home

Ex-U.S. Sailor Spies for al-Qaeda. Gets 10 Years

A former U.S. sailor has been sentenced to 10 years, the maximum sentence possible, for spying for al-Qaeda, informing them of secret U.S. ship movements:

The former sailor, Hassan Abu-Jihaad, was convicted in 2008 of disclosing secrets on ship movements to potentially enable an attack similar to one carried out against the destroyer USS Cole, which killed 17 U.S. sailors.

Several months ago in California, two 28 year olds who operated a medical marijuana dispensary were each sentenced to twenty years in prison, the mandatory minimum.

Does anyone not see something wrong with this picture?

< Final Four Day | AG Holder to Seek More Federal Marijuana Possession Prosecutions >
  • The Online Magazine with Liberal coverage of crime-related political and injustice news

  • Contribute To TalkLeft


  • Display: Sort:
    well, that medical pot (none / 0) (#1)
    by cpinva on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 12:19:15 AM EST
    dispensary could easily have led to another 9/11! it's a gateway drug, bound to ruin the lives of all those suffering from terminal cancer.

    geez, that sailor was only trying to help destroy our ships and kill our servicemen.

    makes perfectly good sense to me!

    A devoted Agnostic (none / 0) (#2)
    by NYShooter on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 01:14:10 AM EST
    beginning to believe in the Rapture

    It needs to be addressed in this manner (none / 0) (#3)
    by nycstray on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 01:18:41 AM EST
    more often. It just doesn't register with enough of the population that this is going on. If both stories were on the front page of the same newspaper with equal space/headline etc, people might read the spy one, but 2 guys busted for medical pot? Maybe if they were side by side with the sentence in the headline . . . . fairly phrased of course (who me jaded?!)

    There are monumental problems within (none / 0) (#4)
    by DeborahNC on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 03:40:25 AM EST
    our judiciary and legislatures that would allow such unfair sentencing laws.

    Calling an attorney for a question: Are sentencing laws similar among the states or are some states more equitable when deciding on the length of sentences?

    For legislatures to pass laws like this is unconscionable. Did this pattern begin with the so-called "war on drugs?"

    I want to understand how the system became so imbalanced.

    Begin with the war on drugs? (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Bemused on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 10:59:23 AM EST
      Probably not, but there is no question the imbalance became far more pronounced and irrational because of it.

      All criminal codes have always had some degree of what would seem "rational imbalances" because as new offenses are created, the penalties are often set based on the then existing atitudes rather than a "holistic" assessment of how the danger and seriousness of that offense relates to the rest of the offenses. Also, existing offenses (drugs being the seminal example) are sometimes singled out for increases in punishment without regard to hw the new punishments relate to other offenses of greater, similar or lesser "objective" harm.

      In theory,  sentencing commissions empowered to establish universally applicable sentencing guidelines could undertake the rational and holistic revision of punishment provisions and be a strong positive force. But, at least at the federal level, and in some states, the ability, even where the will might be present, is constrained by statutes mandating minimum sentences for some offenses that must be incorporated into the operation of any guidelines.

      Sometimes the disparities lead to utterly bizarre results as in the examples of traitorous espionage versus growing some weed  highlighted here. I've had drug cases, where I actually thought my client would likely have received less punishment had he killed his customer than he got for selling the customer drugs the customer wanted. I don't mean that in the sense that the customer would not be available to testify if dead but in the sense that with even a first degree murder conviction with a recommendation of mercy the sentence served would be less than for the drugs. That's  crazy.

    Parent

    good points bemused. (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by cpinva on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 11:46:38 AM EST
    in the case of drugs, we've been bombarded, for the past almost 40 years, with government generated propaganda, telling us how horrific drugs (not the legal "good" kind) are. they will ruin our lives, and the lives of everyone around us.

    what they neglect to mention is that most of the ruining is due to their illegality. of course, it stands to reason that, if drugs are so horrific, the penalties for possession/use/distribution must be draconian. if not, the whole propaganda thing is exposed as a fraud.

    it's kind of a vicious circle.

    the hypocrisy of this can be demonstrated by the polar opposite sentences that used to be regularly handed out to people who, while drunk as a skunk, got in their cars and proceeded to kill someone. up until fairly recently, they would routinely get a slap on the wrist because, well, they were drunk, and didn't kill on purpose.

    in that very same courtroom, a guy busted for smoking pot, while minding his own business and not killing anyone, might well end up in jail for 5 years. because, well, smoking pot is far more dangerous than drunken vehicular manslaughter.

    the case cited above is just another classic example of this legislative hypocrisy.

    Parent

    Well, it's inaccurate (none / 0) (#7)
    by Bemused on Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 12:13:13 PM EST
     to say a guy busted for just smoking pot might get five years, but otherwise i agree

    Parent
    Thanks cpinva. What you described is what (none / 0) (#10)
    by DeborahNC on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 05:35:55 AM EST
    I suspected all along--that the sentencing for drug offenses (the propaganda) is politically motivated. To me, the system is barbaric and so unjust.

    Are sociological factors and societal attitudes exploited to create the propaganda? It would seem logical to me. But, how would the government as a whole stand to profit from generating such propaganda? I could understand individual politicians capitilizing on public fears but don't fully understand the role of government as a whole.

    Parent

    Thanks a lot for the helpful, (none / 0) (#9)
    by DeborahNC on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 05:20:14 AM EST
    but disconcerting information. It sounds as if our judicial system isn't really systematic at all. Actually, from what little I know and what you described, it seems to have been established in a rather piecemeal way.

    If I were an attorney, I would be exasperated by this type of thing. It's no wonder that Jeralyn is always complaining about sentencing for drug offenses.

    Parent

    the rest of the story (none / 0) (#8)
    by diogenes on Sun Apr 05, 2009 at 07:23:45 PM EST
    The pot dealers made NINE MILLION DOLLARS selling "medical" marijuana.  They were sentenced as major drug dealers, not as "medical marijuana" proprietors.  If you want to legalize multi-million dollar marijuana drug dealerships, then just say so.

    I do want marijuana distribution legalized (none / 0) (#11)
    by Bemused on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 07:09:05 AM EST
     and then heavily regulated. I'm pretty sure that any regulatory and licensing scheme would result in multi-million dollar marijuana businesses dominating the production and  wholesale distribution of it. Tobacco, liquor, beer and wine sure have them.

     

    If that happens (none / 0) (#12)
    by Patrick on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 08:19:34 AM EST
    you can color me gone.   I have some acreage and the know how.  Until then, I'll have to settle for being the scourge of TL.

    Parent
    lol (none / 0) (#13)
    by squeaky on Mon Apr 06, 2009 at 02:44:08 PM EST
    I guess that there is not that much difference in police work and farming after all. Just reaping different crops.

    Good luck, hope you get your wish.

    Parent