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Are Republicans The Closers In Presidential Elections?

GOP blogger Patrick Ruffini argues that:

[W]hen the apolitical Republican base intensifies, usually in September (and as late as late October in the losing '92 and '96 races), they usually leave the media scratching their heads about where the previous 16 months of self-delusion went. In every election in the last 20 years save for 2000, the Democrat looked better in June than they did on Election Day. And it's looking like that will be the case again in 2008.

Is that accurate? Not really. David Paul Kuhn of Politico looked at Gallup polling in July in Presidential elections of the last 20 years and found that the results show a mixed bag:

2004: Kerry 46 percent - Bush 44 percent . . . John Kerry looked solid at this point, holding a slim edge despite his fateful March comment that he "actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it." But the Swift Boat offensive was yet to come.

2000: Bush 45 percent - Gore 36 percent (Dates 6/23-6/25)

The CNN/Gallup weighting of likely voters had George W. Bush ahead by even more: 52 percent to 39 percent. But that lead would evaporate over time as Al Gore climbed back and ended up winning the popular vote by a half-million votes, only to lose the electoral vote.

1996: Clinton 51 percent - Dole 35 percent (Dates 6/27-6/30) Though at 51 percent in the Gallup poll, President Bill Clinton ultimately fell short of the 50 percent mark he so dearly desired, leaving Jimmy Carter as the last Democrat to win a majority. Sen. Bob Dole’s decision in May to resign from the Senate and seek the presidency the “hard way” provided him with only a fleeting uptick in the polls. Clinton won by 8 percentage points.

1992: Bush 32 percent - Clinton 31 percent - Perot 28 percent (Dates 7/9-7/10) Though this poll suggested something close to a dead heat, a large sample size mid-June poll actually showed Ross Perot ahead of the pack and Clinton in a distant third.

1988: Dukakis 47 percent - Bush 41 percent (Dates 7/8-7/10) By late July, following the Democratic National Convention, Michael Dukakis had expanded his lead to almost 17 percentage points. Then it all fell apart for the Democratic nominee. By Election Day, Dukakis had been framed effectively as a “card carrying liberal,” an effete Boston elitist who opposed the Pledge of Allegiance and supported furloughs for murderers. George H. W. Bush won comfortably, by 7 percentage points.

In 1992 and 2000, the Democratic candidate significantly outperformed the summer polling. In 1996, Bill Clinton was an incumbent and basically held his polling position to win in a nearly 9 point landslide.

In 2004, the polls showed a tight race in the summer and a tight race it was, even after Bush jumped to a double digit lead in September 2004, as Kerry closed the gap dramatically after Labor Day. No late surge for the GOP in 2004.

The best data point for Ruffini's theory is 1988, when Dukakis' lead evaporated steadily, disappearing entirely by September and stretching to a double digit deficit by October. In fact, Dukakais closed the gap in the last week to lose by 7 and half.

1988 was the year that Bush 41 ran for Ronald Reagan's Third Term. Even after Iran-Contra, Ronald Reagan's average approval rating in 1988 was 53% (Bush 41 garnered 53.5% of the vote in the 1988 election.) George W. Bush has an approval rating of 30% at best. 2008 is not 1988. The fundamentals are so bad for the Republicans this year, that it really would be a minor miracle for McCain to win this election.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    I think the closer is usually whoever is behind (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:40:55 AM EST
    Ultimately, the country's pretty closely divided, and most people come home to the party they usually support the more they learn about the candidates.

    From your mouth to God's ear (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by litigatormom on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:42:43 AM EST
    I think Obama is off balance and unfocused.  The media buzz about Palin may continue to boost McCain's standing in the polls for a while. With every day that the media and the candidates talk focus on Palin, McCain's polling will stay up.

    The electoral map looks better than the national popular vote polls, but while Obama is ahead or slightly ahead in more states he is not leading in enough states to get him to 270.

    I don't want to sit through another almost come from behind loss. This election is going to be close, but Obama should be leading and he needs to simultaneously push his positive agenda and take McCain down on the issues, and not in general terms.

    the reason the electoral (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by TimNCGuy on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:48:44 AM EST
    map lookos better right now is because there have been few, if any, new state level polls since the end of the conventions.

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    RCP has new (none / 0) (#26)
    by airwon on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:44:30 AM EST
    state polls from Fox/Rasmussen-post convention. And it looks mixed. Pennsylvania Obama +2 Ohio McCain +7 Florida Tied Virginia McCain +2 Colorado Obama +3 RCP

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    The message of McCain/Palin lying taking hold (none / 0) (#34)
    by magster on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:06:14 AM EST
    and the plateauing of the McCain bounce in Rasmussen tracking poll, I'm feeling better today than I did yesterday.

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    The (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:46:50 AM EST
    fundamentals aren't going to matter when you have a candidate who doesn't think there's anything wrong with the opposition, or rather has spent months talking about how we should "hold hands with them".

    And since Obama seems to agree with McCain on more and more issues I don't see that the fundamentals are really helping him. The fact that this is even a close race should worry people. IMO, the reason it is close is that the GOP put up their strongest candidate and we put up our weakest.

    And you have to remember that McCain is running as an independent not as a Republican. I don't think any of his ads have Republican on them. The yard signs I have seen don't have it either.

    The elections is about "McCain the maverick independent" vs. "Obama for America".

    on the nose (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by ccpup on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:07:48 AM EST
    It seems almost impossible to believe, but McCain really ISN'T running, in most people's minds, as a Republican!  The cultural shorthand, the branding, of him as a Maverick has been and still is so effective that most don't look at him as a continuation of the Republican politics of the last 8 years.

    And, with his choice of Palin -- someone also fairly easy to sell as a Maverick --, this branding becomes even stronger.

    Therefore, Team Obama is going to have to be A LOT more effective than they have been in re-directing this conversation.  I've seen no evidence that they're up to it, so I have no reason to believe they'll actually be able to do it.

    In fact, Obama now seems slightly obsessed with Palin taking his Media Darling status as well as McCain-Palin taking his Change Mantra.  Maybe if he stops talking about Palin and focuses on McCain, there may be a chance he can stop his obvious slide in the Polls.  

    But if Media Darling and Change were the only strategies Team Obama had in their GE Playbook -- and I'm beginning to strongly suspect they were and the internal flow charts aren't where they're "supposed to be" right now --, the Dems are royally screwed.

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    BTD, it may not be true ... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:54:20 AM EST
    but if you're a Democrat, and having been following presidential elections for any length of time, it certainly feels that way.

    ;)

    What I think about it (5.00 / 5) (#9)
    by rooge04 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:00:31 AM EST
    is this:

    Democrats are the REAL party of populism. Once September rolls around, the GOP takes the mantle of populism and convinces the American public that they are the true party of populism. It happens almost every time and every time it happens the Republicans win. It's happening now.  

    Somehow (well we know how) the Dems are coming off like snobs while the GOP has once again managed to make itself the party "of regular people."  The only time it failed was in 1992 and 1996. When Bill took the mantle from them and won both times.

    Agreed (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Cairo Faulkner on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:14:21 AM EST
    And WJC was vociferous in his populism. Did he actually say 'I feel your pain', or is that political myth?

    In any case, he really went for it. Obama had that opportunity I think: he made the great speeches, drew the crowds - the potential was there for him to be the people's candidate. And for a while he was, but then he became the front-runner, and Hillary became the real people's candidate, but alas too late.

    Now McCain has stolen that mantle, and he's got Palin the Hocky Mom next to him, and they are presenting themselves as the Original Mavericks. I don't think two months is long enough to destroy McCain's long-enduring perception as an independent.

    That said, RealClearPolitics have got a map up here. I agree with the allocation of those states - McCain is marginally down in Florida, but not enough, and he's actually up in Ohio and Virginia. However, RCL have given Colorado to Obama, and that is what lets him win (Obama/Biden 273, McCain/Palin 265). Take CO away, and it's Obama/Biden 264, McCain/Palin 274. I recall Jeralyn saying a few days ago that she thinks CO is lost to the GOP.

    Anyone have any thoughts?

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    My thought/worry is that the 3 point lead (none / 0) (#17)
    by tigercourse on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:21:35 AM EST
    in Colorado comes after the Dems held their convention there. Before the convention, Ras had McCain up one. Several other polling companies had McCain up. If the Colorado convention bounce fades, Obama might be behind again.

    In mid August 2004 Rasmussen had Kerry and McCain tied in Colorado.

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    isn't Obama ahead (none / 0) (#18)
    by ccpup on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:24:05 AM EST
    in CO by something like 0.3?  If so, that's hardly anything amounting to a lead.  And if Jeralyn suspect CO is lost to the Republicans -- and she's speaking as someone who is both politically active and lives there --, then it probably is.

    It's possible Obama may edge out a win with the Popular Vote, but lose the Electoral College.  Or it's possible McCain could win both handily.  We have yet to see what's in the GOP's 527 box, so ... who knows?

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    ah, (none / 0) (#19)
    by ccpup on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:26:00 AM EST
    just saw Obama's up by 1 point.  I must have been remembering an average or something from last week.

    My apologies.

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    I don't see any (none / 0) (#20)
    by TimNCGuy on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:29:41 AM EST
    new poll for CO listed on RealClearPolitics at all.  The latest number listed there was from Agu 26th, before the end of either convention.

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    Rasmussen came out with a poll (none / 0) (#22)
    by tigercourse on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:35:29 AM EST
    yesterday that had Obama up 3 in Colorado.

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    i just wish (none / 0) (#33)
    by TimNCGuy on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:03:33 AM EST
    RCP would be a bit quicker about updating.  I think there were new state level polls in several swing states yesterday.  But, I still don't see any on RCP yet.

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    There's always (none / 0) (#28)
    by WS on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:51:41 AM EST
    the combination of Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada when all else fails.  Assuming O keeps all the 2004 blue states (including NH), getting those three states will garner 269-269.  The House would decide the winner in that scenario.  

    Iowa and NM are polling well but Nevada is the wildcard.  I hope Hispanics come out in force in Nevada.

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    How... (none / 0) (#47)
    by Cairo Faulkner on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 06:01:13 PM EST
    ...would the House decide? On what criteria? Popular vote?

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    I wouldn't be surprised (none / 0) (#32)
    by massdem on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:59:15 AM EST
    if NH ultimately goes for McCain.

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    Nor would I (none / 0) (#44)
    by Southsider on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 12:34:35 PM EST
    I still think that structural factors make it favor Obama -- and if any other GOP candidate than NH's favorite out-of-state son McCain were on the ticket I wouldn't be writing this comment -- but McCain's genuine affinity for retail politics and townhall interaction has made NH a dicey proposition.  Still, it's only 4EVs.

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    Absolutely (none / 0) (#12)
    by Dave B on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:09:06 AM EST
    Dead on.  Not only economic populism, but cultural populism.

    And what's up with Republicans always having the latest convention?  Obama has a great convention, McCain steps all over it with the Palin nomination.  Then McCain has his convention and off it is the Big Mo rolling.

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    The party that holds the white house (none / 0) (#14)
    by tigercourse on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:12:23 AM EST
    traditionally goes last.

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    Obama gave up the Dem. populist position (none / 0) (#40)
    by jeffhas on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:20:32 AM EST
    Democrats close when they find (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:11:29 AM EST
    their inner Harry Truman. (Unless they're Bill Clinton--but only he is he).

    I don't know if Obama has it in him.

    Obama should (none / 0) (#29)
    by WS on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:55:23 AM EST
    do a combination of Hillary's "fighter" theme and Gore's "people vs. the powerful."  Obama has to come up with own version of the populist theme; perhaps tying the populist theme with his Change message to make it seamless.    

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    I think it was the Big Dawg that said once (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by athyrio on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:41:28 AM EST
    that Democrats.... fall in love and Republicans... fall  in line.....

    Except... (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by haner on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:50:23 AM EST
    I'm not feeling the love for Obama.  Still trying to like him, but it's hard.  The guy doesn't pull my heart, he's too aloof.  When he talks about the ills of our country right now he sounds like he's just going through the motions.  Where's the passion?

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    But (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by WS on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:57:59 AM EST
    many people fell in love with Hillary including me.  There was even a person who said "I love you Hillary" at the O Tampa rally yesterday.  Hillary said I love you back :).

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    well (none / 0) (#35)
    by connecticut yankee on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:08:03 AM EST
    I'm trying to hire Obama because I want a rational thinker and a steady hand in the job. If I want my heartstrings plucked I'll go watch Lifetime.

    I voted Hillary but she never plucked my heartstrings in her fight. Only in defeat, like Gore. Maybe she can get a Supreme Court seat out of this thing.

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    Hillary (5.00 / 3) (#38)
    by WS on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:14:03 AM EST
    is Presidential material.

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    ya (5.00 / 0) (#42)
    by connecticut yankee on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:34:36 AM EST
    Well, ya I agree. I voted for her.

    I also think Obama is.

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    IMO (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:19:58 AM EST
    It's worse than "going through the emotions". It's like attending a lecture.

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    heh (5.00 / 0) (#30)
    by connecticut yankee on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:57:20 AM EST
    Yeah, the flip out on message boards is unwarranted.  If McCain's bounce settles out where it is now, I'm not unhappy with that.

    Ive got a raise coming next week and plan to drop another $500 on Obama.  If you are worried then just go throw money at it until you feel better.

    I sense we are...... (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Kefa on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:11:59 AM EST
    blowing the election again when we had it.

    The Democrats don't understand political (5.00 / 7) (#41)
    by esmense on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:23:08 AM EST
    argument or what makes an effective attack.

    For example, look at what is happening on the campaign trail right now: McCain and Palin are undermining Obama's claim to being a "change" agent by, among other things, stressing that he has asked for "almost a billion dollars in earmarks." It's a dramatic, attention getting point because that's a LOT of taxpayer dollars. But more important -- that assertion defines "change" on McCain's terms, terms that work for him because he has a consistent history of both railing against earmarks and of not requesting them for his own state.

    So, while McCain and Palin are making both an argument against earmarks and a dramatic attack on Obama's use of them, what is Obama doing?

    He's REACTING to the personal attack rather than to the political argument. He is telling voters that McCain and Palin's earmark arguments indicate they "think you're stupid" because Palin has a record of seeking hefty earmarks for her state.

    The difference here is dramatic; McCain is arguing, first and foremost, that voters are being harmed by a corruption and abuse, as defined by him. And he is providing a dramatic example of how his opponent is participating in that abuse. He is saying; 1) "Vote for me because I will stop the corruption and abuse of your tax dollars. 2) My opponent won't stop the corruption because he is, in fact, corrupt."

    Obama, on the other hand, by criticizing Palin for requesting earmarks, is accepting McCain's definition of corruption. He is ignoring the important political argument, about the use of tax payer dollars, and weakly responding to the personal charge that he is corrupt by arguing that his opponent's running mate is corrupt too  While McCain is asking people to vote for him because he will end "corruption," Obama is asking voters to vote for him because doing otherwise means they're "stupid."

    McCain is NOT just making a "character attack." He is making an appeal to the voters' self interest (he'll make sure their tax dollars aren't wasted on earmarks).

    Obama IS just making a character attack; he is arguing for votes on the basis of his opponents' hypocrisy, rather than making a clear point about how he will serve the voters' interest.

    McCain's is really the stronger argument. It addresses a voter concern. Obama's argument -- that his opponents are hypocrites -- is easy to dismiss (as partisan name calling) because it doesn't offer much more than a defense of his personal political interest.

    I think it is the effect of the 527's (none / 0) (#2)
    by athyrio on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:41:59 AM EST
    or whatever you call the negative advertising that starts about now before the general election...they always seem to wait till the last to bring out the heavy guns...Get ready because they will indeed start popping out any day now, as early voting in some states is in just a couple of weeks...

    Define "closer" (none / 0) (#4)
    by BrianJ on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:45:49 AM EST
    For this study to be useful now, we'd have to look at how the race changed between Labor Day and Election Day.  Do that and I believe you find that:

    2004-  Bush had a narrow lead and kept it, neither gaining nor losing much.
    2000-  Bush had a narrow lead and lost it, but not quite by enough to lose the Electoral College.
    1996-  Clinton lost several points of his lead, but not enough to alter the outcome.
    1992-  I'm not sure this is really comparable due to the Perot factor, but Clinton lost most of his lead in October only to get it back in the final week.
    1988-  As you noted, Bush blew much of his lead against Dukakis, but not enough to change the result.
    1984-  Reagan's lead actually increased against Mondale, nearly producing the ultimate humiliation for the Minnesotan.
    1980-  Reagan surged from a near-tie to win 43 states.
    1976-  Carter blew nearly all of a double-digit lead.

    Only two Democratic gains down the stretch (1988 and 2000), five slippages (1976, 1980, 1984, 1992, 1996), and one with no real change (2004).

    Wrong (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 09:52:04 AM EST
    In 2004, Bush had a wide lead on Labor Day and lost most of it.

    In 2000, Bush had a narrow lead on Labor Day and lost it.

    In 1996, Clinton was the incumbent and held all of his support.

    In 1992, Clinton was behind in the summer, ahead on Labor Day and won comfortably by 5 points on Election Day.

    I agree with your other characterizations, but find no relevance to 1984, which was a blowout and the only thing in doubt was what the number would be - 14 or 20. In 1980, Reagan won the last debate became acceptable and Carter, as the incumbent polling at around 45, was doomed.

    So I basically disagree with your comment.

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    Sometimes numbers mean something (none / 0) (#16)
    by fercryinoutloud on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:15:51 AM EST
    In this case they are meaningless because there are so many dynamics in play that are not reflected in the numbers.

    The two authors of the number crunching just did an exercise to fill space in a publication but that is about it. Their narrow minded number crunching means nothing. What wins elections is not reflected by the final numbers, they are reflected all the sometimes simple and sometimes complex dynamics that final numbers cannot in themselves explain.

    Bottomline is those numbers are predictors of nothing.

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    Oh and Perot (none / 0) (#10)
    by rooge04 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:03:02 AM EST
    syphoned more votes from Bush than Clinton, actually. So that argument doesn't hold, either.

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    Confused my own (none / 0) (#21)
    by rooge04 on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:35:12 AM EST
    line. He took more votes from Bill. And Bill still won.

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    Go back further (none / 0) (#23)
    by Nevart on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:37:10 AM EST
    I agree the Obama campaign has been a little flummoxed lately -- the media embrace of Palin has juiced the GOP ticket.  But as they say, a day is a lifetime in politics, and it's a little silly to be freaked out in the second week of September, or to assume that Obama & Co. will remain flummoxed.  Their counter-Maverick ad, released yesterday, is a great example of punching back and punching through.  McCain's attempt to put on the "change" mantle is going to be a Herculean one, especially in places like Michigan and Ohio, which have been bleeding jobs.

    There is still every reason to be optimistic.  There is no realistic prospect, in my mind, that McCain wins any of the states that went for Kerry in '04, except perhaps NH, and that's highly doubtful.  Iowa and NM are solidly Obama's.  McCain has to "run the table" -- he can't afford to lose a single significant state, whether OH, VA, FL, CO.  Obama has a reasonable path to victory without winning OH or FL; Mccain has none.

    Speaking of closing, I'm old enough to remember 1968 (I was 15) when Democrats, notwithstanding being horribly divided after a primary season that made this last one seem serene and pleasant and a war that split the country in two, in the end came home (mostly) -- and Nixon just squeaked through.

    That being said, it's always tough to predict what will happen when a significant portion of the country's electorate is credulous enough to believe stuff like a decorated war hero being in fact some kind of coward who didn't earn the medals he was rewarded -- so we'll just have to see.

    My only regret is that living in Washington State, I won't be seeing Obama & Co. during the campaign, since he'll win this state by 10 points, at least.

    Well, (none / 0) (#36)
    by JAB on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:10:04 AM EST
    According to RCP, McCain is up in OH by 1.3, and Ras has McCain up by 7 in Ohio (51-44).

    Michigan is home to the Reagan Democrats, which are seeing a resurgence. (Obama has had some troubles of late in Michigan as well because a conservative 527 has started airing commercials showing Obama talking about how great a mayor Kwame Kilpatrick was for Detroit).

    McCain might be able to appeal to workers in MI and OH - all have Democratic governors who might (fairly or not) get assigned some of the economic blame.  

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    I agree on the effect (none / 0) (#24)
    by AlSmith on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 10:41:24 AM EST

    but I have a couple of quibbles with Ruffini's analysis. True the after glow of the last convention last longer but I think Bush had a sustained elevation because of Memogate, which I think was in September. Also Bush's last minute sag in 2000 was probably due to that DUI Nov Surprise.

    I think in general what we are talking about this year is the effect of why elections are cyclical combined with Kaus's 'faster thesis'.  

    Usually the party that is winning starts thinking that they can get away with anything and start taking unpopular positions to please their base. They think they can go with a dream candidate or the insider who deserves it. They can afford to hold purges and dream of sectarian dreams (like defunding the the Department of Education)

    The party that has been losing eventually says "we've got to stop squabbling and pick one guy and get behind only him". Eventually they win and become over confident and the cycle repeats.  

    This year the Democrats from some reason assumed that they were the winning party based on the mid-terms and cocooning web sites and skipped the phase where they actually win first. The Republicans sort of assumed the out of power role and have been solidifying, even though none of them actually like McCain (think about Coulter, National Review and Limbaugh's attitude to him).

    There are an a lot of examples of this but the the VP choice comes to mind. Obama didnt pick the runner up like Reagan did with Bush because he assumed he was going to win.

    Since election fraud... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Dadler on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 11:41:07 AM EST
    ...was the deciding factor in the last two elections, logic says THAT is what they are good at when closing time comes.

    More heads in the sand, please.  And a clean fork.

    I know this is probably heresy... (none / 0) (#45)
    by Southsider on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 12:46:50 PM EST
    ...but I in no way believe that election fraud had anything to do with Bush's victory in 2004.  As nut-crushing as it is to admit, he won OH fair and square, and Kerry blew it by wasting too much time and money in Missouri and Florida (both of which went solid Red).  

    I will admit that my views are the sorts of things that are only available to me upon time and reflection.  After the anger and bitterness faded away, the complicated truth remained and that's where I think the chips fall.

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    margin too much (none / 0) (#46)
    by AlSmith on Tue Sep 09, 2008 at 01:19:09 PM EST

    Bush won by 2M votes. No point in refighting old elections.

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