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    Rumormongering (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:38:14 PM EST
    I heard Barack Obama has 2 black children.
    I also heard that John McCain spent his formative years in a Communist Nation-- How come the media lets Comrade McCain slide of this vital issue?

    the scurrilous rumor (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:40:00 PM EST
    that the clintons love each other and have a real marriage.
    its TRUE!

    Idea (none / 0) (#8)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:47:51 PM EST
    What's the worst sounding rumor that's actually innocuous (see my McCain spending time in a Communist Country remark)?  I think the best I can think of is that Reagan once went to bed with a Chimp.

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    nancy was no beauty but really (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:52:13 PM EST


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    but seriously (none / 0) (#13)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:53:48 PM EST
    I thought McCain having a black child was pretty silly.


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    Bangladesh (none / 0) (#17)
    by Kathy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:56:54 PM EST
    and she is lovely, and I have been wondering if McCain probably called Clinton over that Chelsea/Shuster crap and told her to keep plugging along.

    I tell you what, we need only look at the despicable things done to McCain during that primary to know what is coming down the line.

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    I was just about to say the very (none / 0) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:58:48 PM EST
    same thing about "down the line"


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    It was the most vile thing I've seen (none / 0) (#25)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:05:52 PM EST
    Seriously it made Wille Horton and the Swiftboats (a possible Wonk band name) seem classy and above board. Here was a couple adopting a child who would (due to the inherent prejudice applied to adopting darker skinned children) likely have not found a home, and what is essentially a noble act is twisted into a racist homage to miscegnation.

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    almost as vile as what they did to Cleland (none / 0) (#34)
    by Kathy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:27:03 PM EST
    but, what they did to McCain sickens me so much that I can't join in those who call him McSane or whatever.  That and the war record.  I mean, the guy is twisted bassackwards on his social issues and would make a horrible president, but he has at least earned the respect to keep his name.

    That being said, I understand others don't feel that way so it's their prerogative to make fun.

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    I agree (none / 0) (#38)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:34:27 PM EST
    Literally the only time I've felt like saying the name stuff on McCain was when he voted against the torture restrictions (because I thought it was a compromise of core principles-- like if Obama voted to restore the 3/5 compromise, or Clinton pushed the Human Life Amendment).

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    totally with you (none / 0) (#50)
    by Kathy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:48:36 PM EST
    I didn't say it was easy, but I try not to do it.

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    from Craig Crawford (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:46:48 PM EST
    If Obama cannot beat a wounded Hillary Rodham Clinton in Ohio or Pennsylvania among Democratic primary voters, does he really have much of a chance among general election voters in either state? And if he doesn't, is Obama truly electable?

    Crawford? (none / 0) (#26)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:07:15 PM EST
    Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Craig pretty much in the tank for Clinton?

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    If he can't win? (none / 0) (#79)
    by halstoon on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 09:32:56 PM EST
    When you look at the gap he's closed in TX, it seems pretty clear that he's effective.

    And in OH, she's held him off, but his trend is still sharply upwards, while she is more steady with a small rise.

    When you consider how far down he was on 2/13, his rise is still remarkable, even if she does win.

    Now, if she wins big, especially in both states, I think President Clinton may be right. But I also think he's right if she loses TX.

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    FYI (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by NJDem on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:32:25 PM EST
    HRC's TX Town Hall is about to start--you can watch it streamed on hc.com and local affiliates of Fox Sports? (IIRC?)

    Fox Sports? (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:35:52 PM EST
    Is she going to dunk a ball (that would actually sway me a bit, I mean the sheer amazement would be awesome).

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    going for 3 pointers (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by RalphB on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:47:38 PM EST


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    That really did make me lol. (none / 0) (#47)
    by Teresa on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:46:30 PM EST


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    Town hall (none / 0) (#49)
    by 0 politico on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:48:08 PM EST
    Found it now at:

    http://townhall.hillaryclinton.com/


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    Pew Research Report (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by PlayInPeoria on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:34:41 PM EST

    Not sure how reliable the report may be.

    I like this part ......

    Obama and Clinton both hold modest leads over McCain in a general election matchup; Obama has a 50% to 43% lead and Clinton holds a 50% to 45% edge. But Clinton draws more universal support among Democrats (89%) than does Obama (81%). Conversely, Obama leads McCain slightly among independents (49% to 43%), while McCain edges Clinton among this group by the same margin. There is no evidence that either Obama or Clinton attracts much support from Republicans.

    I find this part disturbing.... If Sen Obama gets the noimination .... he is going to have to change his image with Dems.

    One-in-five white Democrats (20%) say that they will vote for McCain over Obama, double the percentage who say they would switch sides in a Clinton-McCain matchup (10%). Roughly the same number of Democrats age 65 and older say they will vote for McCain if Obama is the party's choice (22%). Obama also suffers more defections among lower income and less educated Democratic voters than does Clinton.


    Isn't it bad for Obama that Nafta-gate (none / 0) (#1)
    by MarkL on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:27:27 PM EST
    has gone international, with Harper being accused by  the opposition of trying to derail Obama's candidacy.
    How can this help Obama?

    NOW we can talking dog videos (none / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:30:04 PM EST
    :-)

    Linked text

    Linked text

    Linked text

    I think kitty is winning! (none / 0) (#73)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:41:08 PM EST
    They always do ;-).

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    Newshour Gwen Ifill on Obama-NAFTA (none / 0) (#3)
    by catfish on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:31:38 PM EST
    Gwen Ifill just did a segment covering the NAFTA-Canada-Obama thing. It ended with a clip of Obama issuing a denial or correction - couldn't make out what he was saying. But he sounded smooth calm and confident.

    scurrilous rumormongering? (none / 0) (#4)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:32:58 PM EST
    isn't that what politics is all about
    ???

    After this is all over I am going open a blog (none / 0) (#9)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:49:38 PM EST
    where serious thoughts won't be allowed.

    Cap Howdy can be your (none / 0) (#10)
    by Cream City on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:51:02 PM EST
    doggerblogger.

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    I'm in! (none / 0) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:52:38 PM EST


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    We would need some scholarly sounding (none / 0) (#14)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:54:03 PM EST
    Name for it.

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    latin maybe (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:54:54 PM EST


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    How about "Semper Ubi, Sub Ubi?" (none / 0) (#39)
    by TomLincoln on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:34:30 PM EST


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    Phonetically (none / 0) (#42)
    by TomLincoln on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:36:12 PM EST
    Always wear UnderWear.

    Semper = Always
    Ubi = Where
    Sub = Under

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    That's Greek (none / 0) (#43)
    by PlayInPeoria on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:36:20 PM EST
    to me.

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    Sophistic schtick of the highest kind (none / 0) (#46)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:42:23 PM EST


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    okay (none / 0) (#16)
    by Kathy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:55:25 PM EST
    Let me get this out of the way:

    One, I feel bad for making Jeralyn feel ooked out.  I truly am sorry.  I think that some of us (well, maybe I will just speak for myself) I have been a bit jazzed about finally getting some good Clinton news so perhaps it went a little to my head.

    And, second, though perhaps not as important, Cream, don't you owe us some pics of your new kitten?

    Cats??? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:58:50 PM EST


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    Awww, you remember (ouch, she just (none / 0) (#51)
    by Cream City on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:48:46 PM EST
    got a claw in me, the li'l anklescratcher). It has been fun here, seeing this pipsqueak settle in and take on the old, massive (27-pound!) fat cat. His reaction is to take over every one of the newbie's favorite spots as fast as he can, faster than a member of Congress taking back the corner office when his party is back in power again. Of course, I find political-junkie parallels these days. I especially enjoy picturing the fat cat as the GOP -- and the upstart literally running circles around him as us in the GE.:-)

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    when our last kitten was brought in (none / 0) (#57)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:09:39 PM EST
    to she showed the big tom who was boss real fast.

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    Nooooooooo. (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:50:59 PM EST


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    oculus (none / 0) (#67)
    by Kathy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:48:30 PM EST
    based on all your comments here, I totally took you for a cat lover.

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    Whispering: (none / 0) (#90)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:49:46 AM EST
    I hate cats.  Sorry.

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    A question for everyone... (none / 0) (#18)
    by robertearl on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 05:58:19 PM EST
    Do you think the longer this Democratic primary drags out it will kill the enthusiasm for our side?
    Maybe I'm really paranoid or something, but I just think we are ruining if for our side.

    Someone, I believe, is gonna have to bow out for the sake of the party. Both sides have given the republicans so much ammo. We need to get the focus back on the right!

    Not really when you consider that the only time (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:00:30 PM EST
    the only time the Democrats beat an Incumbent or won the presidency since 76 it wasn't decided till June.

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    Flawed Analogy (none / 0) (#27)
    by Socraticsilence on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:08:51 PM EST
    Clinton didn't lock up the mathematical certainty till June but I believe by about now he was McCain to Tsongas et al's Huckabee.

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    Don't mean much until you can (none / 0) (#28)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:12:44 PM EST
    prove that you clinched the mathematical.  That has not been done yet.  Everything else is just an assumption on our part.  But what I was addressing was, that a long primary in it self is not bad.  But then that is just an opinion.

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    I have to disagree (none / 0) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:00:51 PM EST
    half the country has not voted yet.
    and I really do believe that we can and will have a united party by convention time.
    but I am an eternal optimist.

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    I don't think that is true (none / 0) (#32)
    by flyerhawk on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:23:28 PM EST
    There are only 15 states left.  And of those only Texas, PA, Ohio and North Carolina have notable populations.  

    I would say that more like 2/3rds have voted already.

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    not me! Imagine how tough Hillary will (none / 0) (#23)
    by MarkL on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:03:07 PM EST
    look if she comes out a winner now?

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    Really don't think so, especially since (none / 0) (#30)
    by RalphB on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:17:50 PM EST
    the "attacks" from both candidates have been so mild compared to what they would face in the fall.  If Obama thinks he's been slimed, he's got another think coming if he's the nominee.  Same goes for Hillary of course.


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    You mean you want to disenfranchise me (none / 0) (#44)
    by TomLincoln on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:39:28 PM EST
    in Puerto Rico?

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    I thought PR was already disenfranchised (none / 0) (#58)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:13:31 PM EST


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    you mean because of (none / 0) (#60)
    by Kathy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:19:28 PM EST
    taxation without representation?

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    No I mean the colonial status (none / 0) (#61)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:21:46 PM EST


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    It's territorial, isn't it, Tom? (none / 0) (#62)
    by Cream City on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:24:54 PM EST
    Not colonial! And any of us not in the original 13 had voting when we were territories until statehood. But statehood, everyone wanted -- because, yes, you not only get taxation without equal represenation; you also don't get back as much of what you pay in to the feds, as much of the bennies like kicking in as much for roadbuilding and other infrastructure.

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    ahem (none / 0) (#63)
    by Kathy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:27:13 PM EST
    as you well know, any MALES of us had voting.

    (btw, I got the Cady Stanton/Anthony doc.  You were right!)

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    I'm so glad you got it -- (none / 0) (#78)
    by Cream City on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 09:27:11 PM EST
    and there is a great PBS website that goes with it, too. Did you have the hours yet to see the beginning and end, the 100-plus-year-old women talking about voting in 1920. They touch my heart every time I show it . . . and students love those grand great-great-grandmas, too.:-) Now, you just let me know when you're ready for a list of more great chick docs -- and maybe some will make it back on the tube for this Women's History Month, too. Something to watch other than political stuff today, great political stuff of the past. . . .

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    Actually it's rather complicated but here (none / 0) (#75)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:59:13 PM EST
    are the opinions of a lawyer the UN and a US Congressman

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    Okay. I nominate Obama to drop out. (none / 0) (#45)
    by Angel on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:41:49 PM EST


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    Don't worry,,,, (none / 0) (#74)
    by robertearl on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:42:57 PM EST
    Take it from an Obama supporter, He WILL NOT get nom.

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    I hope you live somewhere that you already (none / 0) (#81)
    by halstoon on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 09:42:31 PM EST
    voted. If not, please don't buy into the pessimism. That's what they want you to do, 'cuz then your prophecy becomes self-fulfilling.

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    Don't worry, been there before and (none / 0) (#54)
    by Cream City on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:51:19 PM EST
    it will slow down in summer a bit, as a lot of us can have lives again after a bad winter . . . but a real race can mean real coverage of a convention again, and there's nothing more fun. Beats reruns by far. (Unless some blond girl goes missing just at the crucial juncture of a convention, and then you can bet that cable will switch to that but fast.)

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    Hillary in trouble with the hot dog vote (none / 0) (#24)
    by fuzzyone on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:03:56 PM EST
    Gray's Papaya endorsed Obama.  She needs to get the Nathan's endorsement or she is done for.

    How many ney vote senators on the 2002 Iraq (none / 0) (#29)
    by Saul on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:13:19 PM EST
     
    Resolution have held true down the line.  Of the 23 senators who initially voted no to the Iraq resolution in 2002 how many have voted no to all the supplemental spending bills for Iraq that came after the initial invasion of Iraq.   Anybody know?

    You could check in Senate.gov (none / 0) (#31)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:21:10 PM EST


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    Clinton, Obama and Dodd (none / 0) (#35)
    by lilburro on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:29:38 PM EST
    voted AGAINST the most recent spending measure...they were among only 14 who voted nay.

    At least I think the May 25 2007 bill was the most recent one.

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    surely Obama voted against, too? (none / 0) (#36)
    by Kathy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:30:42 PM EST


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    Saul (none / 0) (#40)
    by auntmo on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:35:13 PM EST
    Just  to clarify:   Sen.  Rockefeller   was   NOT  a  ney  voter,    even if  the   Obama  campaign  tried  to claim he  was.   Rockefeller  has  pretty  much  given   the  Bush administration  everything  they wanted,  including   telecom  immunity.    

    Not  sure  I'd  be  too proud  of  that  endorsement,   Barak.    

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    I just had a horrible thought (none / 0) (#33)
    by Florida Resident on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:25:02 PM EST
    Are moving from the President being the People's choice to being Peoples Choice (the magazine)

    Wow (none / 0) (#52)
    by lilburro on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:49:52 PM EST
    Eva Longoria!  This is a much more lively town hall than the other one.  

    Did she dunk??  ;)

    Thanks for reminder, lost track of time (none / 0) (#64)
    by Cream City on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:28:54 PM EST
    but am catching most of it since your tip, split-screening. It is marvelous, so much looser than the last one -- so many stories in all these people, from teachers to veterans to foster families to that incredible man who got his law degree with c.p. and had the question about her plans for people with chronic conditions. This is important to my family, and I really want someone in the White House who knows, as Clinton does, what such families endure daily. They don't need government runaround, too.

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    I was impressed by the questions I heard. (none / 0) (#66)
    by lilburro on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:36:15 PM EST
    I believe the town hall is now replaying as well.  Or, actually, I guess you can just watch it whenever you want?  Not sure.

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    Oh, hey (none / 0) (#55)
    by Kathy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:54:10 PM EST
    Did anyone see Obama answering the question put to him on ABC about whether or not he would be called to testify on behalf of Rezko?  What a lawyerly answer he gave!  He said something like, "I don't know the legalities about that.  You'd have to ask the lawyers."

    !!!

    Hey, Obama, I thought you were a lawyer and, you know, TAUGHT law.  I know it was constitutional, but hey, way to deflect.

    Are Repugs buying votes (none / 0) (#56)
    by scribe on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:06:46 PM EST
    in New Mexico?  Inquiring reporters want to know!

    Last I heard of a vote-buying scandal (per the news reports of the indictment), it was about 10 years ago. The going rate then was alleged to be $40/vote.  If so, the Repugs paying $70 each, seems to be a little in advance of inflation....

    Town Hall (none / 0) (#59)
    by Kathy on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:18:34 PM EST
    Wow, Eva Longoria is gorgeous.  I have only ever seen her tarted up as Gabby.  She is just so classy and composed.

    But, anyway--has anyone heard that back in September, a former Cook County official with a Rezko connection washed up on the Michigan shore with a self-inflicted bullet wound in his head?  Wtf is going on in Chicago?  This is like Al Capone days.

    Jones left his position in county government to create a lobbying firm in association with Tony Rezko, who has been indicted on fraud charges.

    LINK

    Rush Limbaugh (none / 0) (#68)
    by sar75 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:58:51 PM EST
    ...is an idiot, I know.  But he's an influential idiot.

    Why is he urging his audience to vote for Clinton tomorrow?

    At this point, I'm willing to concede that Hillary may be as good a GE candidate as Obama.  I still think Obama has the edge here (although I think that both are huge risks and I sure wish we had a sure thing in what should be a sure year...).  But clearly, it's up in the air on this point.

    Why does the Right seem to be so certain that Obama is the better GE candidate?

    Abrams just (none / 0) (#72)
    by PlayInPeoria on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:35:44 PM EST
    discussed this one. He was let the Repub commentator have it for dirty politics.

    Abrams also had stats that show positive media coverage... Obama 83% and Clinton 53%.

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    My new pet peeve. (none / 0) (#69)
    by BrandingIron on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:26:31 PM EST
    "totes" as a replacement for "totally".

    I HATE THAT.

    I find it funny (none / 0) (#71)
    by flyerhawk on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:32:58 PM EST
    on wonkette.  That's about it.

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    Can't say I care much for this (none / 0) (#70)
    by flyerhawk on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:32:18 PM EST
    Courtesy Matt Stoller

    "I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say," she said. "He's never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002.

    Does she REALLY need to praise John McCain in her question to impugn Obama?  If Obama does become the nominee this is exactly the sort of comment that will be used by McCain.

    I think she was asked what McCain would (none / 0) (#76)
    by Teresa on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 08:59:28 PM EST
    use against Obama, not voluteering it.

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    Slightly better (none / 0) (#77)
    by flyerhawk on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 09:05:07 PM EST
    but she should know better than to answer that question.  

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    I honestly want to know what (none / 0) (#80)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 09:40:26 PM EST
    a certain Alist blogger knows about Clinton.

    I honestly, honestly think both candidates need to be vetted.  If Hillary has more (viable) skeletons, then so be it.  I'll be happy that she loses.

    Take him at his word (none / 0) (#82)
    by catfish on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 10:01:11 PM EST
    is this phrase a way of wiggling out of something "I take him at his word."?

    It's what Hillary said when Steve Kroft asked Hillary if she thought Obama was a Muslim.

    DailyKos has had about four diaries about it, they are freaking out.

    But what if she said "no, definitely not Obama is not a Muslim." Wouldn't that be an insult to Muslims?

    Without big wins Tuesday, HRC (none / 0) (#83)
    by halstoon on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 10:41:46 PM EST
    is likely to get a call from her friend Gov. Bill Richardson (NM).

    Bill himself admitted he "doesn't think she can" be president if she doesn't win TX.

    One of her superdelegates said "She has to win both Ohio and Texas comfortably, or she's out."

    So, assuming she does win OH but loses TX, will Sen. Clinton suspend her campaign? Should she in the name of the party?

    SFMO, but if Obama does pull out a win in TX, people like Richardson will endorse him, some will abandon Clinton, and she'll have no choice but to see the writing on the wall. I also don't think President Clinton will allow her to continue. His legacy is already on shaky ground, and risking damage to the party won't be something he wants to do.

    Clinton Wants Bipartisan Cabinet (none / 0) (#84)
    by AdrianLesher on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 10:46:04 PM EST
    She just said so on the Daily Show.

    What Goolsbee told the Canadians (none / 0) (#85)
    by halstoon on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 10:54:43 PM EST
    "On NAFTA, Goolsbee suggested that Obama is less about fundamentally changing the agreement and more in favour of strengthening/clarifying language on labour mobility and environment and trying to establish these as more `core' principles of the agreement."

    Link

    Isn't that the crux of what both Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton have been saying?

    New ARG poll (none / 0) (#86)
    by NJDem on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 11:00:22 PM EST
    I know, I know, but he's not as bad as Zobgy:
    Final ARG Poll:

    Texas: Hillary 50, Obama 47
    Ohio: Hillary 56, Obama 42

    Take it with a grain of salt...

    Yeah she did refer to a bipartisan cabinet on the show, but qualified it by saying issues that are not either dem/rep, like national security, ala Sec. Cohen--who is a liberal/moderate Rep.  

    I realize this is similar to BO, but she is also reflecting what her husband did and didn't name names nor mention a VP slot--for what it's worth.

    Oh, I can care less what Richardson says.

    sorry, should have added a (none / 0) (#87)
    by NJDem on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 11:01:50 PM EST
    link

    Books the candidates would bring (none / 0) (#88)
    by NJDem on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:17:22 AM EST
    to the White House.  I realize this is an older article, but it's worth repeating.  How can any real progressive not agree with HRC's choice--she nailed it! I really think this should have recieved more press:

    Ooops, (none / 0) (#89)
    by NJDem on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 12:17:52 AM EST
    link

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