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Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S.

Via the Guardian:

North Korea is threatening war against the United States for its ``hostile attitude.'' As North Korea warned of physical retaliation for increased U.S. pressure over its reported atomic test, South Korea discussed preparations for a nuclear attack that could include an expanded conventional arsenal. North Korea said in its first formal statement since the test that it could respond to U.S. pressure with ``physical'' measures.

``If the U.S. keeps pestering us and increases pressure, we will regard it as a declaration of war and will take a series of physical corresponding measures,'' the North's Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency. The statement didn't specify what those measures could be.

[Hat tip Patriot Daily.]

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  • Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dadler on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 09:32:25 AM EST
    Check this old Washington Monthly piece out to read how the effective diplomacy of the Clinton Administration was effectively flushed down the toilet by, you guessed it, Dubya's cadre of failed and discredited and disgraced sycophants. Bush essentially came in, disprespected and denigrated everything he could, all the hard work that had been done, insulted diplomats and leaders with his ignorance and thuggishness, and in the process set back for probably decades a peaceful path that had been started.

    Great. Good work. The Korean people I know personally are some of the most peaceful, hardworking, good people I know. Bush's cowboy diplomacy has worked wonders. Don't talk to them. Don't lift a finger to help them feed their people. Isolate them. Not only don't try to forge any links or common bonds between the people in NK and the people in the US, but demonize all of them instead. Back them into a corner. And do all of this with a national leader who is most likely as looney as they come holding power in their country. And now the best idea bush can come up with is sanctions. Great. Good work. Starve their people even further. Make Kim Jong Il long like a defending, avenging angel to the North Koreans. Great. Good work. Drive the crazy nutbar running their country right over the edge. One more reason to start looking long and hard and critically at US Foreign Policies, particularly as implemented by the completely incompetent Bush administration. Princeton University's Final Report released last month proposing a new guiding framework for U.S. National Security in the 21st Century, in it's Executive Summary, had this to say:
    Bringing Governments up to PAR: Democracy is the best instrument that humans have devised for ensuring individual liberty over the long term, but only when it exists within a framework of order established by law. We must develop a much more sophisticated strategy of creating the deeper preconditions for successful liberal democracy - preconditions that extend far beyond the simple holding of elections. The United States should assist and encourage Popular, Accountable, and Rights regarding (PAR) governments worldwide. To help bring governments up to PAR, we must connect them and their citizens in as many ways as possible to governments and societies that are already at PAR and provide them with incentives and support to follow suit. Building a Liberal Order: The system of international institutions that the United States and its allies built after World War II and steadily expanded over the course of the Cold War is broken. Every major institution - the United Nations (U.N.), the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank, the World Trade Organization (WTO), the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) - and countless smaller ones face calls for major reform. The United States has the largest stake of any nation in fixing this system, precisely because we are the most powerful nation in the world. Power cannot be wielded unilaterally, and in the pursuit of a narrowly drawn definition of the national interest, because such actions breed growing resentment, fear, and resistance. We need to reassure other nations about our global role and win their support to tackle common problems.
    Let's not hear anymore ridiculous claims from the right that the left simply 'hates' Bush, but never produces any concrete suggestions as to what they would differently in the world arena to create real safety and national security. Liberals are the only ones working on producing any concrete workable ideas. The current policies have brought us once again to the brink of a "nukular" war. Great. Good work... ---edger

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#1)
    by scarshapedstar on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 09:58:36 AM EST
    Ah geez, I've wet myself. You know what that means. Time to vote Republican!

    that's right-we did it to NK, drove them right over the edge. you ever thought that the leader of the country could care less about feeding his people? he is a psychopath (the real thing, not the fantasy indulged in by the left about bush). we avoided cowboy diplomacy and chose to rely on words-look at the result.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 09:58:36 AM EST
    GDub just might be crazy enough to take them up on their offer. I've got no quarrel with the North Korean people. If they want a bomb...be my guest. Since my country is in possesion of thousands of them I'm in no position to criticize.

    I suppose we can expect Bush to soon come up with another ridiculous, shoot from the hip, mindless, reality denying statement rivalling the idiocy he displayed in the January 2006 SOTU speech when, referring to Islamic terrorism and displaying his assumption that the America people are so stupid that they can't see through him, he made the brilliant statement that: "We have entered a great ideological conflict we did nothing to invite." ---edger

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#7)
    by Al on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 11:48:50 AM EST
    So what Kim Jong Il is saying is that he now has a nuclear weapon, which could be used in a terrorist attack against the US. Since most of us would agree that would be a very bad thing, how can we avert it? My two cents: I don't think posturing will change anything.

    Dadler are you kidding me? The policy by Clinton is what got us into this mess. Not only did we give them food, technology, oil etc... but we signed a deal with them in 1994 that they started violating before the ink was dry. Please read up on the facts before making statements like... "effective diplomacy of the Clinton Administration" I don't care what article you site the facts are simple. Neither the Bush nor Clinton administration kept them from getting the bomb. One on one talks, group talks, international pressure it all has been tried. The guy is crazy. He wants Nukes. Nothing short of invasion is going to stop someone that wants them that bad. The real question is what do we do now. The blame game is silly and I thought you above it.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Peaches on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 12:03:39 PM EST
    I think the above anonymous must be from B-Brain. It would be just like him to suggest someone read up on something and then dismiss whatever might contradict his propaganda slogans he goes to sleep at night repeating. Clinton evil...CLinton is at fault...Clinton did wrong...Clinton must be stopped... Democracy Now interviews University of Chicago professor Bruce Cumings I know you won't read it. I doubt you can even read, B-Brain. But for the rest here's a taste of interview
    AMY GOODMAN: Yesterday, Arizona Senator John McCain gave a speech in Detroit, and he said, "I would remind Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and other critics of the Bush administration policies that the Framework Agreement of the Clinton administration was a failure." Explain what that Framework Agreement was. BRUCE CUMINGS: Well, it was an agreement that came after a very dire threat of war in 1994 that froze their entire plutonium facility at Yongbyon in North Korea. They had seals on the doors, closed-circuit television, and at least two UN inspectors on the ground, 24/7, all the time. So there isn't any possibility of that agreement having failed. It held for eight years and denied North Korea the plutonium that would have allowed them to make more bombs. Senator McCain is engaged in some sort of demagoguery here, because I don't know a single expert who would say that that Framework Agreement was not successful, at least for eight years, in keeping North Korea's plutonium facility shutdown. Now, the enriched uranium program is not even clearly a program for a bomb. It may be to enrich uranium for light-water reactors that were expected to have been built by the United States and its allies. But even if it is for a bomb, it's much more difficult to enrich uranium to a weapons grade and create a uranium bomb than it is to create a plutonium bomb, plus they already have now, thanks to the Bush administration's policies, the wherewithal for six to eight plutonium bombs, so in effect they don't even need the other program. People say North Korea cheated. Wow, isn't that really terrible? Kim Jong-il cheated. I don't know anyone who thinks that Kim Jong-il is a person who can be trusted, but I do know that North Korea kept that agreement made in 1994 and the U.S. did not. We pledged ourselves to normalize relations with North Korea. We didn't do that. We pledged ourselves to build light-water reactors. They got started in 2002. So when you actually look at that agreement between country X and country Y, rather than the endlessly demonized North Korean regime, you see that we are responsible, as well as the North Koreans, for the current situation. But as far as Senator McCain is concerned, he is just flat wrong. It's not a partisan question. It's a question of knowing what that agreement was and whether it was carried out or not.


    my country has thousands of them, why should I worry? is that the intellectual heights reached by the left? see any difference between the pipsqueak psychopath of NK and what might be called civilization? why not move there and speak the truth to power?

    Kdog: No doubt, you being a free market type, would be happy to see the norks sell one to who ever wants to cough up the money.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 12:40:38 PM EST
    The guy is crazy. He wants Nukes
    Does that make us crazy as well? I mean we want new nukes, and we have thousands of ready nukes. I too think Kim is whacky, but the US is in no position to criticize the nuclear ambitions of another country when we have the 2nd largest arsenal in the world. (I think Russia still has us beat by a couple hundred warheads) Say we are neighbors, and I have 5000 guns in my house. You buy one gun, and I have a fit. That's what we look like....in other words, hysterical idiots. Maybe at one time we had the trust and admiration of enough of the world to make such demands, but no more. Squandered in Iraq.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Gabriel Malor on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 12:40:38 PM EST
    For ten years the US and other countries have tried to keep North Korea from acquiring nuclear weapons. After 10 years, we have failed. We need to look long and hard at our methods and determine which were not effective. Arguing over the shape of the table at conferences should be first on the list.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 01:41:14 PM EST
    We need to look long and hard at our methods and determine which were not effective.
    Isn't it obvious why it wasn't effective? We have thousands of nukes. To protect yourself from US or another nuclear state's aggression, you need a nuke. The Bush doctrine of pre-emptive war has only made the rush to get a nuke more pressing for non-nuclear countries.
    No doubt, you being a free market type, would be happy to see the norks sell one to who ever wants to cough up the money.
    Happy? Of course not. What would make me happy is the US taking the lead in worldwide disarmament. Absent that, I don't see how we can make nuclear non-proliferation demands with a straight face.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#15)
    by Gabriel Malor on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 02:54:48 PM EST
    Say we are neighbors, and I have 5000 guns in my house. You buy one gun, and I have a fit. That's what we look like....in other words, hysterical idiots.
    It would be more accurate to say that we have 5000 guns (nukes) in our house--and have never declared our intent to use them in anything but a defensive capacity--and he has 1 or 2 which he has indicated he will use. That's why people are concerned. Because Kim Jung Il is much, much more likely to bomb someone than the US, Russia, China, or the UK.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Sailor on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 03:33:27 PM EST
    it would be more accurate to say that we have 5000 guns (nukes) in our house--and have never declared our intent to use them in anything but a defensive capacity
    That's completely wrong, the US has always, and especially since 'all options are on the table and we reserve the right to attack any country first' bush has been elected.
    The Pentagon has drafted a revised doctrine for the use of nuclear weapons that envisions commanders requesting presidential approval to use them to preempt an attack by a nation or a terrorist group using weapons of mass destruction. The draft also includes the option of using nuclear arms to destroy known enemy stockpiles of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.


    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#20)
    by Sailor on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 03:40:40 PM EST
    For ten years the US and other countries have tried to keep North Korea from acquiring nuclear weapons. After 10 years, we have failed.
    Actually, we were successful for the first 4 ... gee, I wonder what changed?

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#16)
    by cpinva on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 03:50:11 PM EST
    The statement didn't specify what those measures could be.
    hmmmmm, i figure a couple of hundred NK soldiers, with a good running start, could hurl that bad boy probably 500-600 feet. how wide is the DMZ?

    Gabriel - Kim is crazy. No question. But not stupid. There would be nothing left of North Korea for him to be "Dear Leader" of, and he knows it. He's after power. Not obliteration. Kim Jung Il is much, much more likely to bomb someone than the US, Russia, China, or the UK... ...if North Korea is attacked. ---edger

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 03:50:11 PM EST
    The state of the world is always a cause for concern. Even Kim knows he uses a nuke or invades the south...game over. It's tough talk...desperate tough talk from a tyrant. The point is we don't have a leg to stand on. Bush screwed the pooch with his axis of evil routine. After invading 1 of the 3...it's a no-brainer the other 2 are gonna ramp up their war machines, making the world less safe and more of a cause for concern.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimcee on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 03:50:11 PM EST
    Kdog, You are usually more astute than your earlier posts indicate. Yes the US is armed to the teeth and has been since the cold war began but we have never threatened the use of nukes except in defense of our country. That you think that NoKo, a nutty, vile totalitarian state has every right to posses them is just unserious and you know it. Despite the screeching blame game from both sides of the aisle Kim Jong Il will keep trying to develop weaponized black-mail to support his disgusting regime and his people will continue to live in destitute slavery until that regime ends. Using your logic the allies in WWII should not have destroyed the 'heavy water' plants in Scandinavia to deprive the Axis of that precious commodity. Using your logic the Allies should have let the Axis have thier chance to develop nuclear weaponry because we were doing the same. Personally I'm tired of the partisan silliness. The NoKo situation was not changed one iota by the Clinton/Carter agreement regardless of the protestations of the Left. If anything the agreement allowed NK to get the plutonium it needed to use in what now appears to be a failed nuclear detonation. We supplied the fissionable material that NK posseses today under that agreement. Kim Jong Il was not driven to nuclear weapons development by Bush's rhetoric he was well on his way before the 9/01 speech. Again you are just being silly.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#22)
    by Sailor on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 04:29:33 PM EST
    Yes the US is armed to the teeth and has been since the cold war began but we have never threatened the use of nukes except in defense of our country.
    Wrong, see above.
    The NoKo situation was not changed one iota by the Clinton/Carter agreement regardless of the protestations of the Left.
    Wrong again. They didn't have nukes, we're containing the materials and now, since bush has threatened them, have acquired nukes via bush's good friend pakistan.
    We supplied the fissionable material that NK posseses today under that agreement.
    That is a complete fabrication. You can't make nukes from light water reactors, which is why we were selling them to NK in exchanges for their spent fuel rods from the russian heavy water reactors. Ya know, just repeating rush's and bill o' lielly's talking points doesn't make it true. Think, and do research, for yourself.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#23)
    by John Mann on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 05:14:59 PM EST
    It would be more accurate to say that we have 5000 guns (nukes) in our house--and have never declared our intent to use them in anything but a defensive capacity
    I guess you forgot about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, not to mention the fact that the United States is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons to attack another country. It wouldn't surprise me a bit to see Mr. Bush using them to attack all the countries that now hate the United States because of his maniacal policies. That should pretty much empty the arsenal.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#24)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 05:30:12 PM EST
    If anything the agreement allowed NK to get the plutonium it needed to use in what now appears to be a failed nuclear detonation. We supplied the fissionable material that NK posseses today under that agreement. This is BS. The plutonium for their bombs came from Russian reactors sold and built before 1994. The uranium was obtained in accordance with international law. Yellowcake is easily accessed. This is why the Niger report is such BS. Iraq had tons of the stuff. But it's useless without 65,000 centrifuges and 1,000,000 sq ft of factory space. That was the whole reason for the events that led to the Agreed Framework. NK WAS reprocessing uranium in 1993. Clinton's team got them to STOP. Bush caused them to START up again. It's that simple. It would have been up to Gore to make sure the light water reactors, which were monitored and could NOT be used for making bomb grade plutonium, were completed. I would be interested in some solid documentation that NK successfully reprocessed uranium into bomb grade material between 1994 and 2002. I won't hold my breath.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimcee on Wed Oct 11, 2006 at 09:25:16 PM EST
    Che, You do need to get out more, try reading something that doesn't parrot your own views because I'm not going to do it for you if you are too lazy to do it for yourself. Sailor, If you are correct that the fissionable material was of Russian origin then that only proves that NoKo was already in violation of the Clinton/Carter agreement as they didn't turn that material over to the IAEA. So in effect there was no agreement, at least by Kim Jong Il. We supplied the fuel oil and light water reactor technology and Kim kept refining his nuclear program. You folks are such suckers for totalitarians. What's with that?

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#27)
    by Sailor on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 09:24:01 AM EST
    If you are correct that the fissionable material was of Russian origin then that only proves that NoKo was already in violation of the Clinton/Carter agreement as they didn't turn that material over to the IAEA.
    Yes, they did, the treaty was working. the new materials came from raw uranium. you really should try to read the linked articles.

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#26)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 10:09:04 AM EST
    That you think that NoKo, a nutty, vile totalitarian state has every right to posses them is just unserious and you know it.
    No jimcee...I don't know it. It's simple logic to me, and plain to see if you take off the patriotic blinders. Nothing would make me happier than the people of N. Korea rising up and pulling a Marie Antionette on old Kim Jong. Playing "big swinging d*cks" with Kim isn't helping the N. Korean people.

    Edger... Let's not hear anymore ridiculous claims from the right that the left simply 'hates' Bush Ridiculous? Ha...your long diatribe just re-inforces it! Anyone with any brains knows that North Korea has nukes now for one reason & one reason only... BILL CLINTON! Try reading something other than lefty blogs once in awhile. Clinton looked the other way for years (no inspections were needed...!) while this dictator completely dissed him and his 'plan'! And yet you all still find a way to blame Bush! If that isn't pure hate...I don't know what is? Kim is crazy. No question. But not stupid. Kinda like suicide bombers? Are they thinking of what harm might come to them? Besides...the whole "they will cease to exist" thing is in severe doubt with all the politically correct lefties running around screaming! Hell, we can't even interrogate prisoners...much less fire nukes back at somebody! Kdog... and I have 5000 guns in my house. You buy one gun, and I have a fit The difference being...I have 500 guns to protect my family..(and have not shot any of them at you)..you, on the other hand, bought your gun with the express intent (because you told me so) to actually shoot at me. Big difference there ol pal. What would make me happy is the US taking the lead in worldwide disarmament. In this day & age...that would be suicide. John Mann... United States is the only country to have ever used nuclear weapons to attack another country. Uh...just in case nobody told you...Japan actually attacked us! Sailor.... Yes, they did, the treaty was working. Yeah...sure. You are on of 2 people on the planet that actually believe that. The "FACT' is... Kim started cheating almost immediately! Try actually reading some facts and stop 'blindly' supporting Clinton (something you all have no problem accusing us of doing with GW)

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#31)
    by Sailor on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 12:55:54 PM EST
    Anyone with any brains knows that North Korea has nukes now for one reason & one reason only... BILL CLINTON!
    funny, NK didn't have nukes for 8 years under clinton, now after 6 years under bush they have them.

    Ooohhh - kaaayyy, BB. Feel better now? ---edger

    Re: Report: North Korea Threatens War Against U.S. (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 12, 2006 at 03:31:07 PM EST
    Kinda like suicide bombers
    BB...No world leader has ever committed a suicide bombing. Only poor extremist suckers do that! Kim doesn't really want a war dude...don't be obtuse. He wants to keep eating caviar while his people starve...the only way to accomplish that is to scare his people into thinking we will attack...just like Bush is scaring us into thinking they will attack to maintain his party's power. It's a game. A game I don't wanna play.
    What would make me happy is the US taking the lead in worldwide disarmament. In this day & age...that would be suicide.
    I think it's the opposite...to continue on the current path of a new worldwide arms race is more likely to result in our demise.

    aphrael at Kuro5hin has written and posted yesterday a very good short article in which he, at pains to remain as thoroughly non-partisan as I've seen anyone be on this subject, nonetheless asks some very thoughtful questions and makes some very disturbing points about the ramifications and potential consequences of North Korea becoming a nuclear armed isolated pariah nation. I have no other comment on his post at the moment, other than to say it is disturbing, and raises tough questions and makes strong points that are undeniably uncomfortable, though necessary to consider, and is worth reading. The clock is ticking. No matter what we do, it seems. ---edger