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USA Today/Gallup Poll: Obama "Significantly Hurt" by Wright

USA Today reports on its new poll conducted with Gallup:

Barack Obama's national standing has been significantly damaged by the controversy over his former pastor, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds, raising questions for some voters about the Illinois senator's values, credibility and electability.

The erosion of support among Democrats and independents raises the stakes in Tuesday's Indiana and North Carolina primaries, which represent a chance for Obama to reassert his claim to a Democratic nomination that seems nearly in his grasp.

The numbers:

In the USA TODAY survey, taken Thursday through Saturday, Clinton leads Obama among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents by 7 percentage points, the first time in three months she has been ahead. Two weeks ago, before the controversy over comments by Jeremiah Wright reignited, Obama led by 10 points.

Then there's this:

Eight of 10 Americans have been following [the Rev. Wright controversy] most of them closely...Just 1% of likely voters say Obama's links to Wright make them more likely to support him.

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    Where is Rev. Wright? (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by ChuckieTomato on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:03:03 AM EST
    That is the question. Haven't heard from him in a while

    Maybe some sensible people took him aside (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by dianem on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:40:10 AM EST
    ... and pointed out to him that he was sabotaging the campaign of the man who might be the first black President. This would not increase his prestige among the black community. He had his fun, and he will have more. The real question is whether his ego will allow him to sit quietly for the next 6 months.

    [ Parent ]
    well but then again (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:21:39 AM EST
    he could pave the way for the first woman President.

    [ Parent ]
    He AND Al Sharpton (none / 0) (#95)
    by BarnBabe on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:41:02 AM EST
    Did anything happen last Wednesday In NY? The day he was shutting the city down?

    [ Parent ]
    NYC shut down in THIS Wednesday (none / 0) (#152)
    by stefystef on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:36:33 AM EST
    May 7th.  And Obama hasn't said anything else about Sean Bell since the initial unsolicited statement.  

    If Obama is so concerned with the inner city crime problem, he needs to go back to Chicago and address the killing spree going on there over the last couple of weeks.

    One wonders what issue will Obama use to pander next?

    [ Parent ]

    Thanks (none / 0) (#175)
    by BarnBabe on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:19:43 PM EST
    I was assuming that it was right after the trial. 10 days later? Interesting.

    [ Parent ]
    He's on TV all day, that's where (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by cymro on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:51:00 AM EST
    Every time I scanned through the cable news channels today, a Rev. Wright clip or discussion was playing on at least one of them. So it does not seem to matter where he is, his influence is everywhere now.

    [ Parent ]
    even today he was? (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:22:50 AM EST
    Was that on local or national tv?  And was this just on FOX?  I must say, once again I am surprised at the legs.  Swift boats part deux.

    [ Parent ]
    I read that FOX (none / 0) (#167)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon May 05, 2008 at 12:13:40 PM EST
    is exposing the Million Man March with Farrakhan, Wright and Obama in the organization group. And, of course, Obama in attendance.

    That, alone, doesn't bother me.  But, Obama had a good opportunity to stand up and explain his connection to these people and his church the first time Wright came out in the news. Instead, he distracted the media and his followers with a speech on racism.

    Many more things are bound to surface after 20 years in that church. Obama was clearly a "favored son" of the pastor and there has to be plenty for him to tell.  It's the secrecy and the attempt to hide who he is that I find so problematic.


    [ Parent ]

    Under the bus? (5.00 / 4) (#59)
    by lambert on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:38:04 AM EST
    Your voice gets pretty muffled from under the bus.

    [ Parent ]
    Payback (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by mmc9431 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:31:52 AM EST
    IMO Obama used Wright to gain influence in the AA church community and undercut the Clinton's popularity there. Once he did this for him, Obama cut him out. I can understand Wright calling him a "politician". He is one. I can also understand the bitterness in Wright at having been used by someone you had considered a long time friend. After all, it wasn't Wright who changed, it was Obama. Wright served no useful purpose anymore.

    [ Parent ]
    Right on! (none / 0) (#151)
    by stefystef on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:34:23 AM EST
    I agree with your post.  You hit the Obama/Wright relationship right on the head.

    Wright has been using black community leaders and churches to move quickly into politics.  Barry is a user.  Barak is a uniter.  So who is who?

    The mask is slipping...

    [ Parent ]

    Obermann took (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by Lahdee on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:45:27 AM EST
    him into a room. They drank koolaide with bitters.

    [ Parent ]
    He's busy working. . . (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:57:45 AM EST
    on his book, due for fall '08 publication.

    [ Parent ]
    Rev Wright is not coming (none / 0) (#107)
    by alforhil on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:05:06 AM EST
    Rev.Wright and BO are in it together folks. I suspected this all along. There was no othere reason but to offer a platform for Obama to denounce him completly, that he bombarded into limelight for 3 consecutive days . it is all a set up. If not for the egotistic person that he is , he should have comeback with something against obama. or black church should have come up with some kind of support to wright. they did that for the previous 6 weeks. every body was making excuses for wright. why all pundits are quite now? it is all a 'Gimmick' to put wright issur to rest and severe Obama from Wright.

    I have no evidence to believe that Obama or his wife does not believe in the same values as Wirght. I ahve not seen anything in Obama's work so far that tells me he will be a president for all americans instead of only African americans.... People in NC and Indiana please wake up and put an end to this elitist , bogus campaign of BO. He will split the democratic party and this country along racial lines for sure. He has already made this race all about RACE.

    [ Parent ]

    I want to respond to your post (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:12:00 AM EST
    but after Tuesday.  Let's revisit it.  I think what you said is interesting and I am going to argue that if that was done on purpose, Obama is more naive than any of us could ever imagine.

    [ Parent ]
    In A Bunker With Dick Cheney Perhaps? (none / 0) (#138)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:56:11 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    We know... (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Marco21 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:07:46 AM EST
    Obama didn't fund a cruise for him this time.

    I actually don't know if he did that. Timing was curious, though.

    Timing, owing to his impending retirement (4.50 / 2) (#15)
    by Cream City on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:32:26 AM EST
    didn't surprise me at all.  Typical for a departing pastor to get well away for a while to get out of the way for the new pastor, to make congregants turn to the new one.  May have been a parting retirement gift.  I've seen it before and often, if from such a prosperous church.  (See its website -- a sizeable staff, and I read that it's the largest of all UCC congregations in the country.)

    [ Parent ]
    Retirement gift... (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:57:08 AM EST
    of a cruise is common, but where do you suppose a pastor gets enough money to build a brand new 10,000 sq ft monster mansion as his retirement home?  Where did that money come from? Who needs that much sq footage to maintain in retirement?

    I'm sorry he's disappeared right now. It appeared that with him on the loose we might actually start getting to the bottom of the relationship. That Newsweek article said Oprah's initial draw to that church was the network connections to the right people in Chicago. Obama certainly took a fast track up the ladder in Chicago without having to actually do anything for it.

    [ Parent ]

    Don't worry. Wright has a Fall book (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by nycstray on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:01:48 AM EST
    release.

    Timing . . .   lol!~

    [ Parent ]

    The Manuscript (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by daryl herbert on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:44:13 AM EST
    is under heavy security.  The DNC/Obama camp doesn't want it leaked ahead of schedule.

    Meanwhile, Sen. Clinton is probably hiring a team from Blackwater to hunt it down.

    [ Parent ]

    The Ironic Thing Is That Rev. Wright's (5.00 / 6) (#64)
    by MO Blue on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:05:33 AM EST
    retirement home is in a gated community. I have far left friends who can do hours on the purpose of gated communities.

    [ Parent ]
    I have a gate to my home (5.00 / 1) (#123)
    by Kathy on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:26:20 AM EST
    It's to keep out Jehovah's Witnesses and Baptist ladies in big hats.

    [ Parent ]
    We'll find out Tuesday (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by oldnorthstate on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:08:24 AM EST
    what it all really means if anything.

    Clinton wins in Indiana and NC should be enough to scare the SDs into seriously considering Hillary.

    A strong Obama showing and it is going to be hard to argue for Hillary.  

    Of course, it will likely be another of those right down the middle results where nothing is made more clear.  Unfortunately for Hillary, you don't want to be behind as the clock is running out.  

    That's true. (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Marco21 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:11:27 AM EST
    I feel a good surprise in the air for Clinton, but who knows? Maybe I am just being overly optimistic.

    [ Parent ]
    A NYT/CBS poll, published (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by litigatormom on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:33:03 AM EST
    under the headline of "Obama Survives Furor But Fall Is The Test," has a somewhat different take:

    A majority of American voters say that the furor over the relationship between Senator Barack Obama and his former pastor has not affected their opinion of Mr. Obama, but a substantial number say that it could influence voters this fall should he be the Democratic presidential nominee, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News Poll.

    In other words, poll respondents seemed to be saying that their opinions of Obama had not been changed, but believed that the Wright controversy might affect other voters in the fall:

    But nearly half of the voters surveyed, and a substantial part of the Democrats, said Mr. Obama had acted [to break with Rev. Wright] mainly because he thought it would help him politically, rather than because he had serious disagreements with his former pastor. The broader effect of the controversy on Mr. Obama's candidacy among Democratic primary voters was less clear in the poll, but enough of them expressed qualms about Mr. Obama's relationship with Mr. Wright to suggest it could sway a relatively small but potentially important group of voters in the remaining primaries.

    The relatively small number of Democrats surveyed limits the conclusions that can be drawn about the poll's findings regarding sentiment in the party. Moreover, as a national poll, it does not necessarily reflect the thoughts of voters in Indiana and North Carolina.

    [snip]

    Still, the survey suggested that Mr. Obama, of Illinois, had lost much or all of the once-commanding lead he had held over Mrs. Clinton, of New York, among Democratic voters on the question of which of them would be the strongest candidate against Mr. McCain, of Arizona.



    [ Parent ]
    Pollsters are very aware (5.00 / 2) (#104)
    by BeBe on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:02:08 AM EST
    that many respondents will answer questions that an issue will not change their opinion, but will others, is a way to state their own views without appearing politically incorrect or expressing an unpopular sentiment. This is one of the questions used to flesh out responses. It is a variation of "my friend would like to ask".

    This polling must be very disturbing to the Obama campaign. The electorate seems to be pivoting after several issues have begun to be absorbed.

    [ Parent ]

    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#118)
    by standingup on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:18:13 AM EST
    That is hardly the message that viewers of MSNBC were given today as they covered the NYT/CBS poll.  One would think that Obama has put Wright behind him and with hardly any damage to his campaign.  

    [ Parent ]
    You were watching (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by litigatormom on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:38:55 AM EST
    Morning Joe, with the increasingly annoying Mika Brzezinski? I loved it when Joe told her that she was so elitist she couldn't even listen to him explain why Clinton's gas tax proposal might be popular. "No, no, no," she repeated, shaking her had and closing her eyes as soon as Joe started talking.

    Is Mika the daughter of Zbig? Other than that, what is her raison d'etre for being in TV journalism?  It's not like she brings any economic -- or other -- expertise to the party.

    [ Parent ]

    Yes (none / 0) (#130)
    by cmugirl on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:43:25 AM EST
    She is Zbig's daughter and she used to do the very early (4 or 5 am) news on CBS.

    [ Parent ]
    Is Zbig supporting Obama? (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by litigatormom on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:54:31 AM EST
    If so, she really ought to make full disclosure on that whenever she whinges about how unfair anyone is being to Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    That Would Be The Decent Thing To Do, But (none / 0) (#139)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:02:45 AM EST
    has KO done it yet or Maddow?

    [ Parent ]
    No (none / 0) (#145)
    by litigatormom on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:17:22 AM EST
    but then neither of them have "officially" endorsed Obama.

    If Zbig is one of Obama's advisors, then the non-disclosure is really unethical.

    [ Parent ]

    Way back when (none / 0) (#169)
    by cmugirl on Mon May 05, 2008 at 12:34:03 PM EST
    When I watched "Morning Joe", she did mention it several times (plus the fact that her brother was working for the McCain campaign).

    [ Parent ]
    Really? (none / 0) (#183)
    by litigatormom on Mon May 05, 2008 at 04:05:36 PM EST
    Because she doesn't dump much on McCain.

    She ought to repeat those disclaimers from time to time.

    [ Parent ]

    In NC 17 year olds can vote (none / 0) (#6)
    by ChuckieTomato on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:13:35 AM EST
    So I don't know. That's not good news for Hillary. If they turn 18 prior to the November election they may vote. I just wonder if that is constitutionally sound because I don't know if any other states allow that.

    [ Parent ]
    My daughter was very sad to discover (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by litigatormom on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:36:28 AM EST
    that NY does not permit primary voting by 17 year olds who will be 18 by the fall election date.  She turns 18 next month.

    I am not sure there is a constitutional problem with this.  The requirement that voters be 18 years old applies to elections to political office.  Primaries are a means of selecting a candidate -- a party nominee -- for office, rather than the officerholder him/herself.

    [ Parent ]

    He does well with young voters... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Marco21 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:16:30 AM EST
    but she certainly doesn't do poorly as some make it seem, so I dunno.

    We'll see.

    [ Parent ]

    Maryland allows it (none / 0) (#9)
    by andgarden on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:16:47 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    How it happened (none / 0) (#87)
    by hlr on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:25:39 AM EST
    A 17-yr old Obama supporter,with the help of a freshman state senator and early Obama endorser (who, interestingly enough, had Jesse Jackson Jr campaigning on his behalf here)petitioned the attorney general (another early Obama endorser) who gave a favorable opinion. The state election board followed on Dec 20th.

    [ Parent ]
    I think (none / 0) (#10)
    by dissenter on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:17:10 AM EST
    It is that way in most states.

    [ Parent ]
    I had never heard that before (none / 0) (#12)
    by ChuckieTomato on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:19:26 AM EST
    It seems wrong because you are supposed to be 18. But I guess that explains why Bill has been visiting local high schools

    [ Parent ]
    ALL 17 year olds? (none / 0) (#18)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:50:34 AM EST
    Or just those who will be 18 in time to vote in the GE?  If PA is an indicator, that demographic was barely measurable in actual voters who showed up at the polls.

    Although, anyone from NC who has access to a college student...I heard college students were notified by post card they could TEXT in their votes...like American Idol voting!!  Is that true?

    [ Parent ]

    it's always easy to argue for Hillary (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:20:28 AM EST
    Obama's flaws have been exposed and they are close to fatal for general election chances regardless of how the rest of the nomination process plays out.  The Republicans probably have the entire attack plan all set to go and they will enjoy it.

    [ Parent ]
    Hmmm..... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Josey on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:50:25 AM EST
    >>>In the national survey, Clinton now leads the Democratic presidential contest, 51%-44%, a reversal from two weeks ago. Obama's standing among Democrats and Democratic leaners has dropped 6 points; Clinton's is up 11.

    However, those findings differ from a separate Gallup tracking poll of voters, which shows Obama with a narrow lead, 49%-45%. The daily tracking poll has a margin of error of +-3 points; the USA TODAY poll's margin of error is +-5 points.

    The two surveys were taken over the same days, but the tracking poll includes more interviews and a higher proportion of interviews taken on Saturday. It reflects the views of those seen as likely voters; the USA TODAY results include all Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who were called.

    [ Parent ]

    the math (5.00 / 4) (#53)
    by p lukasiak on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:15:47 AM EST
    the USA TODAY results include all Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents who were called.

    if "just Democrats" are slightly favoring Obama, but "Democrats and leaning Independents" are giving Clinton a big lead, what does this tell us about Obama's appeal to Independents?

    This consistent with what I found when comparing SUSA polls from 9 states from late February and Mid April.  During that period, Clinton had picked up indepedent support against McCain, but Obama had lost it.  Overall, Obama's advantage over Clinton (when both were matched against McCain) had dropped by 2/3...

    [ Parent ]

    Last time this happened (none / 0) (#80)
    by Marvin42 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:02:17 AM EST
    The tracking showed Hillary ahead, the poll showed Obama, in 2 days the tracking changed to reflect the poll completely.

    Your mileage may vary.

    [ Parent ]

    wow. 8 out of (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by kangeroo on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:11:30 AM EST
    10 americans, not just dem-leaning voters?  that's incredible.

    It exceeds my expectations (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:19:17 AM EST
    Maybe because I already knew a bunch of stuff about Wright within a week of the tapes coming out... I never expected the story to get this big.  When he came back out again I was like, meh.. there he is again saying the same wacky stuff.  But I think the 2nd time the story caught fire (with his 2 speeches, interview, etc) that's when a lot of people actually learned about him for the first time.

    Thank CNN and their decision to air the NAACP speech 3 times in a row for a big part of this.  Rick, Roland, and Soldedad thought they were helping.  Soledad called it a "home run" for Wright and said he was funny.

    Clueless media strikes again.

    [ Parent ]

    yeah, i had the same reaction to the (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by kangeroo on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:36:22 AM EST
    wright stuff.  i don't watch tv anymore so i'll take your word for it, but i'm kinda surprised about soledad going that far.  i mean i know she's actively involved in the aa community and all, but she's always seemed eminently reasonable to me--like she wouldn't just put her public credibility on the line like that.  then again, since the overwhelming majority of the media has been either clueless or conniving in its coverage this season, i guess i shouldn't be surprised at anything anymore.  (sigh.)

    [ Parent ]
    Honestly, it was worse than I described (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:57:59 AM EST
    what Soledad did on that night was pretty disturbing.  There should be a Youtube of it somewhere, maybe.  Her and Roland Martin stood side by side giving post-analysis dressed for the ocassion and shilling breathlessly for many minutes.

    [ Parent ]
    I was pretty stunned too (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Marvin42 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:04:22 AM EST
    Glad I was not the only one, I turned to my wife and said "and I have no idea how you call this analysis anymore" when I saw Roland Martin talking about how great the speech was. Of course I had to wait until I could pick my jaw up off the floor, because with a gaping mouth its very hard to talk.

    [ Parent ]
    Martin changed tunes after Obama denounced (5.00 / 2) (#116)
    by alforhil on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:16:00 AM EST
    The same Martin was busy throwing Wright under a 16 wheeler after st.Obama made his supposedly 'ANGRY' speech about Wright.
    I took off Msnbc from my list long back. Time to get rid of CNN too. it is bad for my own health to watch these 'Analysts'.
    IN and NC, please do the right thing and elect the most centerist candidate among these 3 . Hillary is the only one who can reinstate America's credibility and respect in the world.
    BO was talking about 'Offering carrots' to Iran along with some minor sanctions to deter them from going Nuclear!! can you belive this guy?

    I am a muslim. I know muslims appreciate and understand only toughness and bravery. any compromise will be taken as a sign of weakness and nothing noble. deterence is the only way to stop Nuke prolifiration. Hillary is absolutly right to say she will use all and any options to stop MIddle east from going neuclear. It is a nightmare scenario if they do.


    [ Parent ]

    obama will be offering carrots while Ahmmie is (none / 0) (#140)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:06:54 AM EST
    serving him poisoned tea.

    [ Parent ]
    24 hour media coverage (none / 0) (#13)
    by ChuckieTomato on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:25:02 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    ...and Nelson from the Simpsons pointed and said (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by BrandingIron on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:32:17 AM EST

    HA HAAAA!

    Interesting News About Indiana Polls (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Dan the Man on Mon May 05, 2008 at 01:57:37 AM EST
    From Insider Advantage

    "It is illegal to poll using automated calls in Indiana."

    "InsiderAdvantages Matt Towery: 'Many of the top firms are now utilizing advanced automated surveys, which have proved more reliable than traditional phone rooms this season. My guess is that the automated systems, which are used by many top firms, including ours, have provided better results because of the 'anonymity' the system provides when asking respondents to deal with an often racially charged race on the Democratic side.'"

    very interesting (none / 0) (#47)
    by Josey on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:57:52 AM EST
    perhaps BTD will weigh in.


    [ Parent ]
    must be a first amendment exception.... (none / 0) (#54)
    by p lukasiak on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:17:48 AM EST
    because I know that SUSA uses only automated polling, and they've done Indiana.

    [ Parent ]
    Sounds like they are in trouble (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by ineedalife on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:24:17 AM EST
    That IA snip linked to above states the IN Attorney General is looking into taking action against robo-pollers that have polled this race. I assume that includes SUSA.

    [ Parent ]
    Just 1% (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by facta non verba on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:01:03 AM EST
    Wow! There's more fat in skimmed milk. He is in trouble. No wonder they are all in North Carolina.

    Devastation (5.00 / 4) (#24)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:08:48 AM EST
    Even if Obama wins anything on Tuesday, it's devastation for his Presidential aspirations.  And we still have yet to hear Wright's response to the "disowning"

    He seemed to be a very proud man of deep (and flawed) convictions and it's only a matter of time before he appears in the spotlight again.

    I hear a book is coming out.

    Lastly let me note that here is a pollster who saw data so bad for Obama that even they couldn't spin it.  This particular poll really makes me question the validity of that other CBS/NYT time poll that showed Obama surging over 50%.

    Death by a Thousand Cuts (5.00 / 5) (#36)
    by ig on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:52:09 AM EST
    Unless Barrack can answer why he stayed there for 20 years, it is going to be a slow death by a thousand cuts. Even now Oprah has come out implying she left because of Wright.

    In the GE, there will be a bombardment of the trifecta of Wright, Ayers and Resko the slumlord, making not only Obama unelectable, but also pulling down everyone else downticket.

    [ Parent ]

    and the problem is the lack of experience (5.00 / 4) (#39)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 02:59:51 AM EST
    Mmybe a more formidable candidate with a bigger resume could deflect and counterbalance some of these huge flaws, but the problem for Obama is that once you get past the speeches and the potential of what could be... there is not much of a record.  If they could do what they did to Kerry and even to McCain in 2000, well you know Obama is really in trouble.

    [ Parent ]
    He can't explain it (5.00 / 6) (#57)
    by p lukasiak on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:25:21 AM EST
    at this point, he can't explain it without contradicting himself once again.

    Had he been 'honest' from the get-go, and not exploited the Wright controversy by trying to turn it into a national race issue, he had a shot at sounding credible.

    He could have said that he affiliated himself with Wright when he was young and trying to figure out what it meant to be "black in America" -- that his understanding of that had matured and moved beyond's Wrights views, but that he'd remained with

    the church
    , despite serious disagreement with Wright on many issues of race and politics in general -- that the church, its people, and its mission are what kept him at Trinity.

    But he made it about himself and Wright and race, rather his own relationship with the religous community that he was a part of.

    [ Parent ]

    I sort of thought... (5.00 / 3) (#99)
    by white n az on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:53:39 AM EST
    that it was even worse...In his 'major speech on race' which the MSM applauded so, Obama tied the Reverend Wright to the white grandmother who raised him...you remember, 'the typical white person'

    So 5 weeks later, Jeremiah Wright points out the obvious...that Wright says what he says because he's a pastor, Obama says what he says because he's a politician and to prove Wright correct, Obama then does the politician pander in the most public way...he disowns Reverend Wright showing that winning this nomination is more important than the 'white grandmother who raised him.'

    Does Obama really expect Americans to believe that it was Wright, and not the prevailing political winds, that changed overnight? - Says the Denver Post in an editorial last week

    Obama pandered and blundered but most specifically blunted any and all honest discussions of race by forcing the media to paint all who dare to discuss the politics of race as racists.

    As Wright said (and Malcolm X before him)...the chickens have come home to roost.


    [ Parent ]

    Yeah that was the problem. (none / 0) (#137)
    by Salo on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:55:59 AM EST
    twenty years ago I was a searcher...now i've matured.  

    [ Parent ]
    I agree - he can't explain it now (none / 0) (#184)
    by moll on Mon May 05, 2008 at 04:12:19 PM EST
    The real problem (apart from the obvious: lack of experience) is that he does not know or understand most Americans and so he made poor choices about what to say, when, & how. His judgment has been wrong because he is too prone to assume that other people are essentially like him - that they think like him, share his values, etc. We are alien to him, so he just doesn't know what to say to us.

    If only nobody but Ivy League grads and his chosen demographic (the one he spent twenty years studying) were voting, he'd be just fine :)

    [ Parent ]

    Death By A Thousand Cuts (5.00 / 7) (#96)
    by litigatormom on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:44:40 AM EST
    The NYT's Alessandra Stanley does a "review" of the Obama's and Clinton's performances on Meet the Potatohead and This Week with George Staphylococcus, respectively:

    Clinton Steals One Show, While Obama Endures Another

    Senator Barack Obama sat hunched on Sunday across the desk from Tim Russert on "Meet The Press" on NBC and wearily endured question after question about his relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.

    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton stood up from her armchair on Sunday to tower over George Stephanopoulos on "This Week" on ABC and merrily took on all critics, even the king of the Clinton-bashers, the talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh.

    "He's always had a crush on me," Mrs. Clinton said with a sly smile.

    Talk shows, even the more serious news programs, are never really about talk; they are about image and demeanor. Together, "Meet the Press" and its rival "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" provided an arresting tableau of the reversal of fortunes in the Democratic race. Mrs. Clinton was forceful, confident and at times even frisky as she easily deflected questions from Mr. Stephanopoulos and members of a town-hall-style meeting in Indianapolis. Mr. Obama, usually the one to see the humor in politics, instead looked grave and dispirited.



    [ Parent ]
    That Was A Great Article (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by MO Blue on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:00:51 AM EST
    I loved the part about the interplay between Hillary and Stephanopoulos. If the article was correct, the final score was Hillary 10 Stephanopoulos 0.

    [ Parent ]
    George Set Himself Up To Be Made The Fool (none / 0) (#141)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:11:10 AM EST
    And, he did a great job!!

    [ Parent ]
    Obama pandered for Wright votes (5.00 / 5) (#65)
    by Josey on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:24:34 AM EST
    when he spoke to a religious conference last summer and praised Wright as his mentor and counselor.
    Obama pandered for any votes during his "race speech."
    Obama pandered for super delegate votes when he threw Wright under the bus.
    Obama panders for Obama.


    [ Parent ]
    GOOD NEWS! (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by snucky on Mon May 05, 2008 at 04:23:45 AM EST
    WOW, HILLARY REGAINED THE LEAD IN USA TODAY/GALLUP. TAKE THAT OBAMA!  LET'S KEEP DONATING, CALLING, AND BLOGGING FOR HILLARY.

    The polls (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Sunshine on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:33:01 AM EST
    Have you noticed on Real Clear Politics that there is always one poll that is way out of line in favor of Obama that keeps Hillary from taking the lead nationally on the rcp average , this week its cbs/nyt....

    [ Parent ]
    Gallup just likes to play with emotions (none / 0) (#52)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:15:19 AM EST
    The horserace is sick, sick!

    [ Parent ]
    Dead End Photo (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by karen for Clinton on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:59:30 AM EST
    Click on the USA link above. :-)

    Elkhart, Indiana photo says it all!

    Hah, nice catch (none / 0) (#50)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:08:04 AM EST
    I didn't even notice that earlier.  Hmm, is that my attempt at double meaning?

    [ Parent ]
    Other headlines (5.00 / 8) (#49)
    by p lukasiak on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:03:48 AM EST
    Right below this story...

    USA Today/Gallup Poll: Obama "Significantly Hurt" by Wright

    I found this one

    Water Is Wet

    When I did a diary at DKos on the second story, I was trashed as a "paid Clinton operative" based on the argument that Ice and Steam are both water, and neither is wet.

    Steam is technically wet... (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Marvin42 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:06:16 AM EST
    Sorry, sorry, the geek in me couldn't resist! :)

    [ Parent ]
    Newest polls from Insider Advantage (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:14:16 AM EST
    They just came out this morning indicating that Tuesday can go either way in a very real sense in BOTH states.

    In my opinion the polls are underestimating female support for Clinton, especially in Indiana. (where African American females are not as big a factor on the numbers and thus I do think they are underpolling there)

    wait, the new Indiana poll comes out later (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:21:39 AM EST
    I had looked at the old Indiana poll but the new North Carolina poll.  Scratch what I said about AA/female factor.

    [ Parent ]
    Regarding wright I think (5.00 / 5) (#60)
    by Serene1 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 06:40:44 AM EST
    Kristol in his coloumn said it best:

    "What really seems to have shocked and surprised Obama is what Wright said about him: “What I think particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing.” Later on in his press conference, Obama returned to this, saying that Wright’s cavalier dismissal of Obama as just another politician was “a show of disrespect to me.”

    Some voters might think it would have been nice if Obama had been as angry in March at Wright’s disrespect to the United States of America as he was in April at Wright’s disrespect to Barack Obama."

    Also found this link in TM message board. An australian article on the Illusion that is Obama.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23643866-5013948,00.html

    yes, that was my initial reaction (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by Josey on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:36:00 AM EST
    >>>Some voters might think it would have been nice if Obama had been as angry in March at Wright's disrespect to the United States of America as he was in April at Wright's disrespect to Barack Obama."

    [ Parent ]
    Indeed (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by litigatormom on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:46:52 AM EST
    There was another line Obama used -- "He certainly didn't show much concern for me."  Well, why did Obama expect "much concern"? Once Obama disinvited Wright from saying benediction at his campaign announcement, once Obama denounced Wright's remarks on the Endless Loop, why did Obama expect "concern," or even silence?  Did they have some sort of deal, an armistice, that Wright violated?  "You don't say any more crazy stuff and I won't denounce YOU"? Because even if Obama never heard some of the Reverend's more controversial remarks while sitting in church, the disinvitation indicates that he knew that Wright is a loose cannon. So why was he so shocked that Wright kept on shooting cannonballs?

    [ Parent ]
    obama Thinks Of Himself As E.F. Hutton, (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:14:41 AM EST
    people listen to him and it is so.  He has had a free pass fo so long, he has deluded himself and that chicken came home to roost.

    [ Parent ]
    This line totally nailed Obama (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by FlaDemFem on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:02:27 AM EST
    Obama, far more than the others, is the "judge me by what I say and not what I do" candidate. He wants to be the conscience of the country without necessarily having one himself.
    I find it sad that the Australian media is much more clear-sighted about our candidates than our own.

    [ Parent ]
    Kristol? The Australian? What's going on here? (none / 0) (#164)
    by Blue Sun on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:50:36 AM EST
    When people who purport to be Democrats are quoting super neocon William Kristol (son of Irving Kristol, who is called the "Godfather of the Neoconservative movement") there is something seriously sick in the party.

    When they then quote The Australian, a rightwing paper owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation, which also owns the blatant neoconservative mouthpiece Fox News, then we have truly gone through the Looking Glass and black is now white and white is black.

    Perhaps this explains how Hillary Clinton can denounce Barack Obama and then turn around and praise John McCain for his leadership qualifications.  Bill Clinton's triangulation dragged the Democratic party to the right and away from all of the principles that, from FDR through JFK, had made the Democratic party a great one.  Now, Hillary is going further, making common cause with the most extreme right-wing ideologues in the country.

    It seems that there is a new movement in the Democratic party, a reactionary, right-wing "neoliberal" analogue to the "neoconservative" loonies who have so effectively destroyed the Republican party.  Remember that the hated neocons were once Democrats who supported conservative Democratic superhawk Scoop Jackson against George McGovern and went over to the extreme right when Jackson lost the power struggle.  History is repeating itself today, and if there is any single criticism of Hillary above all others, it is that she is the new Scoop Jackson, leading her followers even further from the decency, compassion, honor, and justice that the Democratic party used to stand for and into the Looking Glass world of the neocons.

    Welcome to the insane asylum, kiddies.


    [ Parent ]

    I don't get what you are saying (none / 0) (#188)
    by moll on Mon May 05, 2008 at 04:39:31 PM EST
    Perhaps this explains how Hillary Clinton can denounce Barack Obama

    I know what I believe. And if it so happens that I agree with a right winger on some issue, then I am not going to change my mind on what I believe just because of that.

    That is what distresses me about Obama's core supporters: their love for him appears to be more important than any principle, any belief, any idea of what I would call integrity.

    They think we're moving around, but really it's the media moving around - changing positions, playing games. I don't know what it means or what the real agenda is. I do know that if I weren't solid in who I am and what I believe, I'd be like driftwood getting tossed around.

    [ Parent ]

    Bill Clinton was the best Dem in decades (none / 0) (#191)
    by moll on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:03:51 PM EST
    Bill Clinton's triangulation dragged the Democratic party to the right and away from all of the principles that, from FDR through JFK, had made the Democratic party a great one.

    I disagree. Bill Clinton saved the party from its failures. And after we're through trying to salvage something that is already DOA, we will end up recognizing that Clinton-style reforms are really the only option. Because politics is not about making Utopia, it is about making things better.

    And if we weren't all full of Obama's opportunistic lies, we'd remember which President it was who did make life better - for poor people, for working people, for racial minorities, for women, and even the environment. That's what Democrat means to me.

    The liberal elites (who apparently don't come out of their exclusive neighborhoods very often???) still do not understand why all their policies of the 1970s were rejected: it is because they didn't work.

    The Clintons can get things done. The idealists can only talk about how the world "should" be - and they just don't pay attention to the fact that their policies sound so nice on paper but are so AWFUL in the real world. They don't live in the real world, so why should they care? They can just blame the world for refusing to cooperate (and blame the voters when they lose yet again).

    [ Parent ]

    Oprah Rumor (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Saul on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:30:43 AM EST
    Heard on the radio that Oprah will be out today to see if she can get some support for Obama

    Are things (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:34:24 AM EST
    looking that bad for Obama? Pulling out Oprah at the last minute and going to places where there are lots of AA's in NC wouldn't inspire confidence if I was an Obama supporter.

    [ Parent ]
    they don't have to look bad (none / 0) (#73)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 07:47:00 AM EST
    This is Obama's chance to close things out.  Attempt #4.

    Indiana is going to be a close race let's see who is the better closer.

    [ Parent ]

    I don't think so (none / 0) (#83)
    by Marvin42 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:09:01 AM EST
    If they are in NC today Indiana is no longer close. I wonder though how close NC really is, or is this just a game to reduce his numbers...

    [ Parent ]
    Well according to polls it is close (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:54:58 AM EST
    One thing I know about the Clinton "machine" is that they do keep an eye out for any sort of movement and respond accordingly, like any good campaign operation.  I think both states will be squeakers but the impact of even a 1% in these is going to mean more than ever.

    [ Parent ]
    How Many Times Has It Been Nearly In His Grasp? (none / 0) (#144)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:17:04 AM EST
    "The erosion of support among Democrats and independents raises the stakes in Tuesday's Indiana and North Carolina primaries, which represent a chance for Obama to reassert his claim to a Democratic nomination that seems nearly in his grasp"

    [ Parent ]
    That's surprising (none / 0) (#150)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:32:48 AM EST
    There's been plenty of speculation on how quiet Oprah has been on the Obama support. Her own ratings went down so fast after she endorsed him, that it seemed unlikely she'd do that again. I was pretty sure she was still in his camp, though. Her good friend, and fellow XM host, Marianne Williamson was just here in Seattle, I went to her 3 hour lecture. It was fantastic until almost the end when she started stumping for Obama.

    [ Parent ]
    Oprah is now a problem for Obama... (5.00 / 5) (#85)
    by p lukasiak on Mon May 05, 2008 at 08:11:33 AM EST
    ...because if she shows up, all the media will want to know is why she left Wright's church...

    [ Parent ]
    great point (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by diplomatic on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:14:46 AM EST


    [ Parent ]
    She's risking (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon May 05, 2008 at 10:38:16 AM EST
    plenty by going out there again for him. They share a strong non-negotiable commitment to Africa. Oprah has been asked why she doesn't show more charity in the US. She claims she does but doesn't talk about it. Oprah does NOTHING she doesn't want recognition for, and her published annual charitable donation numbers aren't impressive.  

    [ Parent ]
    My dream scenerio with Oprah (none / 0) (#122)
    by BarnBabe on Mon May 05, 2008 at 09:24:11 AM EST
    She is on stage with BHO and Hillary surprises them and joins her on stage. Now what could Oprah do except be surprised and embrace her too. Ha. Talk about unity.  

    [ Parent ]
    Oprah redux (none / 0) (#161)
    by Blue Sun on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:34:19 AM EST
    While I'm not a fan of Oprah, I would think that the supporters of a candidate who is getting public support from Richard Mellon Scaife, Rush Limbaugh, William Kristol, Rupert Murdoch, and even Anthrax Coulter would be a little less likely to mock and deride Obama's supporters.  Hmmmmm...

    Recently, journalists, Democratic politicians, academics, and think tanks have reported being bombarded on a daily basis with articles and smear pieces being culled from a wide range of right-wing sources - all members of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" that had savaged the Clintons for so many years.  The sources for these smears and lies include the Weekly Standard, National Review, the American Conservative, Reed Irvine's Accuracy in Media (which took the lead in charging the Clintons with murdering Vince Foster) and many of the most extreme rightwing websites and talk-show pundits, including Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Karl Rove. What all of it has in common is that it is filled with vicious and demonstrably false smear attacks against Barack Obama.

    Who is this person working so tirelessly to spread this rightwing filth about Obama?  Rush Limbaugh?  Richard Mellon Scaife?  Sean Hannity? Rupert Murdoch?  Karl Rove?

    Nope.  Reporters who have been receiving this material have acknowledged that it is all being sent to them on a daily basis by one man, a political operative named Sidney Blumenthal.

    In the 1990s, Clinton aide Sidney Blumenthal was a key player in their battle against the right-wing media.  He is credited with creating Ms. Clinton's "vast right-wing conspiracy" soundbite.  

    Now, however, as a top aide to Hillary, Blumenthal is sending out daily emails to journalists all over the country with references and reprints of the most extreme and twisted right-wing anti-Obama slime from the very same "vast right-wing conspiracy" that was so prominent in doing the same slime jobs on the Clintons, Al Gore, and John Kerry.

    My, what strange bedfellows a lust for power makes...

    And, please don't come back with comments about Obama's smear machine.  Most of what I've seen from the Obama camp has been reasonable responses to Clinton's mockery and smear attacks and, when somebody in the Obama camp crosses the line (like Ms. Powers) they are asked to resign their posts with the campaign.  The problem the Clintonistas have is that they see EVERY criticism and negative comment as a smear attack - and this from the person who said "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen," and whose husband pompously proclaimed that if you aren't prepared to be beaten up, you shouldn't be in politics (a comment that tells us a lot more about Clinton than Obama).

    Totally missing in Obama's campaign against Hillary is any exploitation of her past.  Obama is not raising the issues of Whitewater, the Rose Law Firm billing records, Monica Lewinsky and Bill's lies about her, the impeachment, massive fundraising irregularities in 1992 and 1996, the pardons of Marc Rich and two Weather Underground bombers, Bill's praise of Farrakhan and support of the Million Man March, Bill's invitation of none other than the Reverend Jeremiah Wright to a White House prayer breakfast,  travelgate, fbi-gate, claims that they were drug smuggling kingpins in Arkansas, had over 100 people murdered to protect their criminal activities - or any of the other rightwing smear topics that were used against the Clintons.

    You can bet that each and every one of these smears will be thrown in Hillary's face by John McCain if she gets the nomination.  But, at least she doesn't have to worry about some unprincipled  sleaze in her own party using them against her.

    Not so in Hillary's campaign against Obama, where anything, whether true or false, is fair game if it will get her an extra vote.

    OBTW, I loved the claim posted here that Bill Richardson, a long-time Hillary supporter and personal friend of the Clintons, who finally had enough and switched to Obama, is part of the Obama "smear machine."  After all, it wasn't as if Richardson publicly denounced Bill Clinton and labeled him a "Judas" just for following his conscience.  Hmmmmm....

    [ Parent ]

    Not supporters.... (none / 0) (#166)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon May 05, 2008 at 11:59:47 AM EST
    You've listed a lot of people who don't trash her, but to call them her supporters is simply not even remotely accurate.

    It's spin like this that makes Obama supporters lose credibility.


    [ Parent ]

    No no you don't understand (none / 0) (#170)
    by Marvin42 on Mon May 05, 2008 at 12:51:17 PM EST
    This is unity. They are UNITING us. Don't you get it?

    I feel pretty united already. If I am any more united I may vote republican.

    [ Parent ]

    ummm (none / 0) (#194)
    by moll on Mon May 05, 2008 at 05:16:42 PM EST
    And, please don't come back with comments about Obama's smear machine.

    Ok, how bout Obama's own foul mouth, which every day has some new reason why his own political failures are all because of some flaw in Hillary Clinton's character?

    Can the man refrain even for ONE DAY from attacks on Clinton?

    Oh wait ... no: because Hillary deserves it, and that makes it not only okay, but noble. After all, it's not like he wants to talk trash about that dirt on his shoulder. Obama is forced - just forced! - to admit that she lacks integrity, she lies, she will do anything to win, her claws come out and she is (insinuation 'that time of the month') and she can't even keep her husband ("house in order" - that one courtesy Michelle) and she uses gimmicks and she panders and she sounds like a Republican and it's her fault he can't talk about issues like he wants to and it's her fault the tone of the discourse is so low and if he flubs a debate that means she must be (insinuation 'corrupt') and she says she's tough because it's a subliminal attack suggesting that somehow he isn't!

    And yet somehow...issues only seem to come up when Clinton is the on