Obama "Bored" With Campaign

So says this NYTimes report:

In interviews with several associates and aides, Mr. Obama was described as bored with the campaign against Mrs. Clinton and eager to move into the general election against Senator John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive Republican nominee.

Plus, this seems unsound to me:

In strategy sessions last week, advisers concluded that Mr. Obama, of Illinois, needed to do a better job reminding voters of his biography, including his modest upbringing by a single mother and one of his first jobs as a community organizer helping displaced steel mill workers

Obama needs to talk policy, not biography, imo.

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    He's bored? (5.00 / 7) (#1)
    by Radiowalla on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:57:20 AM EST
    How the hell does he think WE feel?

    He can quit any time he wants to. (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by echinopsia on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:26:36 AM EST
    I'd be fine with that.

    Perhaps Obama is bored (5.00 / 3) (#49)
    by Josey on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:29:36 AM EST
    with his own "hope and change" meme.
    The fact that his message is essentially the same a year later - is noteworthy.
    Still looking for the beef...

    His hope and change (none / 0) (#108)
    by delacarpa on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:31:35 AM EST
    IMOP his hope and unity message needs another briddle and horse as the last one went over the cliff. People don't see it any more. SUSA polls shows Clinton up by 9

    Obama BORED AND BITTER (none / 0) (#150)
    by lilibet on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:43:36 PM EST
    Not only is Obama bored, but he told an audience in Indiana that they were not the bitter ones, he himself was bitter. Bitter about the fact that he lost Pennsylvania when he was expected to win. These were his words, not mine.
    Everything has been handed to him without too much work on his part. If he can't handle a loss in a primary, how in the world would he handle losses in the General Election.

    On the Record? (none / 0) (#154)
    by JavaCityPal on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:08:01 PM EST
    That's fantastic...is there a print article or clip anywhere you know of on that?

    I guess we should all work twice as hard to see if we can do anything to help him get more bitter in NC and Indiana!

    I already have a pretty grim image when I think about what a lazy president he would be, but this really confirms a reason for concern.  Remember what happened after GWB spent most of his first 8 months on vacation.


    Post has same quote twice on my screen n/t (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by ineedalife on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:59:01 AM EST

    Thanks (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:04:00 AM EST
    My error. Fixed now.

    Oh dear... (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by kredwyn on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:00:46 AM EST
    (my brain is now filled with comments from my grandfather about what to do when you're bored...cause in his eye, you should never be bored.)

    my mom (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by DJ on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:08:40 AM EST
    always says bored people are boring people

    Heh... (5.00 / 6) (#19)
    by kredwyn on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:12:03 AM EST
    My mom: "If you're bored, find something to do. If you're still bored in 5 minutes, I'll find you something to do."

    lol! (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by Joan in VA on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:39:28 AM EST
    Mine, too. He's needs to go OUTSIDE and play.

    You mean (none / 0) (#118)
    by janarchy on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:59:54 AM EST
    we're not supposed to sit here and find ways to entertain him and stimulate him because he can't find ways to do it for himself?

    Wow. We must have had the same Mom! (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by derridog on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 01:33:32 PM EST
    Definitely A Nationwide MOM Comeback (none / 0) (#141)
    by MO Blue on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:19:07 PM EST
    at least when I was growing up and then again when I was raising my children. Not so sure it is still in use now because if anything many children's lives seem over-scheduled with activities.

    How can he be "bored" (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by bjorn on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:03:58 AM EST
    with all the sideshows going on?  He better find his sense of humor and get unbored or he will be in trouble.  What happens if he gets bored with a difficult problem as President.  This is shades of George Bush who also got "bored" with his presidency.

    And here's another one from the Sun Times today (5.00 / 0) (#53)
    by abfabdem on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:31:00 AM EST
    wow....this won't bode well with those who have (5.00 / 0) (#86)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:01:18 AM EST
    lost their savings and houses.

    Doesn't sound right (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by Lil on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:04:30 AM EST
    Bored? How could anyone be bored running for President; even if it is "just" the primary? Tired, fed up, po'd maybe, but bored; that just doesn't sound right.

    Bored? (5.00 / 5) (#9)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:04:53 AM EST
    Well, guess what will happen when you are president?  Boring things like Iraq, Middle East, economy, Katrina...they just drag man, really boring.  Frankly, he looks bored whereas Hillary looks energized.  I guess she was right.  

    If I were the O campaign I wouldn't flog (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by hairspray on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:15:54 AM EST
    the single mother story too much.  The GOP will dig a little deeper and find out that while his mother was a struggling student for some of those years, Obama grew up in comfortable circumstances.  His mother married an Indonesian business executive who gave them a middle class life and Obama mostly went to private schools. Later Obama moved in with his grandparents who sent him to an exclusive school in Oahu.  His grandmother was a VP at one of the largest banks in the islands.  Later he went to Occidental College, again an expensive private school.  Not really a typical up grom the bootstraps type of story.

    I agree on bringing up the bio stuff (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by tree on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:26:55 AM EST
    but for another reason: it's not relevant. Frankly, if I was facing economic hard times, I wouldn't want to hear about how he grew up, I'd want to know what he is going to do to fix things.

    When Mr. Obama walked into his campaign events this weekend, no music played from the loudspeakers. At a stop on Saturday in Marion, Ind., the applause quickly subsided as he took his seat on a stool and listened as a local resident, Bernard Smith, 55, told of how he was laid off from his job at a plant in town after 31 years. His income reduced by half, he now works at the Dollar General store.

    Mr. Obama's sleeves were rolled up, his suit jacket left behind stage. He took questions for nearly an hour, often weaving in the fact that he was raised by a single mother and his grandparents. "Nobody is looking for a handout," the senator said. "Nobody is looking for easy street."

    Was Bernard Smith reassured by the fact that Obama supposedly went through hard times as a child? Or that Obama's father abandoned him and his mother?


    Bio (5.00 / 3) (#74)
    by DJ on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:53:46 AM EST
    okay, from what I've read his parents separated in 1963 when he was two and at age six he moved with stepfather and mother.  So not a whole lot of struggling single parent years.  

    He went to a private college prep school in Hawaii that has visual and performing arts, jewelry studio, pottery studio, photography studio, glass blowing facilities for twelve years.  Current tuition over $16k per year.  

    I'm not saying that b/c he was brought up solid/upper middle class he is less relevant.  I just don't appreciate the spin his campaign is trying to make about him stuggling in a single parent home.

    It is more important what he intends to do, not where he came from.  I don't know though what he intends to do.


    sorry....struggling (none / 0) (#76)
    by DJ on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:54:20 AM EST
    it's a completely absurd tale. (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Salo on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:29:23 AM EST
    And i'm not sure what the point of it would be.  What they should emphasize is the dramatic epic sweep of American history--in a positive way.

    Jerry "Macaca Moment" Wright destoys this narrative. His late inpact on the GE polling, also makes the early primaries suspect.  Wright was concealed, the Democratic primary voters defrauded.  Wright could have been givena script to read and Obama should have bluntly said that his church was politically problematic. Wright told to hold his tongue for a bit--make some apologies for being a twit and keep out of the way.


    Mark Shields got the single mother on food stamps (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 12:09:35 PM EST
    message loud and clear.

    He has mentioned it every time I've seen him on NewsHour--He had a single mother! They were on food stamps!

    BTW, in the 60's it wasn't all that unusual for students to be on food stamps. Since students were working part time, they were often eligible.

    Since I've never seen the exact date of Obama's mother's second marriage or the exact date of her divorce, I have no idea how long she was unmarried after Obama's father went to Harvard and out of their lives.  I think they had, what, a 2-3 years without support from his biological father? Things are pretty fuzzy on his early biography. Actually, for a lot of his bio....


    Last night (none / 0) (#136)
    by janarchy on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 02:50:19 PM EST
    I caught a stump speech by Michelle Obama in Indiana on C-SPAN that was from Friday. It was pretty boring and she reiterated the entire narrative again. However, she also added that his mother was "a teenage unwed mother" and went on about her courage since the baby was biracial in Kansas in the 60s. I'd never heard the teenage unwed part before!

    She also kept equating his upbringing and education with her own which is laughable. She went to public schools, Barack did not.


    Every biography that I read (none / 0) (#138)
    by tree on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 03:31:47 PM EST
    Had his mother and father meeting when they were students at the University of Hawaii, getting married, and then later divorced. Obama grew up in Hawaii and Indonesia. His mother was born in Kansas, but her family moved to the northwest and then to Hawaii before she attended UH. I've never heard of him living in Kansas at anytime.



    She was a teenage mother (none / 0) (#146)
    by litigatormom on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:00:59 PM EST
    but not an unwed teenage mother -- at least not unless the Obama marriage never occurred. She was 18 when she met Obama Sr. and they were married pretty quickly. Whether pregnancy preceded or followed the marriage I am not sure, but she certainly was married when Barack was born.

    As I understand it, the marriage lasted about two years. So she was certainly a very young mother, and a single mother for some significant period of time, including while she was trying to complete her education.

    I don't think his grandparents were rich, but I do think they were at least solidly middle class. Still, that doesn't mean that they were paying full freight at the Punahoe School -- it was and is quite expensive, and Obama may have had at least partial financial aid.



    What I've found is that Obama's parents (none / 0) (#151)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:47:52 PM EST
    married about 6 months before he was born.

    Born 8/4/61--marriage sometime in February '61. But I can only base that on mention of letter from Obama's father about the birth going to his father in Kenya "six months after their marriage."

    Wikipedia does have some good links-found this info in, iirc, Chi Trib link (#3?).

    And, yes, it does seem the family was comfortably middle class--his grandmother Dunham was a bank VP (I have no idea what that meant in the 60's).


    They constantly change the story (none / 0) (#156)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:57:51 AM EST
    From my research, she got pregnant at 18, married Obama's dad when she was 3 months along, so not a unwed teen mother.  They lived in Hawaii, never Kansas. His mother had been born in Kansas, though.  The Time Magazine article a couple of weeks ago on his mother said she lived on a small island in Washington during her high school years, and she frequented coffee shops in Seattle. That small island was/is Mercer Island, one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the Seattle area...even in the 50's when they were here. Oh, and Starbucks original small bean shop opened in 1971 or 72. Coffee shops were not common place in the 50's here, and she was a high schooler.

    Not much these two say is believable, and it's rare the story is ever the same twice in a row.  Kenneth Lamb has done extensive research into Obama's books and the absence of truth in both of them.  It is easy to locate online.


    but what is his work history (none / 0) (#28)
    by DJ on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:17:49 AM EST
    he did three years of community outreach? is that correct? what did he do prior to the state senate?

    Worked for a law firm (none / 0) (#147)
    by litigatormom on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:02:19 PM EST
    that did a lot of civil rights work.  I can't remember the name.  As editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review, he could have worked anywhere, so choosing a small civil rights boutique was impressive.

    Not a lot of anything (none / 0) (#157)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:01:06 AM EST
    Obama never really did much of any one thing. It seems he has a very short attention span and doesn't occupy any chair too long before he's off to his next ambition.  He was barely a year in the U.S. Senate before he decided he was ready to take that giant leap to President.  Very typical of his history.

    Above The Fray = Bored... (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:58:44 AM EST
    For the most part, he has always been boring and appeared bored.  If you watch him, there is no spark, nothing.  And regarding his supposed caring for the poor, is it just me or has he never shown an ounce of compassion or empathy?

    I commented on that earlier (none / 0) (#140)
    by felizarte on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 03:49:45 PM EST
    in some other thread.

    If You Look At Obama's Record... (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:03:02 AM EST
    You will see he likes running for offices, doesn't spend but a short time in the position, before running off to participate in an election for something else and so on and so on.  Maybe he suffers from A.D.D.

    Not for long (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Saul on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:06:50 AM EST
    In the Q&A of the press conference today Wright made  the headlines. I know that Wright was trying to defend himself and was trying to say who  he really is but I think he just handed Indiana to Hilary.

    Is there a link for Wright's presser today? (none / 0) (#122)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 12:10:52 PM EST
    I am sorry Obama is bored but... (5.00 / 6) (#12)
    by Alvord on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:08:03 AM EST
    ...I still don't know why, other than because he is ambitious, Obama wants to be president.

    Agree (5.00 / 4) (#40)
    by AnninCA on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:26:06 AM EST
    with you.  I've never sensed he was passionate about the country or doing things to change people's lives.  It's more about him.

    That is a pretty boring world to live in since it's self-referential.  

    And it's easily deflated when one isn't "winning."

    He's feeling tired and bored because the entire dialogue has changed on him.  He's now being viewewd as risky.

    As Bill Clinton tried to warn people, "You're buying a pig in a poke."



    Bored, Cherry Picked Bio (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by cal1942 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:32:48 PM EST
    As others have commented the biographical stuff has to be cherry picked to come out as planned.  

    Someone's bound to question the single mother story.  A short period of scrimping is meaningless to people who've been paycheck to paycheck all of their lives.

    Many people will consider his grandparents well off.  Well off, wealthy, etc. are relative terms but on the short description of grandparent's vocations will sound like well off to most people.

    Knowing that much of his K-12 education was in private schools would clinch the impression of a cushy childhood.

    It reminds me of the attempt to downgrade Hillary's experience as first lady and then without pausing for air making her culpable for any alleged sins of the Clinton administration.

    You have to ask, which is it?

    Knocking the Clinton administration works only with the more unreasonable of his flock.  It's bad politics to knock your party's most recent president, especially one as popular as the Big Dog.

    I'm not at all surprised he's bored.  He's never given me the impression that he cares about the details of policy and governance and it wouldn't surprise me if he's bored with the Senate.


    I think the two are related (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:28:21 AM EST
    Obama is, in essence, (5.00 / 6) (#13)
    by ccpup on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:08:10 AM EST
    saying he's bored with meeting voters, bored with having to convince them he's the better choice, bored with listening to their concerns and offering his plans to help them and bored with proving every day why he should be entrusted with the awesome responsibility that comes with being CiC.

    In other words, "Geez Louise, isn't this thing mine already?!  C'mon!!!!!!"

    I'm sure those voters who are on-the-fence and have yet to decide are going to enjoy hearing he's "bored".  Plus he'll now go under the microscope and people will no longer listen to whatever message he's pushing that day and, instead, just spend their time playing Gotcha and catching him when he's "bored" eg.  "yeah, he really DID seem bored, didn't he?".  

    Not exactly what you want voters focusing on in the home stretch, in my opinion.

    Compare that to Hillary who seems positively electric and sincerely engaged with Voters these days and ... Houston, we gotta problem.

    Hillary (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by DJ on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:10:31 AM EST
    does seem to have lots of energy

    Yeah, it's amazing how us "old women" (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by derridog on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 01:38:57 PM EST
    manage to keep up with the young folk.

    Don't you hate it when (5.00 / 2) (#148)
    by litigatormom on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:03:34 PM EST
    people are tenacious and tireless?

    I like the idea of a president who doesn't take the path of least resistance.....


    No Easy Path to the Hardest Job (5.00 / 6) (#32)
    by Athena on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:21:29 AM EST
    He's bored because the coronation got interrupted.

    If I were Hillary, I'd seize on his entitlement and say: "There's no easy path to the hardest job in the world.  That's why I'm fighting so hard."


    exactly! (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by ccpup on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:49:19 AM EST
    I now think the NY Times may be turning a bit against him.  The article in and of itself is fairly good.  But that's not the point.

    What people will seize on and repeat endlessly is the "bored" comments.  Fair or not, the NY Times knew exactly what the catch would be and Barack resurrecting his bio wasn't going to be it.

    Of course Hillary and her campaign will seize on this and, thankfully, she's looking anything BUT bored right now.  In fact, she's looking like she's having the time of her life!  She's glowing, she's happy, she seems at home in her element meeting the voters and answering -- with specifics, imagine that! -- their questions.

    With this "bored" comment hitting the news, Barack is between a rock and a hard place.  If he continues to campaign as he has more recently (obviously bored and stale), people will go "yeah, he DOES look bored".  If he now peps it up, so to speak, voters will go "well, of course NOW he's acting excited, but we all know he's bored stiff".

    It's a no-win for him and win-win for her!


    Bored was probably the wrong word (none / 0) (#158)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:06:15 AM EST
    This just isn't coming as easily as he expected it to. He's never had to work too hard to get where he was headed before. For him to have to exert more energy than he ever has must be a real shock to his system.  He should have finished his waffle and sausage.

    Obama and Lugar, foreign policy (5.00 / 6) (#15)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:09:57 AM EST
    Sorry for being off topic, but I found this informative.  

    Since it's so hard to find really experience, found this interesting bit of Obama visiting Azerbaijan.
    Obama to Azeri Dictator: Set Our Big Macs Free

    So what topics did Obama raise with Aliyev? Human rights? Political reform? His government's flagrant corruption and theft of energy revenues? Well, actually the topics he called to Aliyev's attention were "slightly more parochial," the Tribune reported:

    Why is McDonald's having difficulty opening restaurants in Baku [the Azeri capital]? And why is Boeing shut out of selling planes to the state-owned airline? "They are two Illinois companies who want to do business and expand," Obama explained, "but they are having roadblocks." He didn't walk away with a concrete answer. He could, however, report back to constituents that he voiced concern at the highest levels of government.

    Bored Now (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by hlr on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:11:15 AM EST
    bored now

    BO's got nothing on Bad Willow.

    yes, my favorite Buffy character. (none / 0) (#112)
    by alexei on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:40:02 AM EST
    WOW (none / 0) (#119)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 12:04:38 PM EST
    don't get me started on Buffy!  I LOVED bad Willow.  I wonder who Buffy and Faith would vote for?

    K-lassic!  BORED NOW!

    As for Obama being bored, maybe he can take up something not so boring, like, hmmm, I don't know...a sound exit strategy for Iraq without it turning into a wholesale bloodbath?


    the old adage: you're bored because you're boring (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by DandyTIger on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:11:53 AM EST
    Ouch, but had to say it. I agree crazily enough with Rove, his speeches are stale. He's bored because he's bored with what he's doing. Because it is boring. Time to refresh it all.

    The current stage of Obama's campaign is like Clinton's was after super Tuesday. That is, not planned for. They're in a waiting pattern and very bored. They assume they've won, they're basically done. No more debates. No new speeches. Same old same old. Boring. Just waiting for it to be over already. Who needs this pesky democracy thingy where we keep running and count the votes, etc. It's all so trifling. Makes them all bitter. Snark.

    OMG (5.00 / 4) (#20)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:12:08 AM EST
    The arrogance of being "bored" with this primary.  

    What a tool.

    Madeline Kahn: Tired, Tired (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:13:41 AM EST
    Let's face it (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:14:14 AM EST
    He's tired.

    I Miss Madeline Kahn.... :( (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:06:18 AM EST
    ...and how could you possibly be bored with running for president.  Wait til he has to be in an endless succession of "boring" meetings.  What will he do then?

    I know that was OT (none / 0) (#27)
    by madamab on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:16:31 AM EST
    but oh, she was one of the greats, and that was one of her greatest performances. Thank you! :-)

    Lily von Schtupp (none / 0) (#149)
    by litigatormom on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:05:07 PM EST
    One of the great names of American film.

    To Paraphrase Mr. Wilde (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:13:47 AM EST
    Don't tell me that you have exhausted the primary.  When a man says that, one knows that the primary has exhausted him.

    I'm sorry, but (5.00 / 9) (#23)
    by madamab on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:13:58 AM EST
    this sounds like something GWB would say.

    "Campaigning is hard work!"

    Good lord, you're interviewing for the most powerful job in the world. Try to restrain your yawns, Senator.

    he's not bored (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by kimsaw on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:20:13 AM EST
    he's collapsing under pressure. Its written in his face. How else are they going to describe it.
    He should do his homework and put his "me too" policies front and center. He could learn a lot if he watched tapes of Hillary talking policy. :)

    There are some things you can't fake. (5.00 / 5) (#48)
    by MMW on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:29:24 AM EST
    He may be an intelligent man, but he doesn't appear to have the grasp for the fine points of policy. I think that level of detail also comes from years of studying or familiarizing yourself with a subject. You can't fake it with a week, or a couple months of cramming.

    I say this with the utmost respect.

    For me I've been told I'm quite intelligent (Yes - I'm aware I could do with a dose of humility), but there are two things I don't get - I just don't get how an airplane stays up in the air, and past the basics of statistics, I'm clueless.


    There are four forces (none / 0) (#105)
    by misspeach2008 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:23:17 AM EST
    that dictate the movement of an airplane. Gravity, lift, thrust, and drag. If thrust >drag, the plane moves forward.  If lift > gravity, then the plane stays in the air.  Otherwise, well. . .

    From NASA

    "Lift occurs when a moving flow of gas is turned by a solid object. The flow is turned in one direction, and the lift is generated in the opposite direction, according to Newton's Third Law of action and reaction. Because air is a gas and the molecules are free to move about, any solid surface can deflect a flow. For an aircraft wing, both the upper and lower surfaces contribute to the flow turning."

    Although rockets can travel through space, planes need an atmosphere.

    Does that help with at least one of your questions?


    First paragraph - YES (none / 0) (#111)
    by MMW on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:36:23 AM EST
    "From NASA..." - I'm going in search of diagrams.

    Thanks for the assist - I don't mean to come across as someone who says "nucular".


    He always gets bored. (5.00 / 8) (#36)
    by rooge04 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:22:50 AM EST
    He got bored in the state senate and ran for the US Senate. He got bored there with the work (gasp!) and decided to run for President.  Now he's bored of the Primary.  Will he stop being the nominee at some point if he gets it due to boredom? What if he gets bored being President?  In June of 2008 will he just quit and run for head of the UN?  I read this article yesterday and that line jumped out at me.  Bored??

    Now he also looks tired. I don't  know how a fit 46-yr old man looks tired while a 60 year old woman that's allegedly losing looks like she has the energy of an 18 year old. I thought Obama was the candidate of the young?

    Good points (5.00 / 3) (#44)
    by AnninCA on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:28:19 AM EST
    I suspect this is less about bored and more about melting down.

    Icarus flying too close to the sun.  :)


    Bored? (5.00 / 0) (#75)
    by jackyt on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:53:52 AM EST
    This jumped out at me, too, as I remembered the report of his wanting to be president because being a senator is so-o-o-o-o-o-oh boring.

    I've run campaigns, and win or lose, the adrenalin pumps everyone involved so high that boring is the last thing on the list of reactions. Unrealistically euphoric maybe, but never bored!

    Has Obama ever been treated for ADD?


    Frankly, (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by ghost2 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 12:31:54 PM EST
    I always imagine a young Hillary as Hermione in Harry Potter.  Very smart, very loyal, and with boundless energy.  Hillary might also secretly have acquired a time-turner.

    LOL (5.00 / 0) (#127)
    by AnninCA on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 12:51:46 PM EST
    She is, indeed, just like Hermione.

    However, Obama is not Harry.  :)


    Obama's more like Blaise Zabini. (none / 0) (#160)
    by BrandingIron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:13:12 AM EST

    Inconsequential to the story, even though he's got a lot of ambition (Slytherin House).

    Actually, I see Clinton more like McGonagall. McGonagall seriously kicks some big @SS in the last book, but throughout the entire series she's a real stand-up woman (particularly when she stood up to Umbridge in OOtP), and people can get the wrong impression of her--I always remember that classic scene in the movie where little(!) Ron says something about the "old bat" and then she morphs from the cat to the teacher and gives him The Look, LMAO.


    Bored and Boring (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:23:33 AM EST
    One of my favorite topics, boredom, bores  and being boring.  

    Zelda Fitgerald: " She refused to be bored chiefly because she was not boring"

    Emerson:  "Every hero becomes a bore at last"

    Bierce:  "Bore a person who talks when you wish him  to listen"

    And of course the great actor George Saunders famous suicide note:  "Goodbye, I am leaving because I am bored"  

    For The Life Of Me, I Don't See (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by MO Blue on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:25:19 AM EST
    why he can't campaign against McCain now as he is traveling through the primary states. I wouldn't be unhappy if he started attacking McCain rather that Hillary.

    IMO if he is bored with politics, I have no objection to him pursing another career starting today.

    Yeah, his biography keeps getting him into trouble (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:27:18 AM EST
    Doesn't everyones ;)?  I wanna hear some policy baby.  I don't care who you were, I don't even care who you can be, I care about what you are going to DO DUDE.  WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO BARACK?

    Biography is all Axelrod knows how to do (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by andgarden on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:28:27 AM EST
    in public, anyway.

    I frankly expect more rumours about Bill Clinton.

    Biography is a disastrous way to go (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by davnee on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:29:50 AM EST
    People want meat and potatoes.  Feed me!  Employ me!  Keep me safe!  They don't want the creme brulee of hope and change.  That doesn't feed the kids and you can't buy gas with it or get a doctor's appointment either.  And they don't want to know you were once like them, so there.  They want to know what you have done, are doing, and will do to make their lives safe and prosperous again.  Obama appears both incapable of and unwilling to answer those questions.

    Axelrod: it's all narrative (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:39:02 AM EST
    they thought it was going to be quick and decisive with their caucus state strategy.  Hillary messed up on this one.  They thought that the narrative would push them to a win, but alas, it did not.  
    Axelrod NY Times article
    There are a variety of problems of political communication that the industry's operatives spend their time obsessing over. One, which obsessed James Carville, is persuasion: How do you persuade people who believe one thing to believe another? A second, the big one for Joe Trippi, is commitment: What motivates your party's loyalists to go to the polls in larger numbers? But Axelrod has become animated by a more basic challenge of political communication, the problem of breaking through, of sounding different and new. Axelrod says that the way to cut through all the noise is to see campaigns as an author might, to understand that you need not just ideas but also a credible and authentic character, a distinct politics rooted in personality.

    Author, you read the same narrative over and over it gets boring.  It may have worked in the primary, but it will not hold in the GE, it's a one trick pony.   By now you either buy the story or you don't.


    Well the one trick pony is limping to the barn (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by davnee on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:53:21 AM EST
    HRC is getting better as she goes and Obama is getting worse as he goes.  The only question is whether the one trick pony's head start to the barn is so big that even Secretariat, which is what Clinton is starting to look like, couldn't catch up.  And if the barn the pony was limping toward was the White House itself, then maybe the limping wouldn't matter.  Trouble is the door on the other side of the barn is going to be thrown open and the pony shoved out for the longer, harder journey to the big barn.  So my question is, do you send the limping one trick pony out of the barn just because he got there first by five seconds, or do you send that pony to the vet and unleash Secretariat?

    People now realize, the one trick pony (none / 0) (#100)
    by felizarte on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:14:48 AM EST
    was only painted many colors to impress and now under the bright lights, the colors painted on are beginning to melt and run; revealing a one trick pony with only one color.

    The Big Problem With That Narrative Are (none / 0) (#142)
    by MO Blue on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:35:33 PM EST
    two words "credible" and "authentic."  It is difficult to be the "be all things to all people" and remain "credible" and "authentic."

    Obama is bored! (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by Serene1 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:29:57 AM EST
    Wow! not a statement I would expect from a candidate who is supposed to be fighting for our votes.

    I think this will (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by Lena on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:33:44 AM EST
    play about as well as the bitter/cling comments. Comments like these only reinforce the developing story line that the man is arrogant and can't be bothered with the little people, the voters, the blue collar, etc.

    I just can't understand why the Obama campaign is mistepping like this.

    Another gaffe/gift to Hillary! (5.00 / 0) (#88)
    by felizarte on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:02:47 AM EST
    How can anyone, campaigning for the most powerful job in the world say he is BORED? Tired and exhausted, yes! But Bored? I think he is not so willing to do the hard work like trying to figure out how to communicate the nuts and bolts of his policies.  Maybe he just wants to say to Axelrod, "fix it" or blaming his staff for his flagging campaign.  He is revealing a lack of intellectual curiosity about anything around him; just to enjoy the adulation that he doesn't realize could disappear in an instant.

    Bored? I'll take him at his word.  Has he become boring? He should hope not.  Because I think that the greatest sin for the Creator is BORING, since everything has been created to be interesting, fascinating, even done to the last atom.  How can anyone get bored, when there is so much to ponder all around.  In Obama's case, how can he be bored when his campaign still has much to do.  He is being like a kid having a fit because something he wants is not being given to him quickly enough.

    Indeed, his slip is showing.


    Except (none / 0) (#59)
    by flyerhawk on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:36:19 AM EST
    that Obama didn't say he was bored.  There is no quote.  There is unnamed sources who believe he is bored based on their impressions.

    He dose not do well when he speaks policy (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Salt on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:33:44 AM EST
    in his Friday press conference his boredom and his inability to articulate policy was clearly on display.

    But I too am reaching a fatigue factor with the Democratic Party Leadership and the Obama supporters Clyburn, Wright, Brazile, Pelosi and Politco's article quoting a Sr. Dem Leadership source thinking that Independents are what's needed not the Dem Base as their mind set.  Add there will be two weeks of nothing but what was kicked off by Clyburn, Barzile, Clay this weekend and now followed up with Wright press of non stop myopic focus on racial tensions inclusive of their added threat of militancy, the reintroduction of the nation of Islam as body guards to spice up the drama of the race, Also Sharpton's threats to shut down NY hurt pocketbooks are making it feel as if no Dem can win the White House in Nov with all this baggage.  

    If it's a campaign strategy to have Wright out there showing a break with Obama and that that will help Obama be able to distance himself through continued speeches and media releases disavowing the Rev that's not going to happen.

    Is BO more bored campaigning than being a Senator? (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Ellie on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:36:32 AM EST
    Less bored, equally bored?

    Having to wait for obstacles to be removed so he doesn't have to walk around them or knock them down himself must be such a drag.

    No wonder he can't close.

    I agree with your last statement, BTD (5.00 / 4) (#67)
    by lilburro on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:44:24 AM EST
    I heard Clinton in a stop in NC yesterday.  She lays out her stump speech like someone discussing a household budget.  She was discussing the gas tax holiday idea for instance.  Her speech basically went, we can take the gas tax holiday because we can take money from this fund (she named a particular fund) that we can refill through a windfall profits tax, etc.  Her other domestic positions are laid out with similar clarity.  Compared to that, anybody hoping for a more secure economic future is not going to be consoled by Obama's mother.

    This point is by now a cliche, but it does seem to be true.  The NY Times lovingly covers the Obama campaign as if it were a life story.  Obama here!  Obama there!  Obama does this!  But again most people aren't as interested in the life story as they are the government related issues.

    This just means Hillary should quit (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by lambert on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:13:29 AM EST
    Come on, Hillary. You're boring poor Obama. Why don't you quit?

    Plus, it's interesting tha Obama gets bored just when he has to ask the real Democratic base for their votes, instead of orating to a teleprompter in front of cheering fans. Odd, that.

    And what's he got to be tired about? He doesn't work that hard.

    Maybe he should change a word or (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by MarkL on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:16:17 AM EST
    two of his stump speech, to add a little excitement.

    Hm (5.00 / 2) (#121)
    by chrisvee on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 12:09:52 PM EST
    Well, I never trust these stories that are reported about conversations with unnamed 'aides' or 'campaign insiders'.  Goodness knows that Hillary has suffered enough from this type of thing.

    That said, I'm curious about what this story says about Obama's media darling status.  We seem to have had several stories recently which draw a parallel between his demeanor and that of Bush (i.e. impatient, bored, tired, thin-skinned).  Is the MSM starting a subtle turn against Obama in preparation for their about-face in the GE coverage?

    Yes They Are (none / 0) (#143)
    by MO Blue on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:43:54 PM EST
    This is the same thing that they did with Kerry. All kinds of hype by the media on how great and electable Kerry was during the primary and then sudden need to "vet" him once he became the nominee. From there it went further downhill, hiding known information about Bush and running untrue 527 ads nonstop to {cough, cough}  discuss them. SOP for the media which is why I never bought into BTD's argument that Obama would retain his "Media Darling" status.

    Obama was ##NOT## Raised by Single mother! (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by Exeter on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 03:44:24 PM EST
    I'm sorry, he wasn't.

    He also wasn't raised in "humble" or "modest" or "on food stamps" envinroment.

    He lived with his wealthy, oil executive stepfather in a gated community until he was 10 and then he lived with his wealthy grandparents (his grandfather owned a large furniture store and his grandmother was a bank executive) until he graduated from his elite private high school.

    This bio stuff is all absurd.

    Rove (4.50 / 8) (#4)
    by AnninCA on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:02:48 AM EST
    wrote a very funny (to me) piece about what Obama needs to do.

    One of his points was that Obama is stale now.  He needs to remember to feed the press.  If not, they'll go out and find stories themselves.

    I think his stump speech is stale.  

    Another point was to give people specifics.  I still say he can't and won't because he hasn't thought it through.

    Anyway, his petulance is showing.  He may as well be telling people they are bitter and clinging if he's going to let that elitist attitude seep through.

    He's only been doing this for months. (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Fabian on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:19:39 AM EST
    I think his real message is:  

    "Day-um!  Why can't the SDs just hand this thing to me already?  Until they do, I've got to be soooooo careful not to tick anyone off.  I'm tired of playing it safe.  I want that Unity Bounce and I want it NOW!  That will show everyone just how great I really am.  No more Hillary.  Just me, me, ME - Barack Obama, savior of America!".


    I agree. (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by madamab on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:22:03 AM EST
    HRC's supporters don't want high-flown language; we want solutions.

    If he wants those Clinton Democrats to vote for him, he's got to beat her at her own wonky game.

    He and his supporters would rather denigrate CD's than admit that they have real reasons for preferring HRC.


    The thing about a lie is (none / 0) (#159)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 01:16:16 AM EST
    they are generally very difficult to remember.

    Obama can't answer questions on the spot because he can't remember what he said from spot to spot.

    His books are pure fiction, which is why he and Michelle both keep changing the "facts" on Obama's upbringing.


    Biography-anyone know (3.00 / 1) (#11)
    by DJ on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:07:48 AM EST
    Where can I find a short biography of BO's life (where lived and when, when mom was single and when not, when lived with grandparents, work history etc?  I keep reading/hearing so many different stories.

    according to the NY Times article (5.00 / 6) (#25)
    by ccpup on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:14:54 AM EST
    playing up Obama's biography is just one of the avenues the campaign is going to return to.

    Which is fine because the voters are seeking specific answers to problems, not a "I come for a single parent household" biography they're already fully aware of, so this boneheaded tactic plays right to Hillary's strengths.  I mean, really, who CARES about Barack's history.  What they want to know is what is he going to DO!!!!!

    Seems like the campaign -- fresh out of ideas as to what to do now -- is desperately trying to recapture the glory of yesterday when Barack was the best thing since sliced bread.

    I strongly suspect that ship has sailed, though.


    Sell the sizzle! (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by Fabian on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:21:02 AM EST
    Ah, one of my old sig lines:

    Forget about the sizzle, show me the STEAK!


    I don't (none / 0) (#55)
    by Claw on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:33:02 AM EST
    Think this plays to Clinton's strengths.  Her bio is worse than his (if you're going by media standards.) Hippie turned lawyer for (lots of) profit, then First Lady, doesn't really play well against Obama's single mom, just paid off my law school loans theme.  It's all irrelevant BS but I think Obama still wins on this one.
    Also, I think they're trying to counter all the "elitist" nonsense.
    She should keep hammering experience and talking about the issues, because she's better at that than Obama and I think it'll play well in Indiana.

    You do know HRC had loans too? (5.00 / 5) (#70)
    by davnee on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:45:50 AM EST
    HRC is rock solid middle class in origin.  Her mother was an abandoned child and her father went to college on a football scholarship.  And she took out student loans herself for law school.  And let's not get started on the humble beginnings of the man from Hope.  HRC and WJC certainly never went to prep schools as children.  The Clintons had no significant money until relatively late in life.  The Obamas are way ahead of the Clintons on the wealth trajectory relative to their age.  So can we just drop this whole biography bs.  And can we also drop this ridiculous proposition that elitism and money go hand in hand.  Your wealth and your attitude are not interchangeable nor are they causally linked.

    True (2.00 / 0) (#81)
    by Claw on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:57:28 AM EST
    But just about everyone takes out loans for lawschool.  Obama's "common man" thing is that he just finished paying them off.  As for the Clinton's finances, you're incorrect.  I have a lot of family in Arkansas and the Clintons were doing quite well.  My Arkansas relatives played volleyball with him (he's apparently a huge ball hog ;-), smoked, uh, "cigarettes" with him, and liked him a lot.  In fact, Hillary wrote a law school recommendation for my cousin.  They're very nice people and, as I said, I think ALL the bio stuff is BS as a campaign issue.  Though WJC really did have a terrible childhood.  

    Age is the difference (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by davnee on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:18:26 AM EST
    Age is the difference between the Obamas and the Clintons.  The Obamas are younger so they are only now reaching the same benchmarks the Clintons reached years ago.  You want to portray this as meaning that Obama is superior in his story because he is closer to the beginning than the end, where the Clintons are.  But it is essentially the same story for both couples.  I think the real difference is that for the Obamas nothing much has happened yet.  They are a beautiful and hopeful blank slate.  They COULD do anything.  They could be the greatest, the most amazing ever politicians and Americans ever.  The Clintons have a record.  And its a record marred by failures and shortcomings, but it is also filled with astonishing accomplishments.  I prefer what is proven.  I know what to expect from them.  And I know what I can expect is good and needed.  It may not be the best ever, but it is darn good.  Give me "darn good" as a sure thing any day over "best ever" maybe if we're lucky.  But then maybe I'm just too small-c conservative for the hopium.

    Yes (none / 0) (#134)
    by Claw on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 02:13:17 PM EST
    I LIKE the Clintons.  I'm not trying to portray anything as anything.  I'm just identifying Obama's comman man spin.  I think it's silly.  Just as I think Clinton swilling down whiskey is silly.  Just as I think Obama's bowling is silly.  It's all to get votes.  
    By the way, thanks to whoever gave me a 2 rating.  I'm guessing they're new here.  One of the things I value about TL is the adherence to the idea that you don't troll-rate because you don't like someone's point of view or preferred candidate.

    I've read stories that Hillary can drink the guys (none / 0) (#152)
    by jawbone on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:51:34 PM EST
    under the table! Probably apocryphal, but some diplomat or mil guy mentioned she can hold her own--and doesn't appear to be putting on that she enjoys a drink now and then.

    Well (none / 0) (#164)
    by Claw on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:47:31 AM EST
    She didn't take the whole (repeatedly telivised) whiskey shot ;-)
    I've heard stories, from family who interacted with her, that she was a pretty moderate drinker...but who knows?  Anyway, to reiterate my point:  IT'S ALL BALONEY.  Both camps are behaving in a silly way (I'm gonna go get a beer, I'm gonna go bowling) to get votes.  It's pandering, and that's fine.  I'm just saying that Obama obviously does not spend his recreational time at a bowling alley, and Clinton doesn't relax with a handle of Jack Daniels.  That's really all I'm saying.

    Those book advances Obama got . . . (none / 0) (#144)
    by abfabdem on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:44:58 PM EST
    weren't enough to pay off the school loans before now????

    See above (none / 0) (#165)
    by Claw on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:49:52 AM EST
    My point is that both candidates are trying to get votes by pretending to be something they aren't.  Namely, the common woman/man.

    In a nutshell: (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by ding7777 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:03:10 AM EST
    His father left when Obama was 2 years old, and Barack was raised in Hawaii by his Kansas grandparents, except for a strange and adventurous four-year interlude when he lived in Indonesia with his mother and her second husband (LINK time.com)

    Obama was raised by a succession of mother/father, mother/grandparents, mother/stepfather, grandparents, grandparents/mother, and finally grandparents, again.


    I googled his mother's name, Stanley (none / 0) (#33)
    by hairspray on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:21:53 AM EST
    Dunham (SP?) and found lots of links.  Best ones were from the Chicago news.  

    Wikipedia (none / 0) (#51)
    by echinopsia on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:29:50 AM EST
    Dear Obama, (1.00 / 2) (#35)
    by Josey on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:22:18 AM EST
    just keeping attending white churches and eating pot roasts and jello molds and you'll win Indiana!

    Wow (1.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Jgarza on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:24:17 AM EST
    this is like a MoDo Column topic,  funny you seem to be embracing this view of politics now.

    So (1.00 / 2) (#58)
    by flyerhawk on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:35:24 AM EST
    According to some people they believe that Obama has become bored with the campaign?  

    Rumor mongering?  Is that what TL has devolved to?

    at any time of the day (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Josey on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:38:17 AM EST
    there's usually a DK diary on the rec list - a screed against Hillary based on an anonymous source.
    I remember the days when "those" DK diaries were dismissed.

    Oddly, pro-Obama media took SD rumors as gospel (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Ellie on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:40:44 AM EST
    And the paTrolls busily astro-turfed the nonsense, though none met the challenge of explaining why these "surefure" backers weren't (and wouldn't) go on the record.

    Please list those unnamed surefire pledged delegates / SDs, or stop lecturing about "rumors".


    Huh? (1.00 / 1) (#68)
    by flyerhawk on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:44:41 AM EST
    First of all, that has nothing to do with this discussion.

    Second of all, I wasn't one of the people propping up those rumors.

    Third of all, those sorts of rumors are pervasive in politics and part of the horse race discussion.  They are relatively harmless because they prove themselves to either be right or wrong.  

    If you don't want Maureen Dowd politics, don't engage in them.


    Rumors like how Hillary (5.00 / 3) (#71)
    by rooge04 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:46:04 AM EST
    had spread the Obama in native garb photo? Cuz I recall even the Great O himself spreading that particular one.

    So rumors that she planted a PUBLIC photo are OK (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Ellie on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:07:56 AM EST
    ... as long as they benefited his campaign.

    And negatively worded observations, based on the circus sideshow mentalism and telepathy Obama's psychic friends network engages in routinely, are also okay.

    Yet observations about Obama are verboten, even when they fall in with WORMing his lie not to run for president in '08 by explaining that he was bored with being a Senator.

    (I guess Congress is all caught up with all the stuff he was supposed to do for the downtrodden.)


    Sure (1.00 / 2) (#78)
    by flyerhawk on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:55:23 AM EST
    That particular rumor had legs solely because of the commonly held belief that Hillary has ties with Drudge.  

    commonly held belief (5.00 / 4) (#80)
    by angie on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:56:15 AM EST
    of those in the Obama camp, you mean.

    So it's not rumors, per se, (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Radix on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:00:31 AM EST
    that you oppose? It's rumors which aren't useful to you that you oppose.

    Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

    Don Henley-The Garden of Allah


    Uhh (1.00 / 1) (#91)
    by flyerhawk on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:04:32 AM EST
    I just agreed that it was a rumor.  Past use of rumors does not condone future use of rumors.

    Regardless we are talking about TalkLeft and the people that post here.  


    As you say, (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Radix on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:11:12 AM EST
    Past use of rumors does not condone future use of rumors.

    It does, however, allow us to determine a person reasoning style though. So, my statement about your dislike of rumors stands. If you wish to dismiss rumors, it would be better if you had no track record of using such yourself.IMO

    Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

    Don Henley-The Garden of Allah


    Lucky for me (1.00 / 1) (#104)
    by flyerhawk on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:20:21 AM EST
    that I never used that particular piece of rumor.  

    Now it's a commonly held belief (5.00 / 2) (#87)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:02:17 AM EST
    That Obama is bored.



    Commonly held belief as in (none / 0) (#85)
    by rooge04 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:01:08 AM EST
    rumors?  Because that story only got legs when Obama's campaign perpetuated it.  Then when Obama himself claimed that Hillary was behind it.  Even after the source was found out to be freerepublic.  So yeah, commonly held beliefs AKA Lies.

    Blame the New York Times (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by felizarte on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:35:38 AM EST
    where MoDo also writes.  Maybe this is their way of balancing out MoDo's constant attacks against Hillary to boost Obama.  Don't take it on us here just because we enjoy another welcome tidbit about Obama that will contribute to his losing the rest of the primary and the nomination. Maureen Dowd has an advantage over anyone of us here--she writes for the NY Times.  It is not often that we simple people are handed a report like this that reassures we were not wrong about our support for Hillary.  We want someone who studies, analyzes the problems of the country, comes up with solutions because she given much thought to them and can discuss them without notes because she pulls them right off her head.  The challenges of the campaign energizes her, engages her, and the people are beginning to take an interest in what she has to say.

    These are exciting times.  To be bored is certainly a serious malady for any candidate.  Complain to the NY Times, not us.  We are simply saying maybe they are right and they have the exact quotes from everyone but maybe protecting their identities because it will hurt Obama more.


    No, this is the 3rd (5.00 / 5) (#114)
    by AnninCA on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:49:43 AM EST
    story on his demeanor.

    First it was the "bored at the gas station" story.
    Then, Rove came out with a piece about how he's "stale."
    Now, this.

    But this story wouldn't catch attention if he hadn't appeared a bit that way at the last TWO debates.

    It's something one senses listening to him.

    He's annoyed by having to campaign for votes.


    and he certainly resents (5.00 / 3) (#117)
    by stillife on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:57:15 AM EST
    having to answer questions.  Especially when he's asked eight of them!  Sheesh, guys, leave him alone!

    I suppose it's understandable, b/c he's never had to campaign hard in his life before this.  Up until the last few weeks, he had good reason to believe that he would be handed the nomination.  

    This primary campaign reminds me of the Tortoise and the Hare.  Slow and steady wins the race!


    You forgot the waffles (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by ineedalife on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 12:39:25 PM EST
    He was too busy scarfing waffles and couldn't be bothered to answer an important question.

    The waffle (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by AnninCA on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 12:57:30 PM EST
    story was a press metaphor for his attitude.

    Nothing more.

    He has been petulant when anyone insists he back up his claims.

    It really started in SC.  When Bill said his speech against the war was a "fairy tale," Bill was dead right.

    Obama reacted just in the same way then as now.

    He's annoyed at having to actually convince voters.

    He really should examine his basic attitudes.

    If he truly wishes to be a part of the American national political scene, then he's going to have to abandon his sense of entitlement.

    From day 1, I knew that argument about Hillary was false.

    She's a pure politician, and there is no entitlement in her blood.

    She and Bill LOST the Arkansas governorship early in their careers.  They put on a tax on car registration that so infuriated people, that he lost.

    They learned not to assume a dang thing with voters.

    Either listen or they will vote you out in a heartbeat.

    Obama is a neophyte.  He's not listening.


    Read the article. (none / 0) (#69)
    by rooge04 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:45:01 AM EST
    It quoted people close to the campaign and Obama aides.  They are the ones saying he's bored. And um, it's not the first time I've heard it.

    Forget hearing it or "rumors" (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by angie on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:55:31 AM EST
    I can see it -- take a look at the guy -- he is not someone who is excited.  He is the opposite of excited -- in other words, "bored."  
    And in case you think I'm biased, my cousin who is not "committed" to this primary like I am asked me just last Friday "What is wrong with that poor man [Obama]? Have you seen how bad he looks? This campaign is wearing him out and I don't think he cares anymore."  When a mother of two under the age of 3 children notices it, it is obvious to any objective observer.

    Um (1.00 / 1) (#77)
    by flyerhawk on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:54:34 AM EST
    So there is no actual quote of Obama saying he was bored?  Just some unnamed campaign people saying that they BELIEVE he is bored.  Or maybe they are bored and assigning that emotion to Obama as well?

    Campaign in disarray!!!! (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:00:30 AM EST

    Can't Obama keep his people on message??

    If he can't run a campaign, and all his people are now going off the record, how can he run a country????

    Don't worry, I'm just making fun of Obama supporters trying to criticize the Clinton campaign.  It's been known to happen.

    And no, you've never criticized the Clinton campaign like this, so I don't know why I'm bringing that up with you in particular.


    You have much Oboredom to catch up on, apparently (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Ellie on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:13:07 AM EST
    Until you've caught up, stop clutter-trolling, by demanding that people lead you through the links by hand. There are several stories about Obama's boredom not just up top, but in past TL thread topics and by googling the news.



    clutter trolling? (1.00 / 1) (#106)
    by flyerhawk on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:23:25 AM EST
    It's like each week you guys come up with a new adjective to describe the awfulness that is Barack Obama.  This week it's boredom.

    Unfair (1.00 / 0) (#61)
    by magster on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:37:56 AM EST
    Obama didn't say he was bored.  This (assuming any part of that paragraph is true) could have been rephrased as "eager" for the next step, or some other positive adjective.  But this reporter chose to throw out "bored" to help keep the nomination process not boring to the Times readers so they are "excited" enough to buy tomorrow's paper to read Clinton and her supporters' reaction.

    Impatient with the primaries (none / 0) (#65)
    by ruffian on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:39:57 AM EST
    is probably a better characterization

    Obama on what's Unfair (none / 0) (#95)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:07:57 AM EST
    And how it matters in this primary.

    "I will add, by the way, that is not entirely a problem of her making. Some of those battles in the '90s that she went through were the result of some pretty unfair attacks on the Clintons. But that history exists, and so, yes, I believe I can bring the country together in a way she cannot do. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't be running."

    Suffice to say, he's bored.  It's out there now.  This history exists.


    Not likely (none / 0) (#107)
    by echinopsia on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:30:14 AM EST
    A reporter does not take "eager" and turn it into "bored" if he wants to keep his job. The aides used the word bored, which they probably got from the candidate.

    "losing a job" (none / 0) (#110)
    by diogenes on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:36:06 AM EST
    When's the last time a reporter got fired for spinning a story, especially if the MSM is turning against Obama anyway?

    Keep up (none / 0) (#124)
    by echinopsia on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 12:17:26 PM EST
    There are serious consequences for "spinning" a hard news story 180 degrees, especially for the NYT. The campaign, first of all, would protest if "bored" were not the word used by the aides.

    Sorry, but you're obviously not a journalist or you'd know that.


    Some of the attacks (1.00 / 2) (#93)
    by indy33 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:07:34 AM EST
    on Obama on this site have become hilarious, and most of you have become every bit as bad as the diarists on KOS or anywhere else. Lets sum up this thread. Obama should keep going to "white" churches and eating "jello molds".Your taking a random qoute about boredom by someone associated with the campaign and calling it gospel. You infer that he thinks he is the savior of America. You bring up Karl Rove as "funny" when he is attacking Obama even though its clear that he has contradicted himself so much about Obama that he has lost even more credibility. Check Glenn Greenwalds site if you need proof. You say that Obamas upbringing doesnt matter yet every chance you get to call him an "elitist" you do. I wonder why he is focusing on that! When Hillary says that she was exhausted and sleep deprived when she made the Bosnia mistake, or shows how exhausted and frustrated she was in New Hampshire, I didnt see one person on this site questioning whether she was the tired one, or if she could handle the job. Most of the comments on here have become a caricature for the overall atmosphere of the blogs right now, and its hilarious how some on here feign disgust yet participate in the same things.

    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by AnninCA on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:51:07 AM EST
    with you.  They BOTH show their fatigue when the news is unrelentingly negative.

    The wind is at HER back now.  

    We'll see how well Obama does when he has to hunker down.


    I prefer Hill-arious to Oh, oh Bored One (3.00 / 2) (#113)
    by felizarte on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:41:32 AM EST
    Have your laugh of the day, courtesy of us here.  We will see you at Hillary's inauguration.  But first, the convention where Hillary will be proclaimed after winning the rest of the primaries.

    Ha Ha... joke's on you (1.00 / 1) (#102)
    by jackyt on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:18:18 AM EST
    As long as you are spending your time here, reading so much stuff that's offensive to you, you are not working on behalf of your candidate. I really like that! Thanks.

    Policy (none / 0) (#54)
    by Lahdee on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:32:56 AM EST
    discussion from Obama. Is the familiar less safe ground for him than policy? Many of his supporters would fall all over themselves to have a wine with him, maybe not the 'others'. He may be safer with policy, but it seems that he's more prone to generalization; something that might not go over well with Bayh Democrats.

    Peril! Peril! Can the Obama campaign survive the trails and tribulations of the process? Not while their bored they can't.

    With Jeremiah out and about (none / 0) (#116)
    by txpolitico67 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:55:29 AM EST
    he won't be bored now!

    So what does he really mean when he says (none / 0) (#123)
    by zyx on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 12:12:03 PM EST
    "that's a debate I'm happy to have"?

    "I'm really pretty bored with all this, so I'm not going to do that any more"?

    Bored = Dismissive of Clinton (none / 0) (#129)
    by dwmorris on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 01:02:24 PM EST
    I read this as part of the "Obama has already won narrative" being promoted by 90% of the Obama/media complex.  In other words, Clinton's insistence on pursuing a lost cause is getting tedious.

    show of hands (none / 0) (#130)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 01:28:48 PM EST
    How many posters have watched all 21 demo debates? After watching the first 8 and learning nothing new, I too became bored.  If I heard about Edwards blue collar upbringing one more time my head was going to blow.  It is boring. Same stump speeches every 4 hours that are played on the news (the gaffes anyway), and basically regurgitated info that is completely not new to any of the supporters present.  "I intend to make america great again, blah friggin blah"

    What amazes me is the senseless debate we have over the meaningless rhetoric that is our campaign system.

    Here is an idea for any reporter who wants to do some real work, perhaps even commit to writing a real story.  Go back through the past 4 election cycles and find EVERY american mentioned in the debates who "lost their job" "does not have health ins" etc etc, and ask them if the president got them their job back, made our "country great again" made their lives easier etc.  Do it for Hillarys senate races, Mccains, Obamas and give me real stories on how any of these elected officials changed their lives signficantly as a result of their election to higher office.

    Save me the tired bs that it is wrong for a candidate to be bored, if they are not bored than they are completely, wholly full of dung.   I can see why the press looks forward to a flag burning or lapel pin or a flaky minister, they too are bored.

    I am willing to bet that less than 5% of the people on this site watched more than 10 of the debates in full.  I am willing to bet that it is probably true of most Americans.  Why?  

    Because they are boring.

    10 million people (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by abfabdem on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 04:48:55 PM EST
    watched the last one in PA.  There have been only, what, four with just the two of them?  Why not more--there is clearly interest from viewers. It was also interesting how all the pundits decried the "gotcha" questions but in their subsequent coverage of the debate that was ALL they talked about.  What about the second half when she showed her command of the issues?  They said almost nothing about that part.

    so (none / 0) (#163)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 09:14:40 AM EST
    10 million people were exposed to their policy on lapel wearing, kooky pastor statements and what policy?

    I like Hills suggestion of an unmoderated debate on a flatbed Pick-Up truck.

    It will also put things into perspective and help Obama with teh Wright situation.  As an Obama supporter, I don't think he has won many of the debates and think he owes it to his supporters to have an unmoderated debate to demonstrate his readiness and edge over Hill.  Problem is, I don't think he is that good at debate, I think he is a much better thinker and problem solver than Hill but let's have the pepsi challenge.


    Hai. I've watched every single one. (none / 0) (#133)
    by rooge04 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 01:40:42 PM EST
    one down 200 to go (none / 0) (#135)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 02:26:59 PM EST
    congratulations I think.  I wish I had the patience to sit through them all, too much redundancy and surface coverage.  But my hat is off to you.

    We tried to watch all of them (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by lookoverthere on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:42:18 PM EST
    Ordered Indian food and turned 'em on.

    Snore. My paneer tikkah masala was more interesting to look at. But I'm pretty sure I saw the face of Jeebus in the naan.

    When it was just the three---Edward, Clinton, Obama---we watched those attentively.

    I'd love a Lincoln/Douglass debate because it would be the two of 'em asking each other questions. And if they're on the back of a truck, that'd be cooler. Especially if the truck was moving.

    Policy and basic coordination. Now if they had to jump through fiery hoops, we could sell tickets.


    I don't think they want to do that. (none / 0) (#161)
    by BrandingIron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:07:19 AM EST

    In strategy sessions last week, advisers concluded that Mr. Obama, of Illinois, needed to do a better job reminding voters of his biography, including his modest upbringing by a single mother and one of his first jobs as a community organizer helping displaced steel mill workers

    I think that the only people urging others to read Obama's Dreams from My Father are people who haven't actually read the book themselves.  If they had, then they would understand that it is NOT a good idea to get people to read the book, because then all of their fears about Obama will have been realized.

    Background:  I'm a brown guy who grew up in a middle-class/rich white community in a conservative white area of the NorthEast in the 70's and 80's.  I know what it's like to be discriminated against;  my mother was dark and foreign, my father passes for white (he's technically Hispanic, though you wouldn't know it...he easily passes for a white NJ Jew).  So I do understand some of what Obama tries to relate to in his book, but most of what I've been reading has been an angry black man's perspective on the illness of "white people" to "get it", despite having grown up privileged and with a LOT less discrimination in his life than even I had.  So that's the perspective that I'm reading from.

    In Part One of the book he desperately tries to paint his grandparents as a sort of clueless, racist white people, despite anything written about his grandfather is pretty darned accepting of his daughter's relationship and marriage to an African black.  His portrayal of his grandmother is worse, his portrayal of his mother as somewhat of a fetishist (just because she likes black men and said that "Harry Belafonte was the most beautiful man in the world") was even more disturbing.

    He says he turned to Lolo (that Indonesian Muslim his mother married after Barack Sr. left her) for guidance, yet here's a gem on page 39 from Lolo himself:

    "Your mother has a soft heart," Lolo would tell me one day after my mother tried to take the blame for knocking a radio off the dresser.  "That'sa good thing in a woman.  But you will be a man some day, and a man needs to have more sense."

    Nice, and a bit explanatory re: the reluctance to address any of the sexism in the media against Hillary or the refusal to acknwoledge or sense his own ingrained sexism in his own remarks.

    On page 99, he denigrates the very kind of "progressive" student that's voting for him now;  he goes on a rant about how after a pretty "black" girl told him that she wasn't black that she was "multiracial" and that it was blacks who were always forcing her to choose that "that was the problem with people like Joyce" because they avoided black people.  That only "white culture" had individuals and at the end of the rant he gives his most mocking of comments:

    Don't you know who I am?  I'm an individual! (pg. 100)

    Yeah, it was apart form the rest of the rant and definitely came off as sarcastic to me.

    Anyway.  There's also other stuff I'm sure Obama really doesn't want people to see, like how Hussein Obama (his African grandfather) wrote to the Dunhams about how he disapproved of the marriage and didn't want "Obama blood to be sullied by a white woman" (pg. 126).  Of course, Obama never goes into that and leaves it at that, but instead goes on to harp more about his mother (when his mother really did try to give him the best life she could've given him).  When he later describes his sister's visit when they're older, his sister tells Obama about how Barack Sr. liked having a white woman for a wife but was also very pleased to be able to flaunt his "beautiful African wife" at the same time.  Obama never seems to address this polygamy at all, instead opting towards denigrating anything and everything white vs. black.

    I wrote about this in another thread, but he goes off on a huge ramble about black esteem when one of his female AA "friends" had suddenly shown up to his office wearing blue eye contacts (pg. 192-195).

    "What did you do to your eyes?"
    "Oh, these."  Ruby shook her head an laughed.  "They're just contacts, Barack.  The company I work for makes cosmetic lenses, and I get them at a discount.  You like them?"
    "Your eyes looked fine the way they were."
    "It's just for fun," she said, looking down.  "Something different, you know."  (pg. 192)

    and from then on until page 195 he goes on this rambling account about black self-esteem and how he perceived that it couldn't be achieved without subjugating oneself to That Evil Whiteness.  To me, it's like his own version of Farrakhan's "blue eyed devils" comment...he just berated her and made her feel like crap all because she was wearing blue eye contacts!

    Eh.  Each and every instance where he writes of Nation of Islam members he's encountered or of black nationalism is pretty positive.  I'm on page 217, but only because I have to pace myself.  Every time I think he's going to write something that shows he's becoming enlightened towards race relations, he writes something inherently Angry and Black and it sets it back for me.  I can see exactly why he gravitated towards someone like Jeremiah Wright.

    And let's not forget that this book was first published in 1995, well beyond those "I was young and stupid!" years that the lot of us can blame our "youthful indiscretions" upon. So once people DO start picking up the book and stop parroting misquotes/out-of-context words (like that "wop" thing that one of the websites had published...he didn't say that, his great-grandfather on his white side had said that Anne Dunham's father looked like a wop), they will see Barack Obama through clearer eyes and they too will understand why he found Jeremiah Wright to be a "spiritual mentor" (I'm going to say that at the time he probably thought that if he did have any political aspirations, Wright would be better than just up and joining the Nation of Islam outright;  Wright's church is just a...hmm, how do I put it...a more obfuscating version of the Nation of Islam-type of black nationalist spiritualism).

    P.S. (none / 0) (#162)
    by BrandingIron on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 05:09:16 AM EST

    I took "biography" as literal, though I know it isn't.  I do think that people should really read his actual memoir, though.