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Violence In Iraq

By Big Tent Democrat, Section War In Iraq
Posted on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 12:53:16 PM EST
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The news today from Iraq:

Suicide bombings across Iraq killed nearly 150 and injured scores, including a massive truck assault in a northern Shiite village that ripped through a crowded market, officials said Saturday.

The violence came as the U.S. military on Saturday reported the deaths of eight American soldiers over the past two days, all killed in combat or by roadside bombs in Baghdad and the western province of Anbar. A British soldier was reported killed in fighting in southern Iraq.

The worst carnage unfolded in the Shiite Turkoman village of Amarly, 50 miles south of Kirkuk, when a suicide bomber rammed a truck laden with explosives into the central market, which is near a police station, officials said. The attack killed at least 115 people and wounded at least 210, according to district and hospital officials, adding that they expected the death toll to rise.

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    It is not a good sign at all (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 12:55:23 PM EST
    that the violence is moving further north. The Kurds are unsettled to begin with.

    Also (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Al on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 01:41:28 PM EST
    Turkey may join the fighting. The Turkish military are very worried about a Kurdish threat from Iraq.

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    Already happened (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Edger on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 02:24:04 PM EST
    The Independent, 07 June 2007:
    Several thousand Turkish troops crossed into northern Iraq in pursuit of Kurdish guerrillas...


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    Sure it is (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by scarshapedstar on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 02:13:21 PM EST
    Chaos is the plan. Always has been.

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    Violence in Iraq=Future Violence in America (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 02:28:08 PM EST
    The other side of the violence is that some call Iraq the Timothy McVeigh Finishing School. The military is continuing to enlist violent gang members who see the heavy arms training and practice a must for the future revolution in America.

    "Think about it," he said. "Fifteen thousand gang members released on the streets of America after Iraq is over, trained in arms and combat by the best military in the world." What hits the press is only the tip of the iceberg, he fears. "Among the extremists, you're on a mission . . . these guys are secret agents in their own minds." The problem is one for the future, he said, "and it's huge."

    And what is the military doing about it: nothing.

    "Recruiters are knowingly allowing neo-Nazis and white supremacists to join the armed forces," Barfield said, "and commanders don't remove them . . . even after we positively identify them as extremists or gang members." The military downplayed a neo-Nazi presence in the ranks, Barfield added, "because then parents who are already worried about their kids signing up and dying in Iraq are going to be even more reluctant about their kids enlisting if they feel they'll be exposed to gangs and white supremacists."

    orincus

    Withdrawl should be... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by TomStewart on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 09:46:15 PM EST
    back to Afghanistan. Let's fix that mess and get that country back to some sort of normality and get out of the middle of the Iraq civil war. I know, without America (no dang, I'm not gonna say America when I mean BUSH!), without BUSH Iraq wouldn't have this problem (they'd have others), but we have to leave sometime and give the country back to the Iraqis.

    Man, I'm an American, and I hate to walk away, it really pains me to leave a mess of this size, but there is no winning this thing, and Iraq is going to have to pull together and sort this out themselves.

    Man, no good choices, just ugly and less ugly.

    Leave a mess of this size? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Edger on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 10:44:20 PM EST
    Bush is making the mess, and keeping it growing. It will shrink without US troops in Iraq.

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    True (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by TomStewart on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 11:25:59 PM EST
    Bush made this mess, but it's America that has to walk away, and hope for the best.

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    Yes. (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Edger on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 11:53:50 PM EST
    And one of the repug talking points is...

    If the United States leaves Iraq things will really get bad:

    This appears to be the last remaining, barely-breathing argument of that vanishing species who still support the god-awful war. The argument implies a deeply-felt concern about the welfare and safety of the Iraqi people. What else could it mean? That the US military can't leave because it's needed to protect the oil bonanza awaiting American oil companies as soon as the Iraqi parliament approves the new written-in-Washington oil law? No, the Bush administration loves the people of Iraq. How much more destruction, killing and torturing do you need to be convinced of that? We can't leave because of the violence. We can't leave until we have assured that peace returns to our dear comrades in Iraq.
    But it's a fallacy. Things will get better.

    Iraq will get fixed. But it will not be republicans or democrats, or even the U.S. that fixes it.

    The US presence is the problem.

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    We agree (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by TomStewart on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 12:17:15 AM EST
    But, my mom always told me to clean up my own mess. I think the Iraqis can do better fixing their own country themselves.

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    I do too, Tom. (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Edger on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 12:22:42 AM EST
    In fact, I think that is what they are doing right now.

    The sooner Bush can be made to withdraw the troops the better it will be for all concerned, I think.

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    My biggest concern at the moment ... (none / 0) (#4)
    by Meteor Blades on Sat Jul 07, 2007 at 02:17:11 PM EST
    ...is that the "bipartisan" compromise will turn out to be what Yglesias is calling "withdrawal lite," a somewhat modified version of the Iraq Study Group's partial withdrawal (no deadlines) with a residual force of 30-50,000 left in Iraq for an indefinite period.

    Although it's far from perfect, the liberal-hawk Korb-Katulis-Juul proposal - Strategic Reset (which is actually Strategic Deployment 3.0) - is much better (only 10,000 troops left, and those in Kurdistan and only until the end of 2009).

    Not sure anyone will agree (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 08, 2007 at 11:28:45 AM EST
    to cutting back to 10,000 in the North till 2009, some soldiers feel like that is too dangerous and truly leaves uniforms out there as sitting ducks.  I think we are going to get stuck with the 30,000, zero would be the best choice.

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