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    Query for legal minds (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Towanda on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 04:56:12 PM EST
    In yet another odd twist from the gang that cannot shoot straight in Wisconsin, the Attorney General is in court appealing the temporary injunction ordered last week to stop the anti-collective bargaining bill, based on the Republican legislators' apparent flouting of the state Open Meeting Law.  The injunction was ordered on the state Secretary of State, who now is not to publish the bill this week, which act would make it law.

    But a couple of problems:  The AG's job is defined as defending state law, the Open Meeting Law, not attacking it.  That may be the reason that he did not petition the appeals court for himself, i.e., the people of Wisconsin.  He cited the state Secretary of State as the petitioner.

    However, the AG did not ask the state Secretary of State -- a Dem -- to be the "client;" the state SoS said he knew nothing about being named in the appeal by the AG, and the state SoS says he has no problem with the temporary injunction.

    Now, can an AG file an appeal for another official without asking?  And could the SoS just request that the appeals court withdraw "his" appeal and let the temporary order stand?

    By the way, interesting is that the judge ordering the injunction on the problems with the process specifically stated that the injunction did not address the bill itself, so Republican legislators could just do a redo, following the Open Meeting Law.  But the Republican majority leader refuses to do so -- perhaps in part because they're on vacation this week and next, but perhaps because they don't have the votes any more?  The recall campaigns against them seem to be quite successful, so much so that the Repubs have sent out a fundraiser to help fight the recalls, calling this "the fight of our lives."

    To lighten the mood (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 07:17:03 PM EST
    courtesy of digby.

    Baby red pandas frolicking in the snow.

    For others like me who didn't know that there were red pandas here is some info.

    Also, to lighten (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 07:30:43 PM EST
    the mood: and speaking of pandering, sort of: Ginni Thomas is going to the "Daily Caller", which surprised me, I thought she only called on Saturday mornings.

    Ba dum dum! (none / 0) (#21)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 07:31:50 PM EST
    Tip your waitresses!

    Thanks, I needed that (none / 0) (#22)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 07:35:30 PM EST
    Gawdawful workday.

    WOW I'm so pissed this morning (5.00 / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 09:39:27 AM EST
    I just saw a clip of Newt G from the Today Show saying that Obama's Libya involvement is about as badly run as anything we have ever seen.  NOW if someone wants to make a comparison between Iraq and Libya I invite it. Let's talk about how badly run things were when Republicans and Republican leadership ran things!  We have had no loss of life among our forces, no boots on the ground, no long term commitment and we have shut down a genocide.  Phuck off Newt!  You idiot putz!

    the silly season is upon us (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 09:40:28 AM EST
    did it ever leave?

    Now we have (5.00 / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 09:59:32 AM EST
    Pole Dancing for Jesus.  For the record, don't expect me to focus on much of anything for Jesus until we have reached orgasms for Jesus :)  Then I could be compelled :)

    gawd (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 10:30:20 AM EST
    what fun it would be to secretly watch one of those sessions.  self righteous sluttery first with the spatula applied makeup and peroxide and now poles.  wonderful.

    This is wonderful phrasing (none / 0) (#53)
    by Towanda on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 11:38:53 AM EST
    well worth repeating!:

    self righteous sluttery first with the spatula applied makeup and peroxide and now poles.

    Thanks for the laugh!


    dont get me wrong. (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 11:46:14 AM EST
    I have not problem with sluttery.  its the self righteous part that bugs me.

    and on that subject (none / 0) (#56)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 11:56:46 AM EST
    dont forget Sucker Punch starts friday.

    we are doing a field trip.  a field trip!


    American people have noticed (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 10:26:15 AM EST
    The American people have at least taken notice that their elected representatives have totally abandoned their concerns about jobs and the economy.

    Majorities feel that everyone in Washington pays too little attention on job creation. Fifty-three percent think President Obama spends too little time on the issue of jobs 68 percent feel Congressional Republicans give it too little time, and 68 percent believe Congressional Democrats spend too little time on jobs.

    ...Yet, if anything, it seems both parties are spending even less time focused job creation, as if the Washington elites have simply gotten bored with the whole jobs thing.

    The total disconnect between the concerns of regular people and the Washington political elites has rarely been so blatantly obvious, and yet the gap seems to grow almost daily.
    read post. link

    Personally I don't think it is boredom. Job creation is not a priority with the corporate masters of the Washington elites. They and the Washington elites are doing just great. Thank you very much. They will do better still when their efforts to further reduce their taxes and expand Wall St. on the backs of the poor and middle class get implemented.

    we had our annual (none / 0) (#40)
    by CST on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 10:37:34 AM EST
    company status update yesterday.  What I learned - government investment in jobs works.  We had a really good year, hired new people, and plan on hiring more.

    Why?  Because of the ARRA.  Looking at the split of work, in 2007 the public vs. private sector split for clients was about 50/50.  Last year was closer to 75/25 with the public sector picking up all the slack.

    I work in Transportation, one of the only sectors that the government actually bothered to invest in, and we had our best year ever.  Imagine if they invested in the rest of the country the same way.


    It's easy to push it off your desk (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 10:46:13 AM EST
    toward the garbage can once you've drank the kool aid that our new unemployment is structurally permanent and our structure is just fine.

    Germany abandons nuclear power (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by MO Blue on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 10:38:33 AM EST
    BERLIN (AP) -- Germany is determined to show the world how abandoning nuclear energy can be done.

    The world's fourth-largest economy stands alone among leading industrialized nations in its decision to stop using nuclear energy because of its inherent risks. It is betting billions on expanding the use of renewable energy to meet power demands instead.

    The transition was supposed to happen slowly over the next 25 years, but is now being accelerated in the wake of Japan's Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant disaster, which Chancellor Angela Merkel has called a "catastrophe of apocalyptic dimensions." link

    seen The Lovely Bones? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 04:36:31 PM EST
    I think while too long it is a minor masterpiece of a movie.  also with some great music.  I love this. and today I learned, amazingly, that it is a Tim Buckley song that is almost as old as me and for some reason I never heard it until I saw the movie.

    I saw the movie (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 05:22:53 PM EST
    a while back and loved it but it made me very sad too. I think it was very well done showing the range of emotions the family suffered and how it affected the entire family.

    I thought it was very good too (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by ruffian on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 07:25:21 PM EST
    Better than I expected. I think the time between reading the book and seeing the movie was long enough that one did not interfere with the experience of the other.

    I listened to the book on audio. Don't (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 12:22:10 PM EST
    want a movie version of the victim in heaven.  Perfectly written.

    from reading and hearing (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 12:59:52 PM EST
    about the audio book I am surprised you made it thru.  it sound unbelievable depressing.  the movie was brutal but the ending was surprisingly upbeat.

    In listening to the audio book, I concluded (none / 0) (#70)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 01:39:47 PM EST
    the novel was much too long and rather repetitive.  Needed a better editor.  

    seems to conflict with (none / 0) (#71)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 01:41:48 PM EST
    "perfectly written"
    as far as an editor, I nominate Peter Jackson.

    And I quote: (none / 0) (#104)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 07:52:31 PM EST
    victim in heaven.  Perfectly written.

    Read the book, and loved it, which (none / 0) (#3)
    by Anne on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 04:52:52 PM EST
    is why I haven't seen the movie - most of the time a movie doesn't measure up to the one that plays in my head as I read the book, so I don't generally do both.

    I think you might like this one (none / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 04:54:13 PM EST
    I did read this book but I read the rings books.  more than once and he did a pretty bang up job on those.  which its three hours.

    sorry (none / 0) (#5)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 04:55:17 PM EST
    meant to say I did not read the Lovely Bones.  yet.

    you know (none / 0) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 11:05:25 AM EST
    this was on cable last night and I want to correct myself.  it is NOT three hours long.  I guess I just remember it being long.  it is 2:15

    The Libyan War ... (none / 0) (#2)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 04:51:55 PM EST
    is such a bit warmed over, transparent garbage.  They haven't even bothered writing new scripts.  Same lines, different war.

    The Clash probably said it best.  

    No need, works every time. (none / 0) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 06:41:25 PM EST
    Now that our military is in Libya, we will have to support them by bringing more in, and those troops need to protect themselves. The new twist is the Obama way, of presenting the idea and then stepping back and let it take its course.

    Seems like ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 06:48:04 PM EST
    the Bush approach to me.

    Well, Bush with change, (none / 0) (#15)
    by KeysDan on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 06:56:28 PM EST

    George W. Obama! (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 07:18:46 PM EST
    Or George Orwell (none / 0) (#23)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 07:42:42 PM EST
    On the latter part of your comment (none / 0) (#9)
    by Towanda on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 05:59:32 PM EST
    which is the basis for my comment above, what is your opinion as to whether the AG could name the SoS as the petitioner aka client without the SoS' permission, what is your opinion, Donald?

    Btw, re the first part of your comment, yes, we once again have Repub boyz and grlz behaving badly.  But how could you miss another marvelous part of the Randy "Bed Hopper" story? (Great nickname by the lib blogs there.) The young mistress's previous employment was with a lobbying firm with a moniker of Persuasion Partners. Sounds like an escort service, huh?

    Plus, her new job with the Walker administration, to which she was hired by Walker's Chief of Staff himself -- usually not involved in her level of hire -- pays $12,000 more, about a third more, than the same job did for her predecessor in it.

    However, as for Hopper no longer living in his district, that may be a political problem for him but not a legal problem.  State law requires residency for a year prior to election but says nothing about afterward.  Hmmm, I suspect that we shall see a "Bed Hopper Amendment" to that soon.

    Ah, schadenfreude (none / 0) (#10)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 06:17:20 PM EST

    My favorite part (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by jbindc on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 07:27:09 PM EST
    The maid has joined the recall effort.



    You know, (none / 0) (#26)
    by Zorba on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 08:08:44 PM EST
    if this was in a novel, we'd all be going "Nah, way too unbelievable."  You can't make this sh!t up.

    Japan (none / 0) (#27)
    by lentinel on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 08:38:21 PM EST
    is still going through hell.

    Food - vegetables and milk - contaminated with radiation.
    10,000 dead.
    Thousands of people unaccounted for.
    Thousands without food, shelter or heat.

    Trouble with the spent fuel storage - which could spew plutonium - lethal to ingest.

    And the discussion of the danger of nuclear plants has been aborted.

    But the nightmare continues.

    But we have Libya on our minds.

    And the nuclear industry can breathe a sigh of relief and regroup.

    I don't think they can (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by nycstray on Tue Mar 22, 2011 at 09:09:13 PM EST
    And the nuclear industry can breathe a sigh of relief and regroup.

    the media may have moved on, but I think many people are still paying close attention. Also saw an article today about our spent fuel storage problem . . . and from what I can tell, many do not believe the info about "safe levels". That card has been played too often.


    You know, (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by lentinel on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 06:05:03 AM EST
    I don't think it really matters if "people" are paying close attention.

    Obama is going to go right ahead as soon as his "study" commission reports that everything is safe and rosy.

    The industry is too powerful.
    And unless people are willing to put their bodies on the line, plant construction and continued use of antique plants will go on unabated.

    There is no way to influence the government.
    There are no politicians willing to represent the point of view that nuclear plants are dangerous, vulnerable and obsolete.

    You can bet that the 2012 campaign will present us with two parties with the same platform - as they did in 2008.

    And by the way...

    TOKYO -- Tokyo Water Bureau officials say levels of radioactive iodine in some city tap water is two times the recommended limit for infants.

    The officials told reporters Wednesday that a water treatment center in downtown Tokyo that supplies much of the city's tap water found that some water contained 210 becquerels per liter of iodine 131.

    They said the limit for consumption of iodine 131 for infants is 100 becquerels per liter. They recommended that babies not be given tap water, although they said the water is not an immediate health risk for adult


    Something for... (none / 0) (#30)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 08:19:38 AM EST
    privacy advocates, budget hawks, libertarians, and liberals.

    Scrap the TSA, lock, stock, and barrel.  

    Now that there are locks on the cabin door to keep the nut jobs away from the pilot, the minuscule additional benefit from passenger screening is not worth the cost.  Current TSA practice may actually result in more deaths as some short to medium range traffic is diverted to cars to avoid the hassle.

    because there is nothing a person (none / 0) (#35)
    by CST on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 09:55:45 AM EST
    could bring on a plane that could possibly harm someone if they locked the door.

    Like, for example, a bomb.


    If you really want to kill a bunch (none / 0) (#42)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 10:40:22 AM EST

    Just bring the bomb to the huge line of people waiting to go through the security checks, or picking up checked baggage.  You don't even need to blow money on a ticket.  

    The point is that a bunch of people on a plane is not much different than a bunch of people waiting in line, or at a soccer game, or at a concert, etc.  

    The reason planes needed special protection is to stop hijackers and particularly hijackers that want to use the plane as a missile and fly it into a building.  The locked and fortified cabin door addresses that nicely.  

    If you are really concerned about a bomb on a plane, then at about 1% of the TSA cost there could be a random chem sniffers deployed.



    It's different (none / 0) (#44)
    by CST on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 10:53:08 AM EST
    because of the enclosed cabin factor - you don't need nearly as much of a bang for maximum impact.

    And a gun would work pretty well in that situation as well.

    A 747 carries something like 400 people on it.  For a sense of scale, the Madrid train bombing in 2004 killed about 200 people, and the Oklahoma city bombing killed 170 peopple.

    It's a lot harder to kill people when they aren't trapped in an airplane.


    not to mention (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 10:55:29 AM EST
    that the impact of a missile on the ground is not that different depending on if it is aimed of simply falls out of the sky.  it just adds the variable of luck.

    true (none / 0) (#46)
    by CST on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 10:58:30 AM EST
    I'm just waiting for the classic right-wing "let everyone on the plane bring guns" response.

    That would work out really well when they landed in London :)


    Archie Bunker (none / 0) (#51)
    by CoralGables on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 11:23:50 AM EST
    was way ahead of them. Come to think of it, Archie was their role model.

    Archie Bunker Gun Editorial


    speaking of role models (none / 0) (#52)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 11:27:04 AM EST
    Glenn Beck Contemplates Starting Own Channel

    oh yeah.  that'll work.

    from Drudgie:

    1st Quarter ratings due out next week show Beck lost 30% of total viewership vs. '10; Nearly 40% of 25-54 demo...

    Number of advertisers now boycotting show closing in on 400...

    Every joke... (none / 0) (#55)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 11:49:06 AM EST
    gets old...even unintentonal comedy gold like Beck.

    Besides, he was always just a hypocrite piker version of the real deal...Mr. Alex Jones.  Gettin' some mainstream love from Rolling Stone.

    Love, hate, or indifferent that guy loves him some humanity.


    you know what this sounds like? (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 10:32:25 AM EST
    it sounds like the comments that Michelles fitness focus would cause people to be run down by cars in the streets while jogging and was therefore either evil or irresponsible depending on the depth of the insanity.

    I am so down... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 11:19:54 AM EST
    with some of that action Abdul.

    The farce was especially comedic yesterday in Houston...I got picked at random for the radiation scanner thingy, holding hands high like a perp...musta thought they saw something, or I'm just a sexy s.o.b.:), cuz I got pulled aside for an inner thigh massage.  The kicker...as all this goes on the PA recording goes "inappropriate remarks or jokes can lead to your arrest".  I mean ya just can't make this sh&t up.

    For the fearful...we were able to check for weapons and such before the formation of that demonic beuracracy less than 10 short years ago...we can do it again and take reasonable precautions without looking like yellow-belly morons...the TSA is a shining example of a terrorist victory if I ever saw one.

    Customs is no prize either...those gangsters also pulled me outta line and shook me down for a 20 dolla vig for my smokes.  We really must be broke if we're resorting to such small time racketeering:)  Can we, if not abolish, at least get them to chill?


    no that (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by CST on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 12:07:10 PM EST
    "Can we, if not abolish, at least get them to chill?"

    Is something I think we could all get down with.


    And something... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 12:15:30 PM EST
    we perpetually fail to consider when some political wizard proposes a new agency, law, power, etc...give the state a hammer and they treat everything like a nail, it should be no surprise at this point.  

    And good luck getting the hammer outta there hand once they have it.


    If the test of a good vacation is how long (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 12:20:05 PM EST
    the euphoria lasts after you return to work, I'm thinking you didn't have a good vacation!  But, most likely you did.  

    I concluded the scanner and excessive pat down are required to each be done once you are "selected" for the scanner.  Anecdotal evidence only.  


    It was awesome.... (none / 0) (#61)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 12:32:45 PM EST
    you kidding?  This might just be my vacation read talking..."One Nation Under Arrest".  Maybe the book under my arm made me suspect:)

    Sayulita gets a big thumbs up...the resort was insane, the town lively yet quaint...great music, food, people.  And the special lady, forget it...she gets more beautiful by the trip.


    Did she tuck into "Shantaram" yet? (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 12:56:18 PM EST
    BTW, which Bukowski book should I read first?

    Not yet... (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 01:14:04 PM EST
    too heavy to lug to Sayulita...got her a hardcover spanish edition.

    Bukowski...hmm, you can start anywhere but I'd reco "Post Office" or "Women" for novels and "Mockingbird Wish Me Luck" for poetry.  That's the one my favorite, "The Shoelace", was first published I believe.


    RE: I am so down... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 01:14:26 PM EST

    Whenever I fly with my 60+ year old boss, he gets the royal groping due to his metal hip replacement.  What a waste of time, money, and talent.  The money spent on TSA "security theater" would be much better spent elsewhere.

    It is really nice that the feds have so much spare cash on hand that this nonsense can be funded.


    but god forbid one nutjob (none / 0) (#66)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 01:16:09 PM EST
    gets through security.  you would be screaming to the heavens about their incompetence.

    Well this nutjob got through... (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 01:22:53 PM EST
    I'm just not dangerous...or brave enough to be dangerous:)

    Not really (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 02:13:27 PM EST

    nut jobs that can harm others can do so just about anywhere.  There is no longer a sound reason to try (and not well at that) to make aircraft any different.

    IF the TSA is not there at all there can be no complaints of incompetence.

    Do you think we should have pat downs and metal detectors at each city bus stop?  If not, why does air travel need different security than bus travel?


    an average bus (none / 0) (#79)
    by CST on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 02:59:40 PM EST
    holds 50 people, can pull over, and in a worst case scenario people can jump out the back door.
    Really, it's not that complicated to see the difference.

    It's physics.  A plane, by it's very physical nature, is much more dangerous than a bus, or a train with it's seperate cars, or a stadium which holds many people but also has many exits, is not pressurized, etc... etc...

    One person with one dinky bomb can blow up 400 people in a second.  Anything in a stadium or on a train or anything like that would be much more complicated, would require a lot more people, coordination, and firepower to achieve the same impact.

    And as Howdy said, what happens to the flaming plane on the way down?  Rather than flying a plane into a building you could just blow it up over one.


    The plane is bigger than the average bus (none / 0) (#116)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 09:29:08 AM EST

    And holds more people, but less than the many theaters.  

    Trying to time an explosion in a plane to be over a target building is something for a TV fictional movie.  A. the plane has to be on exactly the right course  B. The bomber has to know the planes exact course, speed, and position updated in real time  C. has to be able to correctly calculate the plane's future position estimating the change in rate of climb, change in rate of turn,  and change in rate of acceleration D. has to be able to calculate the correct detonation moment E. then has to trigger the bomb with millisecond precision timing.  Fat chance.

    However, why by a ticket when sending the bomb by air freight is so much easier, and you don't have to blow yourself up.

    Lets keep in mind that before there were metal detectors all of the fears you expressed were not realized.  And those what were would have been addressed with locked cabin doors.

    A few random chem sniffers at airports would free up resources to feed, clothe, and educate many poor, hungry, and ignorant children.  You don't hate poor children, do you?



    again (none / 0) (#117)
    by CST on Thu Mar 24, 2011 at 10:37:03 AM EST
    Theaters aren't pressurized, they have exits, they are bigger than your average plane.  I'm sure there were more people in the Oklahomah city building than on a 747, but not everyone dies in that scenario.

    A.B.C.D.E. - It's called a city.

    There were a lot of hostage situations and plane hijackings before, and today you have a new organized/zealous brand that seem pretty likely to want to martyr themselves.

    As for the question at the end of your comment, I can't answer that and stay within the comment rules for swearing.


    We better shut up now... (none / 0) (#67)
    by kdog on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 01:19:49 PM EST
    not sure if these comments are considered "innappropriate remarks" and if those arrest powers for same extend beyond the airport...probably depends on the mood of the applicable enforcement and prosecutorial arms.

    I'd just hate to see ya get chained up is all bro:)


    RIP Elizabeth Taylor Dies at 79 (none / 0) (#31)
    by MO Blue on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 08:42:06 AM EST
    Forget how much of an activist she was in the early days on AIDS. link

    Public Religion Research Institute Report results (none / 0) (#32)
    by MO Blue on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 09:09:16 AM EST
    The report, which was released today, found that 43 percent of Catholics favored allowing gay and lesbian people to marry; 31 percent favored allowing them to form civil unions. 22 percent said there should be no legal recognition of a gay relationship.

    Here are a few more findings from the report:

    -- Only 39 percent of Catholics give their church top marks for its treatment of the issue of homosexuality.

    -- 56 percent of Catholics believe that homosexual sex is not a sin.

    -- When marriage is defined as a civil marriage "like you get at city hall," 71 percent of Catholics support it link h/t Atrios

    Racebending (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 11:03:49 AM EST
    Launches Online Petition Protesting All-white Shortlist for `Akira'

    . . . the latest project to get flak for "whitewashing" (as it's called) its roles is Warner Bros.' live-action remake of Akira, the iconic Japanese animated film. A recently revealed shortlist indicated that only Caucasian actors are currently in the running for the lead roles of Kaneda and Tetsuo. (The shortlist also showed that the studio is only considering actors ten years older than the originally teenaged characters, but that's an issue for another day -- we already knew it wouldn't exactly be a faithful adaptation.)

    this is right out of the hollywood of the 50s.
    if you have never seen the original Akira you have missed one of the best animated films ever made.

    mmmmm k! (none / 0) (#49)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 11:10:26 AM EST
    Iran Announces Launch Of Its Unmanned Flying Saucer

    This photo accompanies an actual news release from an actual Iranian news service, which claims the Islamic Republic has built a flying saucer.

    who needs nukular bombs?

    greatest quarterback of all time? (none / 0) (#69)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 01:35:16 PM EST
    Watching the two clips in sequence is like watching a highlight reel of Jordan when he was on the Bulls followed by one of Kobe when he was in high school. The skill levels are different, obviously, and the latter still has much to prove, but ... the potential. So much potential.

    Someday this kid will win a state championship, sign with a major college, play in a bowl game or two, and eventually be drafted by the Jets. And then, thanks to the k-a-r-m-a that surrounds the J-E-T-S, he'll reek. I'm already preparing myself for the disappointment.

    Oy.....someone hold me down! (none / 0) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 02:17:22 PM EST
    On MSNBC they just can't deal with all the hoopla they raised if we are now leaving the stage in Libya now.  I heard some talking head for MSNBC who covers the Pentagon say that now the really hard thing must happen, the United States must hand over the lead.  Oh yeah, that's the really hard thing, those strategic strikes with military personnel not sleeping while every single one of them sweated every single missile finding its target and nothing else but its target.....that was just a phucking walk in the park.  I hate listening to idiots who know nothing about what the people on the ground are really doing and going through.

    After that the MSNBC reporter covering the Pentagon said that he didn't think the US should leave the stage because we would be the best people to handle Libya from here too.  What happened to just reporting the damned news?  And wasn't it this yahoo yesterday who was screaming about how we were in a third war now and how could things be even more impossible?  It is almost as if the press made such an issue out our helping in Libya that now they can't deal with us stepping back as was the plan.  It makes them look a little bit like idiots, and maybe they are.

    maybe? (5.00 / 0) (#74)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 02:20:37 PM EST
    of course.  if they hand it off like the said they would they look like idiots and it messes with the whole three wars BS meme.

    That's what I'm thinking (none / 0) (#75)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 02:24:01 PM EST
    Here's a "me too" (none / 0) (#80)
    by christinep on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 03:03:51 PM EST
    Tracy, sweetie, (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 02:40:51 PM EST
    close your eyes and take some deep, cleansing breaths.  Don't let the idiots in the MSM raise your blood pressure.  They're pretty much all like that.  They don't "just report the news" (most of them) any more.

    Let's do beauty talk (5.00 / 0) (#77)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 02:46:51 PM EST
    heh (none / 0) (#87)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 04:48:22 PM EST
    Newt Gingrich, March 7:

        Exercise a no-fly zone this evening... The United States doesn't need anybody's permission. We don't need to have NATO, who frankly, won't bring much to the fight. We don't need to have the United Nations. All we have to say is that we think that slaughtering your own citizens is unacceptable and that we're intervening. And we don't have to send troops. All we have to do is suppress his air force, which we could do in minutes.

    Newt Gingrich, today:

        The standard [Obama] has fallen back to of humanitarian intervention could apply to Sudan, to North Korea, to Zimbabwe, to Syria this week, to Yemen, to Bahrain... We could get engaged by this standard in all sorts of places. I would not have intervened. I think there were a lot of other ways to affect Qaddafi. I think there are a lot of other allies in the region we could have worked with. I would not have used American and European forces.

    via stinque


    He is such a scumbag (none / 0) (#94)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 05:29:22 PM EST
    Go ahead and run for President Newty.  We have an internet now, and the internet has a memory.

    Beauty Talk (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 02:56:06 PM EST
    Okay, for some reason it does seem like Feria hair color products are superior.  WHY?  I would think hair color is hair color.  But it does look better and does seem to have a faceted look without highlighting.

    The new Suave shampoos, they work really well and I can't tell the difference between them and the Aveda products that they resemble that I like.

    And the Cover Girl Simply Ageless foundation that Ellen DeGeneres is helping them hawk is a pretty good bang for the buck and doesn't make your wrinkles look worse....has good coverage.  Probably not as many shades available though as my prefered Elizabeth Arden.  But its good stuff for the moola.

    Downers.....the last Isle of Dogs Shampoo restock a week ago cost me $100 and Suave isn't interested in attacking that market :(

    Well, I have a lot of (none / 0) (#81)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 03:48:20 PM EST
    gray in my hair- one hair stylist I went to called it "resistant gray."  (Figures that my hair would be "resistant,"  too.  Just like the rest of me.)  It means that the gray begins to lose color rather easily.  OTOH, I never get highlights, because my hair creates its own highlights after a few shampoos.  On the other, other hand, it means more trips to the beauty salon than I want to pay for.  So what I'm asking is, do you know if the Feria hair color does a decent job of covering gray?  If so, I'll buy it and do it myself at home, and save a bundle.

    My gray is pretty resistant (5.00 / 0) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 04:34:12 PM EST
    And there is a bit of these days too. It works on that fairly well.  It usually takes my hair awhile to gain some dimension after a standard Clairol dye via Sally's if I don't highlight.  For some reason it doesn't seem like highlighting is mandatory if I use the Feria box product with the Feria developer and the Feria conditioner.  It says on the conditioner that it aids in adding dimension too but I can't imagine how it does that.

    I swear by Bare Minerals makeup... (none / 0) (#82)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 03:59:53 PM EST
    I know I will sound like an infomercial, but the stuff has been great for my (aging) skin; when people tell me I don't look my age, I tell them it's the makeup - which looks like me, not like warpaint.

    It's not cheap, but it lasts a long time.

    I would use it on my entire body if it made me look thinner...lol

    For hair, I do highlights/lowlights a couple times a year - nothing dramatic, just "enhanced" - and since my hair is at the lighter end of the range, what gray I do have isn't that noticeable.


    I love the mineral foundation (none / 0) (#84)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 04:39:54 PM EST
    (I have Mary Kay).  Great for those times when your skin feels a little oilier.  

    But unfortunately, I seem to have allergic reactions to it sometimes (the mineral eye shadows too).  It's not attractive to have pretty makeup on and then to keep scratching your face!


    My face gets a little itchy too (none / 0) (#86)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 04:42:52 PM EST
    And I also noticed that that Ageless Covergirl has a very soothing affect and no itchy for me.

    Does it work (none / 0) (#97)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 05:50:32 PM EST
    if your skin is dry?  I find that my skin, which used to be very oily when I was younger, is now quite dry (and I use moisturizer faithfully).

    It has an oil olay regenerist component in the (none / 0) (#107)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 08:00:53 PM EST
    foundation.  I got a sample and I liked it, so I bought some for everyday wear and I decided to try the "primer" too.  It says that you can wear the "primer" alone and that feels like it has a moisture component too but not greasy.

    Oops, sorry...you were asking about (none / 0) (#108)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 08:01:50 PM EST
    mineral wear

    Zorba, what I have noticed is that (none / 0) (#110)
    by Anne on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 08:19:47 PM EST
    it isn't drying like powder would be - it doesn't suck moisture out of your skin at all.

    What's kind of weird about it is that it's so light, and you'd think it couldn't possibly cover the way regular foundation would, but it does; it's like it's still your skin, only better.

    The best way to start, if you're interested, is with the starter kit - it's not that expensive - and I don't know anyone who's tried it who didn't pretty much love it.


    I think I'll definitely (none / 0) (#112)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 08:42:55 PM EST
    have to try it.  I was thinking that it might be too drying, and kind of highlight the wrinkles too much.  It doesn't sound like it, though, from what you're saying.

    My cousin is very fair (none / 0) (#85)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 04:41:23 PM EST
    So am I.  And she gets Bare Minerals delivered to her regularly and she had so much of it that she handed me two jars of the fair foundations as I was leaving her place last year, and I use them too.  I don't like to wear heavy liquid foundation, so if we are going someplace more formal I wear very light foundation with the bare minerals that my cousin gave me swept over the top of it instead of press powder.

    not to spoil the mood (none / 0) (#88)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 04:49:26 PM EST
    but have you noticed how grey Obama is getting?

    The job will do that to you (none / 0) (#89)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 04:51:34 PM EST
    I always forget that Bill Clinton had dark hair when he took office!

    yea (none / 0) (#93)
    by CST on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 05:15:13 PM EST
    it's definitely more noticable on the younger presidents like Bill and Barrack.  Obviously if you are already grey/white you don't really have anywhere to go.

    I use to dye my hair all the time in late high school/college until I eventually forgot what color it was naturally.  So I switched back for a little change.  Probably a good thing as it dries out your hair a lot.  And my hair doesn't need any help drying out.


    Ha, my best friend was like that (none / 0) (#95)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 05:35:06 PM EST
    She ended up one time with the most amazing shade too but it wasn't anything any of us could mimic because so many colors were involved :)

    I always thought (none / 0) (#98)
    by jbindc on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 05:50:35 PM EST
    Women who found stray gray hairs were so vain when they were so upset about it.  I have shoulder length brown hair, and now I understand what they were feeling.  I find a new gray hair every dy in a prominent place (and a lot more if you life my hair up or I wear a ponytail).  Not enough to start coloring, but I get my scissors out every day!

    I have huge gray wings on the sides (none / 0) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 07:54:27 PM EST
    of my head now.  Coloring must happen or I become a Druid, one or the other.  I didn't color though at all until I was mid 30's.  I used to just bleach and tint my wings out until they looked like it was highlighting.  Now there's too many and too much.

    Men who (none / 0) (#114)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 08:56:42 PM EST
    have the gray on the sides are considered "distinguished looking."  Unfortunately, that's not the case for women.  Still a sexist society, in many ways.

    I think the men's situation (none / 0) (#115)
    by brodie on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 10:13:41 PM EST
    though has changed somewhat in the past 25-30 yrs re gray hair.  At least there was a long period where men of a certain age who were getting it wanted to get rid of it, generally.  Perhaps all those many years of hair dye for men comm'ls on teevee made men more self-conscious of their looks and of growing older, perhaps the unfortunate cost-cutting trend in the workplace for younger workers made them want to appear youthful.

    Dunno about women and gray hair generally.  I think for men considering their physical attractiveness, what counts far far more than hair color is facial shape and skin quality.    

    (On a personal note:  not long ago I saw my h.s. sweetheart for the first time in many years.  Still wore her blonde hair long, but now she had a touch of gray at the temples.  Barely noticed it though -- perhaps the minimal color contrast betw blonde and gray makes it less unattractive with that hair type.  Plus it didn't hurt at all that she was as drop-dead beautiful as 25 yrs before -- just the small amount of gray and a few subtle lines around the mouth, and otherwise no change in a quarter century.  A few gray hairs?  Who cares.)  


    Anyone here (none / 0) (#101)
    by brodie on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 06:11:58 PM EST
    tried the old strategy of massaging used coffee grounds into the scalp to get rid of gray hair (more for darker haired types presumably)?  Supposed to work (or after several applications, perhaps over a few weeks) and is safe -- might even help promote hair growth too -- and without the dangerous chemical downside (tannins being safe to absorb into the body).

    I'd recommend it for Obama.

    Regular coffee grounds, used, only.


    My mother (none / 0) (#102)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 06:22:12 PM EST
    tried that for awhile, many long years ago when she was first turning gray (she was a brunette, as am I).  Didn't work for her.  She switched to Lady Clairol.

    I would like to try some henna (none / 0) (#106)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 07:56:09 PM EST
    Anyone use henna on gray hair?  I have clear henna (isn't real henna though, can't remember what plant it is) to gloss but I've never tried colored henna.

    I tried it (none / 0) (#111)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 08:28:04 PM EST
    some years ago, when I had much less gray hair.  It did work, but it definitely gives a red tone to your hair, and I wouldn't use it if you're blond or light brown (unless you want to be a redhead).  It's for darker hair.  I liked it, but it didn't last very long, at least on my hair.  I don't know how it would work for heavily gray hair, though.  Probably too red for my taste.  I have heard that you can use a combination of henna and indigo for black hair, but at my age, I don't want to go black- it's too aging for me.

    Thanks for the info (none / 0) (#113)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 08:52:10 PM EST
    When I look at the shades they usually look too warm for my skin tones.  Probably isn't anything out there on the cool tone side.

    I figured that he colored during the primaries (none / 0) (#91)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 05:09:27 PM EST
    I think it is harder for men with short cuts to hide the gray too when someone is photographing them everyday.

    weird (none / 0) (#90)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 04:57:34 PM EST
    I just took my car to be serviced and while it was happening the temp dropped 10 degrees.  it was 70 today it is supposed to be 28 tonight.

    with flurries.  

    crazy (none / 0) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 05:09:54 PM EST
    Chance of snow here tonight (none / 0) (#96)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 05:36:54 PM EST
    or tomorrow morning.  Chance of snow again Saturday night to Sunday morning.  I HATE WINTER!  Although normally (in good weather), I love it up here in the mountains.  But as I get older, I find I have less and less tolerance for cold and snowy weather.  I'm beginning to understand all the snowbirds who migrate to Florida every winter (not that I would ever grace Florida with any of my time or money).

    unreal (none / 0) (#99)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 05:56:24 PM EST
    on the weather channel site every time I hit update it drops a degree.  I swear.

    Near you in Chicago, snow today (none / 0) (#109)
    by Towanda on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 08:07:53 PM EST
    for a while midday!  Very weird, a very hard snowfall for maybe 20 minutes, but then: pffft!  Gone, with not a trace on the ground.

    But now the wind is coming up fast, not a good sign, and there are blizzard snows up north.  April is not the cruelest month, by any means -- that was not penned by a Midwesterner in the month of March.


    quiz question (none / 0) (#100)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 06:00:48 PM EST
    Why Are The Netflix Envelopes Rectangular Instead of Square?

    Square envelopes mailed at first class rates incur a 20 cent per piece surcharge because they are considered nonmachinable. That would steeply increase postage costs. Doing simple math on Netflix: How much does Netflix spend on postage each year?, it would cost Netflix an extra $225MM to $270MM a year. If you buy a square greeting card, the envelope often has a note that extra postage is required. The inference is that postal service sort equipment needs a long edge to ensure that it can correctly read address information. There has been a longstanding controversy within the USPS about Netflix return mail pieces causing machines to jam because of the leading floppy edge. If you Google it, you can find a long inspector general report on the topic. They found that at some sort facilities postal workers will just pull Netflix envelopes out of the mail stream manually. (Good thing they're bright red!)

    Interesting (none / 0) (#103)
    by Zorba on Wed Mar 23, 2011 at 06:26:02 PM EST
    Although I imagine that this will be less and less of a problem as more and more people switch to getting Netflix movies online.  Both the Zorba offspring do this- they very rarely, if ever, get the mailed DVDs.