HCR: All Eyes On She?

WaPo sez that everyone is waiting for Snowe. Not me. The Senate Finance Committee is no longer The Show. Kagro has a good run down. In any event, the title of my post was really an excuse to post some Pac:

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    CNN reports (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by dk on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 12:04:07 PM EST
    that President Snowe will vote for the Baucus bill.

    Snowe's in (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by NealB on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 12:19:37 PM EST
    She would have been in if Finance had voted on their piece-of-crap bill three months ago. She'll be in on the final Senate votes as well. Baucus and his Finance committee just wasted three months for nothing. Thankfully, this part of the process is over.

    Hm (none / 0) (#1)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 08:52:27 AM EST
    so the Presidency has now been ceded back to Snowe. Not suprising I guess.

    Ah, but Snowe (none / 0) (#5)
    by jbindc on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 09:23:58 AM EST
    has other considerations for her vote - a top spot on the Commerce committee.  What's she going to do?  What she feels will produce the most likely bi-partisan bill or what's good for her personally? (keep in mind she's a politician)

    lets hope HRC (none / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 08:56:53 AM EST
    share a similarly untimely end

    I was just gonna mention (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CST on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 09:01:31 AM EST
    how I keep confusing HCR with HRC.  Are we talking health care or Hillary?

    I think we'll have some health care related bill before we have Hillary.  Although I also think she will be the next president.  

    I make no predictions on the existince of a public option robust or otherwise.  I'm tired of reading tea leaves on that one.


    sorry (none / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 09:14:03 AM EST
    its early.

    Well, this is way off track, I suppose... (none / 0) (#51)
    by NealB on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 04:31:37 PM EST
    ...but I thought I thought I read that Hillary said no to the presidency ever again (on the Today Show (?) a few days ago (?)). If not Hillary as the first woman prez, then who? And when?

    This American Life (none / 0) (#6)
    by Fabian on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 09:28:56 AM EST
    Their latest is on our health care "system" - such as it is.  It's a kind of joke to describe our health care as if it was some kind of predictable, coherent organization.  It isn't!

    Informative bits on how health care is actually delivered, whether evidence based care is actually practiced, and if it is practiced, whether it is appreciated.  Who makes the decisions?  Who should make the decisions?  How do they make decisions?

    Disappointingly, the average consumer is seen as uninformed, often passive and very susceptible to emotion heavy marketing campaigns.  

    Reminds me of a (none / 0) (#8)
    by SOS on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 10:10:59 AM EST
    Hieronymus Bosch painting.

    Yup, the most notable thing about the (none / 0) (#7)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 09:41:30 AM EST
    Finance Committee vote is that we are finally getting it over with and moving on.

    I'm blown the f*ck out... (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 10:11:06 AM EST
    this morning bugging on these Ryan Bingham lyrics to "Hey Hey Hurrah" and have to share them, here's a taste, check out the rest...this must be shared...heavy sh*t.  Buy this record.

    "Hey hey what can you say, the big man spends your hard earned pay,
    Yellow brick roads have turned to clay, choking blue collars to a dollar a
    Hey hey what can say, shut your mouth or get the way,
    Speak your mind or go insane, it's a choice that you can make
    How long can you get a long, do ya really need to drop them bombs,
    Write your words down on a bong, roll that joint and smoke this song"

    It's good... (none / 0) (#10)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 10:25:13 AM EST
    ...that you have something to take your mind off of that crushing defeat at the hands of the Miami Marine Animals last night!  

    Here we beat the evil Patriots for you and the J-E-T-S don't take advantage of it...


    Great music... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 10:45:16 AM EST
    trumps even my beloved football...I was so blown away by this Bingham cat Mile I didn't even look for a score till this morning.

    Reading the recap in the paper...the vaunted defense sh*t the bed against the wildcat.  San-chise bouncing back with a solid game is encouraging though.

    How did the isotopes treat ya?  Not too too bad I hope.


    Braylan looked good too... (none / 0) (#12)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 10:52:34 AM EST
    ...so there's that.  The change of cities must be treating him right.  And, who wouldn't be glad to get out of the Mistake by the Lake.  

    Oh man, I've still got a touch of radiation poisoning.  They neglected to tell me not to take my BP meds beforehand, so they had a real hard time getting me up to the target heart rate.  Darn near broke their treadmill--they'd never had it going as fast or on such an incline.  The thing was literally smoking when I got off.  The upside is that I'm in pretty darn good shape for someone in my condition.  

    The downside was the two radioactive injections plus the two 25 minutes x-ray sessions.  And the needle--can't forget that nasty little bit.


    Hang in there, kiddo. n/t (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by oldpro on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 11:34:56 AM EST
    Don't really have... (none / 0) (#20)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 11:47:44 AM EST
    ...any other choice.  But, thanks!

    Did you catch any of the President's Cup this weekend?  Good stuff!  Looked like a fun course--especially the ball-eating cyprus trees.  

    Wouldn't mind playing a round there if I'm ever back out in SF.


    Saw a bit of PC on Saturday (none / 0) (#53)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 11:41:56 AM EST
    but my kid came up from Seattle Sunday...a beautiful Indian Summer day...so out for brunch and a drive around town to see the fall colors and catch up on family drama.  Not much, for a change!

    It's all good, except my friends are dropping like flies these days...two more this month.  Sigh...good thing I've taken Katherine Graham's advice to "make younger friends" or I wouldn't have many left.


    Good advise. (none / 0) (#54)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:06:28 PM EST
    I've always been the eldest in my circle of friends.  Keeps you young as well as having people to hang around with.  

    Not to mention being first one to drive, first one to drink, first one to feel the effects of getting old, first one to...


    After marrying a man (none / 0) (#55)
    by oldpro on Wed Oct 14, 2009 at 01:33:49 PM EST
    13 years my senior, I gained a lot of older friends, so I was often the youngest.  Most of them are gone now, including my husband of almost 30 years (and they said it wouldn't last).  I kept many of my own friends, tho, and made new and younger ones as the years went by, through work, volunteer activities, politics...the usual.  As a single/widow since '88, I was free from many other obligations to do that.

    So far, so good.


    I hope I have... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 10:58:37 AM EST
    your brand of perserverance if and when I'm put to the test...I tip my cap to you sir.

    Sorry about the Rockies...but making the playoffs is an accomplishment, be proud.  And I thoroughly enjoyed the Broncos big win...muchas gracias.


    Yeah... (none / 0) (#14)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 11:03:02 AM EST
    ...it was a tough way to end the season.  But, they did much better than most everyone thought they would this year, so we'll take solice in that.  Besides, Spring Training will be here before you know and that hope will spring eternal once again.  

    Go Phils, beat those Dodgers!

    Between the Bronco's and the Hawkeyes, I'm pretty happy with the state of my football teams right now!  They both just keep finding ways to win...


    Your first paragraph rings true. (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 11:10:52 AM EST
    Speaking of ringing... (none / 0) (#18)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 11:40:26 AM EST
    ...how about your "little man Tate" getting his bell rung on Saturday?  Have to wonder if he's got what it takes to last through 4 years of Big Ten football.  

    Heck of a ballgame though--had me on the edge of my seat.  Oh, and I didn't wear my lucky scrubs either, so I guess superstition doesn't factor in.


    Well, see, I went to an artwalk and ended (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 11:47:06 AM EST
    up at a pub with two TVs on.  One was Iowa beating Mich, end of third quarter I think.  The other was Gators v. LSU.  I couldn't see either TV well, except when I hopped up periodically to check both scores.  What mistakes did Forcier make?  

    He got yanked... (none / 0) (#22)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 11:51:01 AM EST
    ...in the 4th Quarter after a bad series which concluded with an interception.  Coach didn't know that he had a concussion apparently.  

    The next Tebow? (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 11:55:21 AM EST
    Heracy! (none / 0) (#26)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 12:10:17 PM EST
    There's only one The One.

    He'd fit right in... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 02:17:21 PM EST
    He strikes me as more observational than preachy...and there was this one line I loved...can't find it documented, maybe it was an ad-lib...it went something like..."I could sign up for welfare, but I'd rather lay down in a pine box than sell my heart to this wasteland."

    Definitely... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 02:28:28 PM EST
    keep your eye out for this guy sarc...and "The Dead Horses" are sick...especially the bass player...boombastic, and I think he borrowed an amp from Spinal Tap because that f*cker had to be on "11".

    Yeah man, I'd love to see this guy. (none / 0) (#49)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 03:33:02 PM EST
    I want to read (none / 0) (#16)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 11:29:16 AM EST
    a full transcript, but judging by the TPM liveblog this seems significant:

    12:23 p.m.: Lincoln lays out a warning. "My support here does not [ensure] my support for the final product," she says. If the final bill doesn't control costs, protect seniors, etc., she reserves the right to vote against it.

    No mention of the public option eh?  Gooooood...

    Hooray for Goldman Sachs (none / 0) (#21)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 11:48:37 AM EST
    They earned themselves a $23Billion pot for this year's bonuses!!

    Great news for... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 12:05:04 PM EST
    Tri-state coke dealers and high-end strip joints!

    And so it goes in the new (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 01:12:48 PM EST
    Service Economy.

    CNN.com headlines (none / 0) (#29)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 01:16:29 PM EST
    Always some good laughers there. Today:

    Discord among Dems nothing new, experts say

    Attacks, death and cocaine in a blender

    Cheney gets serious with Obama attacks

    I think Cheney attacks are this administration's version of terror alerts.

    That last line is my own (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 01:17:37 PM EST
    Not giving CNN credit for that profound insight.

    more like (none / 0) (#31)
    by CST on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 01:24:02 PM EST
    Cheney attacks are this administration's version of an Osama Bin Laden video.  Grainy video of evil mastermind trying to sway public opinion.

    credit to the daily show.


    That's good (none / 0) (#33)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 01:27:00 PM EST
    Equally effective at rallying the base. Whenever I get mad at Obama, a Cheney attack on him brings me right back around.

    few things work better (none / 0) (#36)
    by CST on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 01:31:29 PM EST
    for me too.  The enemy of mine enemy... and all that.

    So I clicked the Cheney link (none / 0) (#32)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 01:24:46 PM EST
    and it is Liz Cheney...have to confess I did not see that one coming. I forget that she is someone people pay attention to, for some unfathomable reason.

    You read it here first. She will be the (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 01:29:09 PM EST
    first female GOP candidate for President.

    She's even more radical (none / 0) (#37)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 01:34:40 PM EST
    than her dad.  We'll get our first Secretary of Torture too.

    Do you actually think (none / 0) (#38)
    by Steve M on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 01:53:21 PM EST
    that she will be the nominee someday?

    The first female Republican to be a "candidate" in the sense of having her name placed in nomination at a party convention was the distinguished Margaret Chase Smith, in 1964.

    Do you think the GOP will have a woman on the top of the ticket before the Democratic Party does?


    I do. (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 02:18:10 PM EST
    Are the principles of Democracy and (none / 0) (#39)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 01:55:37 PM EST
    Zero Tolerance compatible?

    I am frequently stunned by the ignorance.

    All "zero tolerance" is... (none / 0) (#42)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 02:26:39 PM EST
    compatible with is authoritarianism...shake me when we have a zero-tolerance for zero-tolerance policy.

    Where I'm from tolerance is a virtue.


    Nothing says a straight A student (none / 0) (#43)
    by oculus on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 02:28:00 PM EST
    in first grade who sometimes wears a dress shirt and tie to school just because he wants to couldn't misuse a knife at school.  How long is the blade?  

    Agree with zero tolerance but not the mandatory penalty. Just confiscate the knife and call the parents unless investigation reveals threats to harm self or others.


    And we got this kid... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 02:32:46 PM EST
    who might miss out on his dream because of zero-tolerance...in this case the knife is definitely not defined as a weapon under NY State law...I seriously doubtthe first graders is under Delaware law...or else Delaware is shot.  

    It's so hard to sit back and watch this stuff (none / 0) (#48)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 02:48:14 PM EST
    go on.

    I should have been more clear (none / 0) (#46)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 02:33:38 PM EST
    I have no problem with them taking away the swiss army knife. I have a huge problem with them treating our children with zero tolerance.

    Why even take the knife?.... (none / 0) (#47)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 02:39:16 PM EST
    Like you can't stab somebody in the eye with a pencil?  Never mind a compass.

    However, a school board member said (none / 0) (#50)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 03:37:35 PM EST
    However, a school board member said Tuesday that Zachary is likely to get a reprieve.

    He said the board will likely amend the policy Tuesday night and that any change would be retroactive to the beginning of the school year.

    Board member John Mackenzie said that teachers and administrators need the freedom to use their commonsense when it's obvious that a child presents no danger.

    This story made the AM news in LA.

    I think people are pretty reasonable most of the time when shown the error of some regulation or another.

    Most of the time...


    It made the AM news in Seattle (none / 0) (#52)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 04:48:36 PM EST
    That's the ONLY reason the boy is winning this.