes, we tan'

    "Taupe and change,"

    "When your suit is the main attraction and everyone forgets you're even talking..."

    ----then there was the peanut gallery

    "What kind of president wears taupe?" said Speaker John Boehner (R-OH). "He should be wearing a blue suit with a white shirt and a red tie... every time. This is America after all. Why does he make visible his hatred for the greatest nation on earth."

    Senator John McCain (R-AZ) said, "It's an atrocity is what it is. Taupe? On our leader? It makes him look weak and feckless. As though he would just allow anyone to walk all over us. Putin would never wear Taupe."

    "I would never wear a taupe suit there," said Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX). "I would never wear it anywhere. I would not wear it on that stage. I would not wear it at any age. I would never wear a suit so informal. His hatred for our nation isn't normal."

    "I liked his suit," said Sarah Palin. "I liked it better on my daughters Ken doll from the 90s, but he pulled it off. Hahaha... gosh darnit."

    I wanna see... (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by unitron on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:31:45 PM EST
    ...Obama wear a blue stripe seersucker Matlock suit, just for the splodey heads.

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    Me too (none / 0) (#197)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 04:08:36 PM EST
    Rev Al was giving him wardrobe advise yesterday.  Possibly only only person it is less advisable to take that advise from than me.  You should have seen his fashion pics.  Hilarious.  Bright red to knee length seersucker.

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    It's funny. (none / 0) (#79)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:22:29 AM EST
    Assuming it is the Onion? Even Boehner can't be that ridiculous.

    I have to admit I noticed the suit in my brief glance at the presser photo in the morning paper. I liked it though - summery!

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    Not the onion (none / 0) (#81)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:35:06 AM EST
    He said it.  Hopefully he was joking.  

    All real quotes and tweets.  See, sad or funny?

    I was ok with the suit but there is a reason I am not usually for fashion advise.

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    Tweet Not Obama's (none / 0) (#98)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:58:34 AM EST
    "That suit is terrible," tweeted Slate writer Jamelle Bouie, in one of the more restrained negative responses.

    OK, here's one more: "Obama vows to defeat whoever made him wear this suit," tweeted The New York Times's Josh Barro.

    Tan suits aren't that bad. What's been lost in a lot of the Twitter uproar is that they used to be standard Washington summer wear for men. K Street at lunch hour used to be a sea of khaki, with an occasional greenish-tan variation.

    CSM

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    Barro quote (none / 0) (#102)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:06:09 AM EST
    Second on the list.

    As I said, funny or sad.

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    Nope (none / 0) (#104)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:06:55 AM EST
    First on the list

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    Usually Women Get This Treatment (none / 0) (#107)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:13:16 AM EST
    Or the occasional White man (D) who R's are trying to peg as effeminate.

    Black men in power too?

    Interesting in the CSM photo, the White cameraman is wearing beige as well..

    Wonder if he is getting laughed at too....

    Parent

    Perhaps (none / 0) (#109)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:16:25 AM EST
    We should lighten up?

    Doubt O is losing any sleep about it.  Some of it (Palin) was mean spirited, surprise, I don't think most of it was.

    Parent

    Ooooo (none / 0) (#110)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:16:57 AM EST
    Lighten up!

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#121)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:36:23 AM EST
    Unintended, I am sure..

    In any case, I am also sure that this means zero to Obama, he could care less.

    On the other hand I think it is fascinating. Certainly, I would never have taken pause, other than think that Obama looked good, because of the color of his suit.

    And considering that Michelle is such a fashionista, I find the whole "taupe" business strange, and quite interesting.

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    Little Dadler is a month in H.S. (5.00 / 6) (#87)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:51:27 AM EST
    He has to be there at 6:45 a.m. four days a week for concert band. How he is doing it, I have no clue. What a kid. (I mean, they wouldn't make the debate kids show up at that hour to practice their rhetoric, nor the drama kids to rehearse their play, so why musicians -- adolescent musicians who need their sleep more than anyone -- are made to show up at that hour, I am mystified and not very happy. But, like I said, he's getting it done and managing all A's academically so far. Knock on brass. First HS band performance is this weekend at the Millbrae Wine & Art Festival. Now if we can just get his old man back into the game of life. Oy...

    Oh, for Cripe's sake! (5.00 / 5) (#88)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:04:07 AM EST
    What is it with some people that they just gotta brag on their kids?

    Jeez!

    Psst, btw, did I tell you that my son and his wife had the most gorgeous baby boy a couple of months ago? Kid's gonna be a genius, I tell you.
    And my daughter? Wow! She gave me the most gorgeous little girl the world's ever seen. Smart, beautiful, she stood in ALL the lines!

    Now, where was I?

    Not important I guess.


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    Isn't there a Mexican soup... (5.00 / 5) (#92)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:29:27 AM EST
    ...made from cripe?

    ;-)

    Parent

    Too true, D. (5.00 / 3) (#150)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:29:25 PM EST
    Daughter Zorba, involved in drama and choir, didn't have to show up early.  Their practices were after school.  And the athletes don't seem to have to show up early, either.  Their practices were also after classes.
    Maybe it's just Dadler Son's school?  
    In any case, high schools tend to start too early for adolescent physiology.  Making them show up even earlier is totally counter-productive.
    Link.

    PS  How are your back, etc, problems doing, D?  Be well, my friend.  Namaste.

    Parent

    Doing alright (5.00 / 2) (#163)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:47:45 PM EST
    About to start taking it a little less easy. I only get worried now because my probs are so low, I could possible blow it out again and, gasp, lose control of the ol' bladder and bowels. When doc tells me that, which I already knew from research, I just say shut up. Backs are such a crapshoot, much like the brain, just without the "baggage." Well, a different type of baggage anyway. But honestly, I could be doing a lot worse. Every doctor that sees images of it kind of shudders and then asks how I could possible be walking so well and be so limber with that mess I am working with. So I say shut up again, then keep on doing my thing.

    Not much else I can do short of a spinal fusion or some experimental crap that is a bigger dice roll than a fusion.

    Just gotta hang tough for another few decades, then I won't care about the diaper.

    ;-)

    Thanks for the thoughts, and for the Poody toons, I should be commenting and liking again.

    Peace.

    Parent

    possiblY (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:48:48 PM EST
    So weird how I've been making that typo constantly of late.

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    They make them show up early... (none / 0) (#154)
    by unitron on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:35:07 PM EST
    ...because if they did it later in the day they'd have heatstroke deaths.

    Seriously, that's why.

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    Then why not the football players? (none / 0) (#171)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 02:23:18 PM EST
    They wear at least as much stuff as the band members, if not more, and they practice after school.
    Besides, Dadler said concert band, not marching band.
    In most schools that I am aware of, the concert band practices and performs indoors.

    Parent
    I don't think it gets that hot where he lives (none / 0) (#178)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 02:53:58 PM EST
    only a few days a year where it would be a prob in my neck of the woods and I think his temps are like mine, possibly cooler.

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    Be thankful he isn't a swimmer (none / 0) (#161)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:42:52 PM EST
    Their workout is over and they've had breakfast by 6:45.

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    Josh says for no reason last night (5.00 / 2) (#130)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 12:10:51 PM EST
    That if anyone attempted time travel, the earth wouldn't be in the same place in its celestial course.

    I'm kinda shocked, I had never thought about it.  I was always told if time travel were possible we would know, we would have visitors.  So I say that maybe the failures are out there floating around in space, but Josh corrects me.  They would have imploded...unless they burned up re-entering the atmosphere or were smashed unexpectedly impacting the earth.

    Conversations at our house....whew :)

    What kind of... (5.00 / 2) (#133)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 12:31:19 PM EST
    stoner conversations is your family having?  I hope Josh knows he's still too young to try it! ;)

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    Can you imagine what we'd talk about (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:02:07 PM EST
    If we WERE stoned?  


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    Might end world hunger... (none / 0) (#142)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:04:43 PM EST
    and cure cancer!

    Parent
    Obviously Josh has never studied the work of (5.00 / 1) (#159)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:40:15 PM EST
    Dr. Emmett Brown.

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    Someone's been corrupting the youth... (5.00 / 3) (#166)
    by unitron on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:51:23 PM EST
    ...of your house with science fiction.

    Even now he could be in danger of becoming a brilliant scientist when he grows up.

    Parent

    Not "no reason" (5.00 / 2) (#172)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 02:26:30 PM EST
    You have a junior nerd on your hands.
    I know these nerds well.  My family is full of them.
    Think of it this way:  Bill Gates was a nerd, and look how well he did.    ;-)

    Parent
    Just to piss off NYShooter ;-) (5.00 / 2) (#147)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:24:30 PM EST
    You're right, I'm pissed (5.00 / 3) (#179)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 02:54:30 PM EST
    Not with your son; that boy can blow! The whole band was great. Money well spent, no doubt.
    I played trumpet when I was about his age, so, I know a little bit about wind instruments. Surprised they all had such good diaphragm control and endurance.

    Now, your kid; he was fantastic, and, such a looker, too! But, the grapevine says you're an ugly slug, so, it must all come from his mother.....figures.

    Seriously, fist bump, and, high five to you, D.

    p.s.......If you write your address I'll send you a couple of bucks; when was the last time your boy ate? Feed the kid, will ya! No wonder you know all about "cripes."

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    Paging Simpson, Paging Bowles, (5.00 / 3) (#205)
    by KeysDan on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 04:57:43 PM EST
    What should Americans do with their cat food stock?  

    Every year for the past six years in a row, the Congressional Budget Office has reduced its estimate for Medicare expenses.  The latest estimate for federal expenditures for 2019 and that made for 2019 four years ago is less by about $95 billion--a sum greater than what the government is expected to spend that year on unemployment insurance, welfare and Amtrak, combined. While some economists peg the reduction to the recession, the CBO says that plays a negligible part.  Apparently, Obamacare, in particular, has made significant reductions to Medicare spending in hospitals and private plans. And, the Budget Control Act of  2011, also made cuts in spending.  These Acts have influenced  changes in the practice of medicine that have budgetary impacts.

    A revised prediction for the fiscal year by the CBO is $506 billion,  below the $680 billion deficit during the previous fiscal year.  This will be the fifth consecutive year that the deficit has declined as a share of the gross domestic product, from 9.8 percent in 2009 to a project ed 2.9 percent during the current fiscal year.   That is below the average deficit of 3.1 percent of economic output over the last four decades.  

    Simpson/Bowles still have Social Security to misrepresent, so there is still work for them to do. Free economic advice: keep the cat food.  

    It may come down to the cats (5.00 / 1) (#206)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 05:03:48 PM EST


    "Border Crisis" update... (4.83 / 6) (#1)
    by kdog on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:08:55 PM EST
    2,200 immigrant minors have been relocated to Long Island so far, reunited with family.  

    No crisis, negligible impact on social services.   All is well, despite all that white whine.

    White whine :) (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:19:53 PM EST
    I love it! It's just not as good for your heart as other whines are :)

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    A neighboring town... (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:40:35 AM EST
    that just so happens to be a lighter shade of pale than my town was up in arms about a local church offering to house and feed some child refugees.  "Property values" before people...heartbreakingly embarrassing.  

    "We're not against helping people," said Michael Cantwell, of Commack. "Is it the right place, is the question, and most people in the neighborhood and this immediate area don't think so."

    iow, they're not against other people helping other people, they just don't wanna help anybody.  Mighty white of ya Commack!

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    Yeah, in the conservative Bible (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:48:53 AM EST
    It says this:

    But Jesus said, Suffer property owners, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.




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    Hey, I have a mansion up there with many rooms :) (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:44:34 AM EST
    Oddly enough... (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 12:29:26 PM EST
    it's not gold coast, not even close, we ain't talking Upper Brookville or The Hamptons here...I'd  consider Commack a middle class working people neighborhood...you'd expect the nimbyism from the Lifestyles of the Rich & Infamous set, I expected better from Commack.  It's like Arizona up in their town halls!

    Wall St. can knock their property values in half and get their arses laid off, no worries...but god forbid a Guatemalan kid live in the church across the street for a spell!  

    Why oh why are we still falling for the tired kick the dog/divide and conquer scam?  If ya can't fool all the people all the time, you certainly can fool a majority of the people a majority of the time.

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    "On my fathers' plantation (none / 0) (#132)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 12:30:16 PM EST
    doesn't make sense to me (none / 0) (#167)
    by ExcitableBoy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:53:46 PM EST
    That 2,200 new arrivals would have a negligible impact on services. These are overwhelmingly non-
    English speaking children from very poor countries, whose relatives here also belong to a demographically disadvantaged group. Also, as recent arrivals, the costs would just be starting. As for the advocates, what else would you expect them to say?

    I'm not saying they shouldn't be helped, or that the cost isn't worth it; just that it seems counterintuitive, and should be taken with the proverbial grain of salt.

    Parent

    Good News (5.00 / 3) (#169)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 02:02:01 PM EST
    Glad to hear that you guys are finally realizing that we need to raise income tax on the wealthy... let's start with the inheritance tax and earmark it for poor immigrants.

    It would be an honor to those who have made fortunes in America and have no need for the $$ after they are dead. We can call it the Here's to Future Millionaire's tax.

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    squeaky you don't have to wait.......... (2.00 / 1) (#183)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:11:36 PM EST
    be a good egg and write a check to the government..

    I mean, if it is an honor you wouldn't want to miss out would you??

    Parent

    lame (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by sj on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:21:05 PM EST
    A really lame response.

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    Same brilliant advise (5.00 / 2) (#195)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:53:42 PM EST
    he gave Warren Buffett when he said rich people are undertaxed.

    Must be great being so quick-witted.

    Parent

    What?? Telling someone who wants (2.00 / 2) (#204)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 04:20:35 PM EST
    more money for the Feds they don't have to wait is lame??

    Really??

    I just demonstrated the often repeated claim that most people who want higher taxes want them on someone else.

    Parent

    With a large existing immigrant (none / 0) (#182)
    by kdog on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:06:41 PM EST
    community such as LI's, it makes sense. Especially my neighborhood, Brentwood, with the majority being hispanic, mostly Central American. They bust their arse and support themselves and their families, like the vast majority of immigrants. Pay mad taxes too.  There is existing bilingual education framework in place. We could welcome a lot more to little or no ill effect.

    Aside...I wonder if we can file this phenomenon under the war on Christianity tab as well.  Where are the local boys O'Reilly and Hannitty on that angle?

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    On the subject of racial balance (1.00 / 1) (#191)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:27:02 PM EST
    Went to Grandson's football game last night.

    All of the officials were black.

    The players were about 60-40 white black.

    They made a bad call that cost us the game.

    Demonstrations start at 6PM in the parking lot.

    (Yeah, I know it is silly. But try and think before yelling.)

    Only thing I can think of (5.00 / 4) (#202)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 04:13:41 PM EST
    is about you and against the TOU here . . .

    Parent
    So I can put squeaky and Capt down (1.50 / 2) (#198)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 04:09:43 PM EST
    as two people who don't want a serious discussion.

    Which, of course, is this.

    If we cannot trust people of the opposite race, how can we have a country that is "Out of many, one?"

    I think it is obvious that our slavish devotion to diversity has had the opposite effect of what it supposedly meant.

    Parent

    Some cheese with your whine? (5.00 / 5) (#201)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 04:12:31 PM EST
    Poor Kid (none / 0) (#193)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:45:02 PM EST
    My heart goes out to him.

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    Just can't get good help anymore (none / 0) (#196)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 04:05:49 PM EST
    From closed thread (none / 0) (#2)
    by ragebot on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:09:24 PM EST
     Probably no fingerprints on the gun.  But it will be interesting to see.  On the other hand the if Brown did grab the weapon there is a better chance he left some DNA.  There is also a claim that Brown was cut on his right hand and that is explained by his grabbing the weapon while it was being fired.

    link

    I am still looking for a source confirming there was a cut on Brown's hand.  Anyone have such a link, or a link that there was no cut on Brown's hand.

    Not saying I completely trust the link, just that I have not seen reports that there was a cut on Brown's hand until this link and a few others from similar sources.

    Parent

    Too lazy to look for it, (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:16:50 PM EST
    but iirc Baden said Brown's hands did not have injuries.

    Parent
    but iirc (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:57:32 PM EST
    but iirc Baden said Brown's hands did not have injuries.

    except for the gun shot into the palm of his right hand.

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    Yes, except for that. (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:09:46 PM EST
    Ah. Just maybe the gunshot wound (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:18:07 PM EST
    to the hand obliterated the pre-existing abrasion.

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    Wouldn't it have to be a pretty big GS wound? (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:30:19 PM EST
    I mean after all he was a HUGE guy, so he MUST have had HUGE hands!!!! Plus, remember, HE BROKE THE GUY'S EYE!!!! so it would seem he would have extensive damage to his knuckles, along with the cut he got while trying to STEAL the officer's weapon . . .  just sayin'  :P

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    Way too complicated. Meanwhile, the NYT reports (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:54:08 PM EST
    family of a Caucasian victim of an officer-involved shooting is upset the incident is not getting as much attention as Michael Brown's is.

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    There you go, certainly possible. (none / 0) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:24:32 PM EST
    ::head desk:: (none / 0) (#44)
    by sj on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:03:15 PM EST
    Ah. Just maybe the gunshot wound  (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:18:07 PM MDT

    to the hand obliterated the pre-existing abrasion.



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    SUOO (none / 0) (#9)
    by ragebot on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:06:29 PM EST
    I remember that as well but Baden was talking about what seemed to be Brown using his closed fist to strike Wilson from what I remember.

    I have also never seen the report, only the drawing of where the gun shots hit.  Baden did say something about abrasions on Brown's face consistent with falling after the fatal shot.

    Anyone know if the entire report is online anywhere.

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    afaik, the entire Baden report (none / 0) (#26)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:09:27 PM EST
    was the diagram he showed to the press and whatever he and his assistant said about it.

    He was hired by the Brown family to determine the cause of death and whether Brown suffered. afaik, Baden did exactly what he was asked to do, which essentially entailed a visual analysis of the body.

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    Megyn Kelly, Mark Furman = Oy. (5.00 / 4) (#16)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:35:10 PM EST
    you need to find better linkage . . . and sources.

    just sayin'.

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    Did anyone read my post (none / 0) (#157)
    by ragebot on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:39:48 PM EST
    where I asked for a link to the Baden report.  I have seen claims about what is in it, but not the report itself.  True there is a pix of the body and where the gun shot wounds were but not the whole report.

    Parent
    Google. (none / 0) (#162)
    by Angel on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:44:55 PM EST
    How about linking to a copy of the actual autopsy (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by MO Blue on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:50:35 PM EST
    report that states Brown had a cut on his right hand.

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    Phuck this (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:25:27 PM EST
    Another bullet dispatched kid dead for walking while black and I'm back to trying to find nonexistent black youth finger prints on guns again?  Just shoot me now!  Get it over with!  Stop dragging it out with the daily threat!

    I am in a vile mood tonight!  Too much bull$hit.  I've gone Furgeson!

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    here's the thing (2.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CST on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:15:43 PM EST
    about the whole "reached for the gun" issue.  If he did go for the gun - wouldn't that be a further indication to the police officer that he was unarmed?

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    After the overly confrontational (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:48:09 PM EST
    way in which this whole episode started, I don't understand why Brown's "reaching for" or "struggling for" or "attempting to get control of" the gun is assumed to be with the intent to harm the officer, and not with the intent to prevent the cop from shooting him.

    Especially if Johnson is correct that Wilson was saying, "I'm gonna shoot you."  Given all the other bad decisions Wilson had made that served only to escalate the situation, I think Brown had every reason to be afraid, and no reason to think that the cop would not find a reason to use the weapon no matter what Brown did while his head was inside the vehicle.

    There's a lot of talk about self-defense on the part of Wilson, but at what point does Brown fear for his own life at the hands of a cop who's clearly out of control, and have the right to protect himself?

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    No, it would just mean that he (2.00 / 1) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:57:10 PM EST
    wanted to disarm Wilson.

    See how our bias changes things??

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    yay... jimakappj is here...... (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by magster on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:11:30 PM EST
    Boo Hiss!! (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Angel on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:38:20 PM EST
    It looks like (none / 0) (#72)
    by Palli on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 10:26:45 PM EST
    Wilson carries his holster on the right.  In the photos as he stands around looking at Michael's body there is a brown shape on the right (holster, I think) and a black pack on the left'

    If that is correct, it seems improbable that Michael could have reaching for his gun unless the gun was already out of the holster and in Wilson's raised hand.

    We don't know where the gun was at 12:01 when he yelled at the kids. Normally wouldn't a gun be holstered while a cop was driving on a residential street?

    If the gun was shot once from inside the car, when did Wilson first draw or hold the gun with the intent to threaten or shoot?

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    It looks like (none / 0) (#73)
    by Palli on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 10:34:31 PM EST
    Wilson carries his holster on the right.  In the videos of him standing looking at Michael's body there is a brown shape on the right (holster, I think) and a black belt pack on the left.

    If that is correct, it seems improbable that Michael could have reaching for his gun unless the gun was already out of the holster and in Wilson's raised hand.

    Where the gun was at 12:01 when he yelled at the kids. Normally wouldn't a gun be holstered while a cop was cruising on a residential street?

    If the gun was shot once from inside the car, when did Wilson first draw or hold the gun with the intent to threaten or shoot?


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    I posted late in the closed thread .... (none / 0) (#5)
    by magster on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:28:07 PM EST
    that the video texting site Glide.com confirmed time stamp of audio to be right at the time of shooting.

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    Glide Confirmation (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:33:40 PM EST
    Yep and let's put it up for all to see:

    "In this case, the video in question was created at 12:02:14 PM CDT on Saturday, August 9th."

    Wilson encountered the two jaywalkers at 12:01 and was standing over one of them with an emptied smoking gun at 12:03.

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    were not dubbed onto the tape at a different time?

    I know, I know, I'm evil.

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    Ahhh . . . (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:35:19 PM EST
    you must be looking for that second time stamp referring to when the file was 'modified', eh?   :P

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    he'll suss it all out in a jiffy.

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    What a hack. (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:55:05 PM EST
    Yup. I guess you do get what you pay for. (none / 0) (#58)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:34:39 PM EST
    Yes. (none / 0) (#37)
    by magster on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:38:46 PM EST
    Glide has also posted a note on its Web site. In a brief chat with the Erik Wemple Blog, Haas said, "The question we are being asked is is this authentic and the answer is absolutely." Notification to the FBI, said Haas, "is taking place."

    What Glade could not confirm is what your definition of "threat" is.

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    So, I guess that's two of us! (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:40:01 PM EST
    :-)

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    The retired medical examiner hired (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:12:44 PM EST
    by the Brown family would have noted this on his diagram.

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    The retired medical examiner hired (none / 0) (#17)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:39:04 PM EST
    by the Brown family would have noted this on his diagram.

    You're right.

    People may be confusing the gunshot that he marked on the diagram as the result of a bullet into the palm of his hand for a cut from the gun.

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    Cut on hand??? (none / 0) (#13)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:26:45 PM EST
    There is also a claim that Brown was cut on his right hand and that is explained by his grabbing the weapon while it was being fired.

    How would that jive with the ME reporting that there was no GSR on Brown's body -- arms, forearms, hands, wrist, nowhere -- meaning that the gun had to be atleast 2 feet away from him when fired.

    If there was a cut on his hands shouldn't that be noted in his autopsy???

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    The body was at the mortuary and had been (none / 0) (#29)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:12:21 PM EST
    embalmed by the time Baden saw it, are you sure the mortuary had not also cleaned the body?

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    Mortuaries (none / 0) (#45)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:06:13 PM EST
    Mortuaries don't clean bodies before scheduled autopsies.

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    Wuld any self-respecting medical examiner (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:12:56 PM EST
    deem his or her viewing of a previously-autopsied and then embalmed body an "autopsy"?

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    Depends (none / 0) (#67)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:14:37 PM EST
    How much money you got?

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    Turns out Baden was an (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:23:52 PM EST
    "work" as "a preliminary autopsy."

    In that same presser Crump referred to it as "a very preliminary autopsy."

    I've come to believe they both meant: "view the body, scratch some marks on a stick figure diagram, grab a snack, and meet the press."

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    Assuming what Baden performed was technically (none / 0) (#74)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:01:27 PM EST
    an autopsy, I suppose it was subsequent to the autopsy performed by the St. Louis Co. medical examiner but preliminary to the autopsy to be performed by the military pathologist under the auspices of the F.B.I.

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    autopsies?

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    I don't see why they would (none / 0) (#49)
    by nycstray on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:12:58 PM EST
    you don't have to have a body embalmed . . .

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    County, Private, FBI (none / 0) (#50)
    by Uncle Chip on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:20:06 PM EST
    Uh, what does that mean? (none / 0) (#56)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:34:08 PM EST
    Referring to the three different (none / 0) (#59)
    by Peter G on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 08:09:21 PM EST
    autopsies, I believe.

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    Well, I guess that's a start, anyway. (none / 0) (#70)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 10:20:29 PM EST
    Question for sarcastic (none / 0) (#51)
    by Palli on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:25:04 PM EST
    Is Wilson right or left handed?  Same question for Brown.

    Parent
    Another question (none / 0) (#53)
    by Palli on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:29:17 PM EST
    I never heard: When Wilson left sometime between 12:47 and 1:30 how did he leave the scene? In what car? Alone?

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    specifics of the 10-20 seconds of the actual confrontation.

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    Dunno for sure. (none / 0) (#54)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:31:36 PM EST
    iirc, Brown used his right hand to grab the store clerk's shirt and shove him. If so, probably righty? Can probably confirm from video.

    Should also be able to confirm which side hip has Wilson's gun in holster in one of the pics/vids of him.

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    HRC and Citizens United (none / 0) (#6)
    by squeaky on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:47:12 PM EST
    No executive order, but would support an amendment reversing the decision.

    While eying a potential presidential run that would surely be boosted by deep-pocketed super PACs, Hillary Clinton said Monday evening that she's open to supporting a constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision, which opened the door to the outside groups and the flood of money that poured into the political process with them.

    Taking questions from Facebook users at the social media giant's California headquarters Monday evening, Clinton expressed some interest in the idea. "I would consider supporting an amendment among these lines that would prevent the abuse of our political system by excessive amounts of money if there is no other way to deal with the Citizen's United decision," she said in response to a question on the measure.

    MSNBC

    Question for you, Squeaks (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by NYShooter on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:01:20 PM EST
    Do you know if any Supreme Court Justice has ever been impeached? Starting with the Gore/Bush treasonous decision, followed by countless "crimes against humanity," and, up to the C.U. monstrosity, this Court has set itself apart from all others.

    The Republicans have no problem threatening President Obama for the most childish, nonsensical crap, why not let the Supremes know that their ant-American decisions will be noted, if not for actual change, at least for posterity?  

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    ... who was appointed to the High Court by President George Washington in 1796, was impeached by the U.S. House in late 1804 on eight counts involving various cases over which he presided while serving as a federal circuit court judge. (U.S. Supreme Court justices used to pull double duty back in the day, and also served as trial judges until the latter part of the 19th century.) He was subsequently acquitted in the Senate on all charges in March 1805, and remains the only member of the U.S. Supreme Court to have ever been impeached.

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    Hey DfromH (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:54:52 PM EST
    LTNS

    How are you?

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    Yo, thanks (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by NYShooter on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:58:33 PM EST
    and, you, MS, Zorba

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    Abe Fortas resigned (none / 0) (#89)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:18:49 AM EST
    before he could be impeached.

    Fortas remained on the bench, but in 1969, a new scandal arose. Fortas had accepted a $20,000 retainer from the family foundation of Wall Street financier Louis Wolfson, a friend and former client, in January 1966.[16] Fortas had signed a contract with Wolfson's foundation. In return for unspecified advice, it was to pay Fortas $20,000 a year for the rest of Fortas's life (and then pay his widow for the rest of her life). Wolfson was under investigation for securities violations at the time and it was alleged that he expected that his arrangement with Fortas would help him stave off criminal charges or help him secure a presidential pardon. He did ask Fortas to help him secure a pardon from LBJ, which Fortas claimed that he did not do. Fortas recused himself from Wolfson's case when it came before the Court and had earlier returned the retainer, but not until Wolfson had been indicted twice.[4]

    link

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    Supreme Court (none / 0) (#18)
    by Zorba on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:44:12 PM EST
    Associate Justice Samuel Chase was impeached, but was acquitted by the Senate in 1805.
    Link.
    I'm old enough to remember the whole "Impeach Earl Warren" push, too, but that never went anywhere in Congress.

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    "I would consider supporting,..." (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by oculus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:15:22 PM EST
    Wiggle room there.

    Parent
    Plus, saying you support a constituional amendmen (5.00 / 5) (#14)
    by ruffian on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:30:24 PM EST
    these days is pretty safe since it will assuredly never happen. You can get points for supporting it though.

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    Citizens United (none / 0) (#19)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:50:08 PM EST
    I could see as one that might actually get the votes for an amendment.  
    But I don't disagree with you.

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    But, you may recall (none / 0) (#46)
    by NYShooter on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:06:17 PM EST
    a while back, I fantasized about how The Left, and, the Tea Party might meet "in the middle" on some issues. Anti Wall Street and Anti-Corruption are two issues the T.P. feels very strongly about.

    I hinted in my previous post that even if the attempt was unsuccessful, the publicity itself would have a positive effect, and, might just send a worrisome message to those pompous blowhards on the S.C. Right.

    Hey, nothing ventured, nothing gained. What demographic group doesn't "get" that leaving our [s]elected officials up to the oligarchs is a bad, bad idea?

    Parent

    I do (none / 0) (#48)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 06:12:32 PM EST
    It would be interesting to see if there was unity.

    Parent
    The Tea Party needs a victory (none / 0) (#77)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:08:23 AM EST
    pretty badly.

    They've been losing quite a few battles recently. Their candidates haven't been doing that great knocking off incumbents, or, more moderate opponents, like they were earlier.

    Impeaching a Supreme (and, a Black, if they target Thomas) would get their Mojo cranked up, big time.

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    There is no such thing as the (none / 0) (#90)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:20:35 AM EST
    Tea Party.

    Have you attended a meeting of a national group??

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    You might want to tell these people (5.00 / 4) (#93)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:33:01 AM EST
    that they do not exist.

    teaparty.org

    teapartypatriots.org

    Or maybe you should turn them into the DOJ for fraud since they are soliciting money to support an entity that you claim does not exist.


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    MO, MO, MO (5.00 / 4) (#129)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:51:23 AM EST
    Now, I'm not very smart, but, I was smart enough to not be sucked in, and, respond to....what's his name, above.

    Like you're going to get an intelligent dialogue going.

    I don't know, Lord; I try, I really do try.

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    The California Tea Party group (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:59:07 AM EST
    blamed everyone and their dog for not supporting the train wreck that Sarah Palin became in 2008.

    I've never been to a Tea Party meeting of any kind, but, like the Flat Earth people, I don't have to attend a meeting to know what they're about.

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    lol (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:12:14 AM EST
    Reminds me of when Jimmy Hoffa used to say there's no such thing as the mafia..

    If there's no Tea Party, what's that stench we've been smelling around here for the last few years?

    And where's all that talk coming from about secret mooslims, secret Black Panthers, secret Marxists, and about how "they're comin' ta take all our guns away"?  

    Parent

    Would someone show me a (1.50 / 2) (#140)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:00:24 PM EST
     National Tea Party??

    There isn't one.

    Oh there are various groups that claim to follow the
    Tea Party ideals. They often quarrel with each other. Some are more Libertarian than anything else. And some have morphed into, as in TN, the Constitution Party.

    The Tea Party, as you folks use it, is a straw man.

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    for the love of god, make it stop (5.00 / 4) (#143)
    by ruffian on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:05:48 PM EST
    OH (5.00 / 2) (#145)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:17:08 PM EST
    So what is the name of the super secret organization who we, and the media, have been calling "the Tea Party"?

    Wikipedia would appreciate your input, because their entry for "tea party" asks for your help:

    This article is outdated. Please update this article to reflect recent events or newly available information. (January 2014)

    teaparty.org also needs your help, as they think the "tea party" movement exists.

    teaparty patriots also need some input from you..

    tea party express also.. you have a lot of clean up to do, PPJ, as the web seems to have a lot of misinformation.

    teaparty patriots ning, FOX news, Facebook page (2,791,151 likes), the tea party.net, and thousands more...  

    Get to work PPJ!   Clear up this mess, because at this point it is obviously a left wing conspiracy to create straw men galore.

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    sure (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by magster on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:35:44 PM EST
    Huh?? (1.50 / 2) (#184)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:14:35 PM EST
    Who are these men?? What national political organization do they control??

    I repeat. The "Tea Party" is just a straw man for you.

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    National COntrol? (none / 0) (#185)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:17:19 PM EST
    Who said that they are controlling a political organization?

    Not a straw man.

    The question is not who are these men (and women), but what do they have in common?

    I bet even a political naiveté like you can answer that question, PPJ.


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    If there is no national organization (1.50 / 2) (#203)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 04:13:48 PM EST
    If there is no national agenda

    Then there is nothing.

    There is no conspiracy.

    Or at least that's what the Left tells us about the media...

    lol

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    How about if someone just (5.00 / 5) (#192)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:39:42 PM EST
    shows you...the door?

    On your way out, you might want to acquaint yourself with the definition of "perseveration."

    Toodle-ooo!

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    Hillary supporting (none / 0) (#10)
    by ragebot on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:08:15 PM EST
    a constitutional amendment is a far cry from repealing Citizens United.  I really don't see enough agreement on any issue to amend the constitution.

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    Depending on what (none / 0) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:14:12 PM EST
    happens in the house there probably could be a law passed to pretty much neuter the stupid decsion. The GOP could then spend a lot of time and money taking that one to court to see what happens.

    I have never in my lifetime seen a court that RESTRICTS the rights of citizens in this country. These Reagan Bush appointees are going to probably being the butt of jokes for years after they're gone.

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    For No Good Reason (none / 0) (#25)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:08:55 PM EST
    TRAILER

    `For No Good Reason' is a visually stunning unique biographical study of Ralph Steadman, whose art rose to prominence during his collaborations with writer Hunter S Thompson. In the finest Gonzo tradition questions of witness and authenticity are constantly challenged, as the film smashes narrative conventions, moving seamlessly from interview to animation and soundscape.

    Johnny Depp is a friend and thought‐provoking observer of Ralph's art who inspires insight as the film unfolds. Unseen intimate footage of Hunter S Thompson, much of it filmed by Ralph himself, reveals their deep life‐long friendship and true working relationship. Additional contributions include; Terry Gilliam, Richard E Grant, Tim Robbins, Bruce Robinson, Jann Wenner and Hal Wilner.

    We observe Steadman over fifteen years as he creates a wealth of art. For the first time his work is animated, including the drawings from `Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas'. There is an animated prequel to the feature, Cherrywood Cannon, which is read by Richard E Grant.

    Music from Slash, The All American Rejects, Jason Mraz, Lynval Golding, James Blake, Crystal Castles, Thom Crawford and Ed Hardcourt, each who have recorded tracks to their chosen visual chapter.

    `For No Good Reason' is a cohesive, touching and at times funny film about honesty, friendship and the ambition that drives an artist.

    Never has a truer record been made on the demise of the 20th Century counterculture and hipster dream - Ralph Steadman is the last of the Gonzo visionaries.



    Hunter asked me to hand carry (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by fishcamp on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 07:44:49 AM EST
    some of his writings over to Ralph in London when he found out I was going to Europe years ago.  Ralph met me at Heathrow and we went directly to his fabulous studio/home for lunch.  There were literally thousands of pieces of his art rather messily strewn everywhere.  I wanted to stay there longer but had to go to work in the Alps filming skiers.

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    Fishcamp, would you (5.00 / 3) (#96)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:48:37 AM EST
    for pity's sake consider writing your memoir?  It would be fascinating to read.
    If you don't want to write an entire autobiography, at least think about starting a website and posting some of your stories online.
    Do that, and I'll send you a pan of baklava.  And some more Greek recipes.    ;-)

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    Thanks Zorba but I'm going fishing... (5.00 / 5) (#97)
    by fishcamp on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:53:07 AM EST
    I know you are, (none / 0) (#99)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:58:44 AM EST
    my friend.
    But maybe you could find a little time, now and then, when the fishing is bad, to collect some of your stories online so that they are not lost to posterity.   ;-)


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    Oh dear Zorba (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:18:34 AM EST
    A bad day fishing in the Keys is still a great day fishing as there are no bad days for bonefish or permit... unless the wind is howling...and then it's a great day for grouper sandwiches and beer. I suspect between the beer, fishing, and lobster tails there is little time for penning Tales from Fishcamp.

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    You are absolutely right CG (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by fishcamp on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 12:49:23 PM EST
    and I went out for about 10 minutes when the other terrible thing started happening...lightening.  And me out there with carbon graphite fishing rods and a 22' push pole lightening attractor.  So I don't know how you knew but I'm having a grouper sandwich and a beer right now at Lazy Days restaurant.  BTW lobster season just opened again but I just buy them from the commercial guy down the canal...no more diving for me.  

    Parent
    You could do an audio book (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:07:58 PM EST
    You would just need to record the stories that you tell your friends and adquaintances while you are eating and drinking at your favorite watering holes.

    Parent
    Fishcamp (none / 0) (#153)
    by ragebot on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:33:48 PM EST
    this is the

    Lazy Days

    I go to, best happy hour around.

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    Yes ragebot that's it (none / 0) (#194)
    by fishcamp on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:47:43 PM EST
    but I go to the other one in Islamorada.  They are owned by the same family.  Both are great.  You're on the hook quite close by if I remember correctly.  Down by that underwater music festival.

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    No such thing as bad fishing. Just sayin'. (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by Angel on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:28:11 AM EST
    Mr. Zorba (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 12:56:58 PM EST
    Would agree with you, no matter the location of the fishing.
    It's all good, according to him.
    Hey, it keeps him happy, who am I to complain?  And he does bring home some wonderful fresh-caught fish for us to eat.
    Even if he doesn't bring home any fish (whether because the fishing was not productive, or because it was "catch and release" season), he still returns relaxed, happy, and refreshed.  
    No small thing.    ;-)

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    Exactly. (none / 0) (#139)
    by Angel on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 12:58:56 PM EST
    I would so love to have (none / 0) (#76)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:03:12 AM EST
    Met either of those characters.  Steadman has been a god to me since the 70s.  I do have a signed copy of Steadmans Alice in Wonderland but sadly I did not get the signature.  If my house was burning it's one of the things I would grab.

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    Steadman is one of a kind (none / 0) (#115)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:21:08 AM EST
    there's no doubt about that.

    Parent
    There is also (none / 0) (#117)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:25:48 AM EST
    A pretty great doc about him Crumb

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    Seen it a few times (none / 0) (#120)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:33:11 AM EST
    what did you think of it?

    Believe it or not, I grew up next door to a family of brothers a lot like that. But that's another long story.

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    I'm sorry you asked me that (none / 0) (#123)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:38:05 AM EST
    Because now I have to admit the only thing I remember is hearing that he has one of the worlds largest penes.

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    lol (none / 0) (#125)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:41:39 AM EST
    he has Marfan's Syndrome, which supposedly can do that in some instances.

    The violinist Paganini had it to.

    Parent

    Some people (none / 0) (#126)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:43:03 AM EST
    Have all the luck

    Parent
    Well (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:44:58 AM EST
    it's like that violin: you still have to know how to play it.

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    That, too (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 12:41:19 PM EST
    ;-)

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    Well, it depends upon (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 12:40:48 PM EST
    how the, shall I say, recipient of such "largesse" feels about it, too.  
    Said recipients might not necessarily feel so lucky.   ;-)

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    I'd say Robert Crumb at his best (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:18:01 AM EST
    keeps a kind of Gonzo flame still burning pretty brightly..

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    I'd say Robert Crumb at his best (none / 0) (#114)
    by jondee on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:20:06 AM EST
    still keeps a kind of Gonzo flame burning pretty brightly..

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    Gregory Towns (none / 0) (#42)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:56:21 PM EST
    Here is a case that illustrates that while race is no doubt a factor on police violence, it is not the only factor.

    Attorney: East Point police used Tasers as `cattle prod' on man who died

    While the medical examiners haves said Towns' death was a homicide, Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard is still waiting on evidence before decided if he will present the matter to a grand jury for possible criminal charges.

    Both officers were also black.  

    Two former East Point police officers might have discharged their Tasers more than twice as many times as they reported in the death of a 24-year-old man in April, according to an attorney.

    Odd they don't seem to have been showered with support, sympathy and money.


    Poverty is a factor that cuts across (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Anne on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 07:22:31 PM EST
    racial lines; not that race isn't a factor, just that it may be the one thing that victims of abuse of power have in common.

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    I always loved this place (none / 0) (#69)
    by CaptHowdy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 09:26:29 PM EST
    WOODLAWN CEMETERY'S 150TH ANNIVERSARY ON DISPLAY

    An exhibition at Columbia's Wallach Gallery showcases the graveyard's art


    With the GOP Governor in PA now onboard (none / 0) (#78)
    by CoralGables on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:11:52 AM EST
    26 states plus Washington DC have already or are now set to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act.

    For comparison purposes only, the first year Martin Luther King Day was recognized as a federal holiday, 27 states and Washington DC observed the holiday.

    Didn't catch the names, but, (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:24:09 AM EST
    I heard a couple more rejectionist Governors are softening up to the program.

    I mean, c'mon now, get real. This is an issue that even the dumbest, low information voter, from Ruby Red States, gets that health care for their families is a good thing. And, the fact that the States are getting it practically free from the Feds makes it a no-brainer.

    How long did those Governors think they could hold off the Health care envy their voters must feel watching their cousins in neighboring States getting it, and, not them?

    The dam's gotta break pretty soon I would think.

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    Bil Kristol predicted what would happen (none / 0) (#82)
    by Mordiggian 88 on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:37:51 AM EST
    over 20 years ago if a Democratic proposal to reform health care in passed the Congress and sgned into law, just substitute Obama for Clinton in the following passage:

    But the long-term political effects of a successful Clinton health care bill will be even worse-much worse. It will relegitimize middle-class dependence for "security" on government spending and regulation. It will revive the reputation of the party that spends and regulates, the Democrats, as the generous protector of middle-class interests. And it will at the same time strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to defend the middle class by restraining government.

    The big problem is that nobody wants to go to the status quo ante, where people could be turned down for insurance because of a preexisting condition, or it was expensive if you didn't get it through your work(and sometimes, even then it could be costly).

    Also, people have begun to realize that the 'death panels' aren't going to be there to decide who gets to live and who dies.  

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    Yup, it's just like (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by NYShooter on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:44:36 AM EST
    Social Security and Medicare.

    Once you've got it, or your neighbor does, the idea of going without is unthinkable.

    I just wonder if its too late for this Fall's Mid-Term?

    Of course, the Republicans always have Benghaziiii!!  

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    Benghazi (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:34:10 AM EST
    has to rank up there with Whitewater as one of the best fleece the rubes operations out there. The carnival barkers went into overdrive on that one. LOL.

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    Campaign rhetoric (none / 0) (#146)
    by sj on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:17:39 PM EST
    Here in Colorado the ads are positively spewing with the "repeal Obamacare" message.

    Worse than that, though (because I think people will apply their own experience to the ACA as opposed to taking the word of Cory Gardner) is Andrew Romanoff running commercials about needing to balance the [federal] budget. And I used to really like him.

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    Consider the district's demographics (none / 0) (#175)
    by christinep on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 02:36:00 PM EST
    pffftttt (none / 0) (#186)
    by sj on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:19:13 PM EST
    I'm considering the priorities.

    I'll say this for him: I've never known him to pander. His preferred approach is to find common ground. I believe that he has staked ground that he can hold, regardless of the... "demographics".

    Fortunately, I don't have to decide not to vote for him.

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    In NYT article: (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:05:23 PM EST
    Joan Alker, executive director of the Georgetown University Center for Children and Families, said Pennsylvania's plan was different from Arkansas's and Iowa's because the newly eligible Medicaid population would not choose private plans through the new online insurance marketplace. Instead, Ms. Alker said, they will enroll in managed-care plans offered by private insurance companies outside the exchange.

    "To me it's a lot of rhetoric," she said. "The majority of Medicaid beneficiaries in Pennsylvania already get their services through managed care, from private insurance companies that the Medicaid program contracts with. So he's really just adding a layer of complexity here."



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    The Egg (none / 0) (#85)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 09:47:12 AM EST
    should read the whole thing.   It's not long but a bit to long for a comment


    "There was a... a truck and it was skidding..."
    "Yup," I said.
    "I... I died?"
    ----
    "Oh," you said. "So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?"
    "Neither," I said. "You'll be reincarnated."
    "Ah," you said. "So the Hindus were right,"
    "All religions are right in their own way," I said. "Walk with me."
    ----
    "So what's the point of it all?"
    "Seriously?" I asked. "Seriously? You're asking me for the meaning of life? Isn't that a little stereotypical?"
    "Well it's a reasonable question," you persisted.
    I looked you in the eye. "The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature."
    "You mean mankind? You want us to mature?"
    "No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect."
    "Just me? What about everyone else?"
    "There is no one else," I said. "In this universe, there's just you and me."
    ----
    You fell silent.
    "Every time you victimized someone," I said, "you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you've done, you've done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you."
    You thought for a long time.
    "Why?" You asked me. "Why do all this?"
    "Because someday, you will become like me. Because that's what you are. You're one of my kind. You're my child."
    "Whoa," you said, incredulous. "You mean I'm a god?"
    "No. Not yet. You're a fetus. You're still growing. Once you've lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born."
    "So the whole universe," you said, "it's just..."
    "An egg." I answered. "Now it's time for you to move on to your next life."
    And I sent you on your way.



    Thanks for that (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:40:05 PM EST
    This is the type of imagination you fight fundamentalism with on a very profound level. The desperate gasps of the free and mortal and conscious mind. Existence is limitless. There are infinite universes, and that seems certainly more evident than "all men are created equal." The bigger you get, the smaller you are. IMO anyway. And none of it probably makes any sense, so forgive me.

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    I loved it too (none / 0) (#200)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 04:11:03 PM EST
    For the same reason

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    Aerial of Brown shooting scene (none / 0) (#91)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:26:52 AM EST
    Aerial View of Brown Shooting Scene

    Note the yellow box at the bottom left: Bullet Hole Above Ground Floor Window

    That's just to the left of the driveway where the Black Canseco video was taken.

    That would likely have been the first shot fired -- at the window of the SUV when Brown first started running.

    So, it would seem (none / 0) (#95)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 10:41:36 AM EST
    that if the bullet's trajectory was a little lower, it could have gone through the window itself and possibly hit a person inside that room.
    As I said before, it's a miracle that nobody else was hit.

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    Ya know, that bullet could have then (5.00 / 4) (#199)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 04:11:02 PM EST
    hit the guy in his apt who was busy making the fake audio tape of the gunshots, and that pesky lil' problem would have been solved :P

    Yes, I made the mistake of reading some of the comments over there. Oy.

    And it is a miracle no one else was injured or killed.

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    Expand your mission ;) (none / 0) (#101)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:03:42 AM EST
    As much as I appreciate your thoughts on this subject, I don't think you have said one thing I disagree with, being the busybody I am I would love it if you offered your opinion on other things.

    Don't take this the wrong way.  It's just my nature.  Yours seems to be an interesting voice that would add to the broader conversation.

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    Be careful what you ask for -- (none / 0) (#103)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:06:49 AM EST
    Ha (none / 0) (#105)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:08:45 AM EST
    Bring it

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    Sooooo (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:13:49 AM EST
    Do you think they will ever find MH370????

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    Awsum (none / 0) (#111)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:17:47 AM EST
    Awsum (none / 0) (#116)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:22:03 AM EST
    Awsum

    Is that what they serve after a helping of Dimsum???

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    Nope (none / 0) (#118)
    by CaptHowdy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:27:08 AM EST
    The southern all you can eat chinamanese buffet version of Dimsum

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    Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by Uncle Chip on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:36:44 AM EST
    What time is Dinner???

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    According to my maternal grandmother... (5.00 / 2) (#156)
    by unitron on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:37:26 PM EST
    ...we'd be having it "directly".

    And of course by dinner, she meant lunch.

    The evening meal was supper.

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    Wow. The peeps at that website (none / 0) (#173)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 02:30:38 PM EST
    are REALLY into this.

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    Oh, and the (5.00 / 1) (#174)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 02:34:43 PM EST
    peeps here aren't?  ;-)
    Maybe not nearly as much as those on that website, but still.
    Just go back over the old Zimmerman threads.
    Or maybe not...........

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    Ha! I really do think they have us beat. (none / 0) (#176)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 02:44:42 PM EST
    Creating diagrams and such from satellite images, street views, etc.

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    They must be (none / 0) (#180)
    by Zorba on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 02:55:56 PM EST
    chock-full of certain types of nerds.   ;-)
    Not that we don't have our share here, but I must admit, there are more there.
    I wonder how much time they spend on this sh!t?

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    Actually, on that thread, according the guy did all the research, all of the eye-witnesses we've heard interviewed who had similar descriptions of Brown putting his hands up, etc., were all gathered together on the grassy knoll immediately following the shooting, and were all talking to each other about what they'd seen.

    I think he also says that's where the first news camera interviews were done.

    Anyway, his theory is these eye-witnesses all talked about and heard each other's stories and, consciously or subconsciously, that's why all their stories are so similar.

    And that the eye-witnesses who did not gather on the knoll had differing stories.

    fwiw

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    ISIS, ISIL,ISIS (none / 0) (#124)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 11:40:42 AM EST
    It isn't enough to have the capability to destroy global civilization several times over :)

    The Pentagon really had to get an Admiral in front of the cameras to reassure the people that when the President said he did not have a plan for ISIS in Syria that that didn't mean he's skeered of them, they can kick our arse with one hand behind their back, and a plan is not possible...not ever...ever

    Been critical of Obama more than anyone (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:28:26 PM EST
    But I am perfectly happy with him saying we are, I would hope, being a tad thoughtful before acting in some more bold fashion, whatever fashion and form of bold that would be.

    Personally, you know me, I wish we would use the wildly imaginative powers this country possesses in many areas, the blue jeans and rock and roll that really "ended" the cold war, and put them to global political use. Let us lead the world in self-critical analysis and imagination. Right now, however, we're still too mired in rotted mindsets to understand what propaganda can really mean in this age, and for a really screwy beautiful nation such as ours.

    Peace.

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    "Propaganda" that is (none / 0) (#151)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:29:27 PM EST
    Shoulda been in quotes.

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    If I were fighting... (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by unitron on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 01:48:36 PM EST
    ...ISIS/ISIL/whoever, I might not want to reveal my strategy to them in advance.

    I might not even want them to know for sure whether I'd settled on one or not.

    (I might not even want anybody to ever know, even in hindsight, what it was)

    That might make it harder for me to "talk tough" and "stand tall", and all that.

    But it might give me an advantage in the actual fighting.

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    My faith in humanity is restored. (none / 0) (#177)
    by ExcitableBoy on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 02:45:45 PM EST
    My son was driving on his permit when he got stopped. When asked, he informed the cop (and me) that he had no permit on him, as required. The cop addressed me by name, having run the plate. He asked my son if he knew why he was stopped. Yes officer, I was speeding (great answer). As he walks away I'm trying to calculate the ticket. He comes back, have a nice day. I actually asked him if he wanted my license and registration; he said no, and left. Didn't even tell my kid not to speed. I joked to myself, I guess that white privilege thing is real, and told my son that had never happened in my life, and probably never would.

    A few days later and a town or two over, stopped again, this time for nothing. Cop starts yelling right away, said my son was going 20mph over the limit. I said no he wasn't; puts his hand on his gun, orders me out. Against the car, cuffed, frisked. Acted like he was doing me a favor by not beating or shooting me for speaking the truth, but never did give me a ticket. Back in the car I said, now THAT is the kind of cop I remember growing up in Boston. Taught him a valuable lesson if he didn't already know it.

    so which event... (none / 0) (#190)
    by sj on Fri Aug 29, 2014 at 03:25:21 PM EST
    ...restored your faith in humanity?

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    Hillary - Paul (none / 0) (#207)
    by Jack203 on Sat Aug 30, 2014 at 09:11:31 AM EST
    "I would predict the largest number of party members crossing party lines since Reagan Democrats.  You could have neo-cons and moderate Repubs voting Clinton, and anti-war anti-authoritarian Dems voting Paul.
    It would be interesting, in a horse race sense, to watch.  But I just can't see Paul surviving the Republican primaries."

    Agreed, I have a rough time seeing Paul survive the primaries as the neocon money will come in hard against him.

    Assuming he does, he won't be able to beat Hillary anyway.   He has an extremist right economic policy.  A flat tax will help the top 1% even more than they are now.  And that is one group in America that doesnt need any help.

    I think Hillary will have a very similar foreign policy as Obama anyway.