Bush Vetoes Water Boarding Bill

As expected, President Bush today vetoed the bill banning water boarding.

"This is no time for Congress to abandon practices that have a proven track record of keeping America safe," the president said.

Other practices the bill outlawed:
beating, electrocuting, burning, using dogs... stripping detainees [or] forcing them to perform or mimic sexual acts

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    It was expected, but just horrible (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by NJDem on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:31:13 AM EST
    Isn't someone going to take McCain to task about this?  I just don't get it--he know this better than anyone.

    Just out of curiosity, I'm going to see how long it takes HRC to put out a statement on this.  I've been amazed at her response time lately--and I'll be very surprised and disappointed if there isn't one by the end of the day.  

    Did I miss something? (1.00 / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 09:50:37 AM EST
    Wasn't it President Bush who vetoed the bill?

    McShame was against torture (none / 0) (#17)
    by litigatormom on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 04:49:54 PM EST
    before he was for it.

    Stay tuned for some twisted rationalization from the Doubletalk Express.


    Not surprising but what a disgusting (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Teresa on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:31:54 AM EST
    side of ourselves we present to the rest of the world. Shame on Bush.

    After repeated disappointments, I'm (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Joelarama on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:32:49 AM EST
    glad the Congress managed to send this one to him, for an up-or-down vote.

    This should remind us all who the real "monster" is, and what our real priorities are.

    I wish any of this ever surprised me (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by spit on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:38:18 AM EST
    these days.

    The initial outrage that I had has transformed to a slow, steady mourning.

    That said, I'm glad we sent it to him to be vetoed. Future historians will not be kind to this man.

    I cannot wait to see this man leave the White House. I'd prefer him to be in handcuffs, though.

    McCain Is For Torture (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:52:22 AM EST
    AP) Republican presidential candidate John McCain said President Bush should veto a measure that would bar the CIA from using waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods on terror suspects.

    McCain voted against the bill, which would restrict the CIA to using only the 19 interrogation techniques listed in the Army field manual. [which does not include waterboarding]


    More proof of his utter moral vacancy (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Dadler on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:59:54 AM EST
    A man who was caught bombing and murdering people, who was tortured himself, still wants to inflict that suffering on others -- many, if not most, of whom did nothing even close to the destruction he inflicted in Vietnam.

    The sheer and sickening hypocrisy and malevolence is clear.


    We Will See If Congress (none / 0) (#9)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:04:01 AM EST
    Overturns the veto (snowball in hell). If not, this will be another rope to hang around the GOP's neck in the GE.

    Shameful (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Steve M on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:02:54 AM EST
    What a sad, sad day for America.

    hey, not too shabby! (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by cpinva on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:48:20 AM EST
    that still leaves, aside from waterboarding, burning with red-hot irons, chinese water torture, the rack, flaying alive, thumb/head screws, etc.

    who said those medaevil torture devices should be put in the closet? i think not! consider the exciting new job possibilities:

    GS-11, general torturer, some experience required, will train. some travel required. pay range: $55k - 65K. promotion potential to GS-13.

    homeland security; not just a job, a career!

    Give the cretin a break (none / 0) (#13)
    by jondee on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 01:06:03 PM EST
    He's had to deal with the frustration all these years of not being allowed to do it to Karla Faye Tucker and the rest.

    Waterboarding Bill (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Topher0450 on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 02:55:38 PM EST
    When are we going to impeach Bush? The atrocities that he has committed during his tenure are inexcusable. The sad thing is that he will just continue to punish our country with his policies & slink out of office without being held accountable for his actions.

    What a great way for a 'Christian' man to conduct himself.

    You people amaze me. (5.00 / 0) (#19)
    by nynetguy on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 07:18:38 PM EST
    First of all, the purpose behind this veto had less to do with torture and more to do with preserving Executive Branch powers.

    Look at what was happening here folks. The Congress (Legislative) was trying to pass a bill that would dictate how the CIA, an EXECUTIVE BRANCH OFFICE, would run.

    Am I the only one here who sees this bill as the immense power grab that it was?

    Secondly, let's put things into perspective here. No one is saying that the CIA will have free-reign to just galavant around and torture people on a whim. This is all about the CIA's ability to garner intelligence.

    You lefties cry and whine that we invaded Iraq based on poor intel and then do everything in your power to prevent us the tools from gaining good intel.

    Are you all so delusional as to believe that they "bad guys" will tell us what we want to know if we simply ask them nicely? What a lovely dream world to live in.

    The reality of the matter is that these people believe that they have a mandate from god to murder us and if the only way we can obtain info to save lives is to torture a few murders then I have no problem with allowing that to happen.

    You people need to wake up and realize that the Middle East did not just start hating us all of a sudden with Bush. It's been going back since before Carter (though he did a lot to help destroy Democracy there too!)

    Wake up lemmings.

    More Like (none / 0) (#4)
    by squeaky on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:33:14 AM EST
    This is no time for Congress not want to seek vengeance in the form of torture.

    It is amazing (not really) that Bush would suggest, by using the word 'abandon', that Congress was ever for torture.

    Renditioning and detention may be worse (none / 0) (#10)
    by TrevorWynne on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:38:52 AM EST
    There is reason to believe that the renditioning and detention of prisoners may be far more extensive than thought. Concerns about this are being detailed at http://timelikethis.blogspot.com/

    Are these not already disallowed? (none / 0) (#11)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:40:47 AM EST
    beating, electrocuting, burning, using dogs... stripping detainees [or] forcing them to perform or mimic sexual acts

    If not for the continuing primary race... (none / 0) (#15)
    by Oje on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 03:32:37 PM EST
    I think this thread would easily be the most active thread today, if only to denounce, reject, and decry the President's veto.

    I think I find this the most reprehensible part:

    "The bill Congress sent me would take away one of the most valuable tools in the war on terror," Bush said in his weekly radio address... "This is no time for Congress to abandon practices that have a proven track record of keeping America safe."

    Torture = tool. President Bush thinks of torture entirely in terms of its instrumentality. No means toward a desired end are too vicious, or unprofitable, to Republicans.

    In fact, Bush's characterization of torture as tool conforms to one of the fundamental beliefs of conservatism and an underlying ideology that unites the political coalition of conservatism: Natural resources (big business), religious conversions (religious right), electoral votes (party strategists), and now information (national security) are all commodities - gifts of nature that their god intended to have extracted from the world by all practical means and to all desirable ends.

    Banning torture as a "tool" to extract information would be akin to enforcing regulations on the practices of businesses that extract natural resources from our environment; or expanding state services that may frustrate evangelicals extraction of (Christian) religious conversions; or enforcing civil rights legislation in contravention of Republicans' extraction of electoral votes from the general election. Not gonna happen under this president.

    Bush needs so many "tools" (none / 0) (#18)
    by litigatormom on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 04:54:11 PM EST
    Warrantless domestic spying?  A valuable "tool" against terrorism.

    Torture? "One of the most valuable tools" in the war against terror?

    Even telecom immunity is now a "tool."

    But these are not the real tools in the War on Terra. Bush, Cheney, McCain, and all the other enablers are the most prominent tools in the GWOT.  Not valuable tools. Not effective tools.  Just tools. Useless, morally bankrupt tools.


    this is so sick. i feel nauseous. (none / 0) (#16)
    by kangeroo on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 04:28:54 PM EST

    speaking of lemmings.................... (none / 0) (#20)
    by cpinva on Sun Mar 09, 2008 at 05:05:05 AM EST
    last time i checked, congress kind of holds the ultimate in legislative authority, in spite of bush's assertions to the contrary.

    if bush thinks (and that would be a rare event in and of itself) congress is overreaching, let him say so. he didn't. instead, he made the usual unsupported claim that torture, already outlawed by the geneva conventions, has kept this country safe. fine, let him prove it.

    i shan't hold my breath. by all means, don't let that stop you from holding yours.

    Torturing Bush supporters.... (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 09:26:37 AM EST
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