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Concealer as the New Terror Threat

I happened to catch some of Bush's speech Monday while waiting for my flight to take off. My response to President Bush: I'll take a chance a terrorist with a bomb is seated next to me. Stop the insane airport security measures.

I'm no statistician but I'll bet I had a one thousand time greater chance of dying in a car crash driving back from Aspen on Monday than I did of being on a flight yesterday with a terrorist onboard poised to commit mayhem.

How absurd has flying become? Let me describe my morning yesterday. I drove to the airport and headed to the departure level where Denver's nice police officers let you leave your car running at the curb while you get out and hand your bag to the skycap for checking. Normally, particularly with Frontier, there's no waiting. Monday, the line was so long there were ropes corralling people. Why? Because everyone is checking luggage now that you can't bring anything from toothpaste to shampoo on board. There was no way could I leave my car unattended at curbside so long, not to mention I'd miss my flight, so I headed to valet parking.

At valet parking, I dump the car, lug my two bags inside but here too the lines were insanely long and if I waited, I would have missed my flight. So I figure I'll check one bag at the gate. I maneuver the bags from ticketing in the main terminal to security at Concourse A. There's now 30 minutes to departure. The security agent calls for a search of my bag. The offender: my makeup - in particular, my concealer which is neither liquid nor the squirt kind. Then he pulls out my lip gloss and says it's a no-no. Then my stick foundation. Then my moisturizer. At first I think I'll let them dump it all, just to make the plane. But as I watch the pile of no-no items grow, the Creme de le Mer, the Jurlique, the Mac concealer and foundation and more, I realize it will cost about $300 to replace it all and I'm not likely to find it in downtown Omaha. Nor am I going to go to court without it. So I resign myself to taking a later flight and shlep the bags back to to the terminal to check the one with my dangerous makeup. The very contrite guard at security gave me a red badge so when I returned I could go to the front of the line. You could tell they thought taking my concealer and makeup was as stupid as I did.

I get back to the check-in counter and it's now 15 minutes till my flight leaves. The Frontier agent thinks I can still make the flight. She checks my bag and sends me back to the concourse and security. I do the whole thing again. waving my red badge. Then I go running to gate 31 as specified on my boarding pass. But when I get to gate 31, the sign says San Diego and I hear a last call boarding announcement for Omaha at gate 39, which of course is at the other end of the concourse. I run to the other end of the concourse, wheeling my other carry-on with my case files and computer, and finally reach gate 39, practically wheezing by this time. The Frontier rep at the gate takes one look at me and said, "It will be all right." I said, "No it won't."

And it won't be all right. Not because of Frontier or any other airline, but because of the stupid airport rules that have nothing to do with making us safer except in the minds of gullible Americans.

I boarded and got to my seat, only to find the tv tuned to President Bush doing his latest terror spiel. If I had a magic marker with me, I would have drawn a big X on the tv screen. Instead, I put the barf bag over the screen to cover his face. I listened but could not stand to look at him.

What terrorists are in our midst? The only ones I know of are in the Bush Administration - grabbing more power and diminishing our rights at every turn.

This is all a political game to him and Republicans. Bush wants to help Republicans win in November. So he's inventing a terror threat at home. He says we need more laws and there will be more wiretapping. And the stupid, stupid people in the audience listening to him clapped their hands in thunderous applause when he promised more wiretapping.

There have been no attacks in the U.S. since 9/11. And it's not because taking my concealer or your lighter or knife at the airport prevented one. Gas is $3.00 a gallon, the economy still sucks for all but the big corporations and our freedoms are diminishing as I write this. It's not the terrorists' fault, it's the fault of our fear-mongering politicians. War wins elections, whether it's the war on crime, the war on drugs, the war against immigrants or the war against terror. Rachet up the fear and people will come out to vote..

I want the airports back to the way they were before 9/11. I want my country back. And if that means I have to risk sitting next to Osama bin Laden, Richard Reid or one of their demented minions on an airplane, I'll take the risk. How many airplane attacks have there been in the U.S. since September 10, 2001? Three, all on September 11. How many fatal car crashes have there been? How many people died of cancer? How many people died skiing into a tree? All of those are more likely fates than being blown up on a plane in the U.S.. Give me back my concealer and toothpaste, I'll take my chances.

One post-script: While waiting for my checked bag at baggage claim (which amazingly made the flight), I was talking to a young-looking, age 30-something white male. He began the morning in Orlando where they took his flexident that he needed to put in his teeth. He was so humiliated, spending all those hours on airplanes and changing flights without his teeth. Suffice it to say, he won't be voting Republican in November either.

Don't tell me the answer is racial profiling. It's not. The answer is to stop the fear mongering and the insane security measures and tell the American people the truth. Airline travel is no more dangerous now than it's ever been. There's risks involved with everything, even staying home where you might fall down the stairs and break your hip. Accept the risks and stop the moaning about fear and terrorism. It may happen but so could being struck by lightening. That's life.

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  • Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 06:24:00 AM EST
    TL - An excellent post, and as someone who has traveled commercial air for over 40 years, I have shared your frustration. At one time flying was mostly done by those with money, and/or on business, people dressed up for the flight, and rude behavior was almost unheard of. Times have changed. Partly because society as a whole has become more coarse. And partly because what was security against the occasional hijacker has turned into security against a foe who has demonstrated a desire to use airliners as a weapon.
    I'm no statistician but I'll bet I had a one thousand time greater chance of dying in a car crash driving back from Aspen Sunday than I did of being on a flight yesterday with a terrorist onboard poised to commit mayhem.
    Safety in a car and safety in a plane are two separate issues. Kill yourself, and maybe a few others in a car wreck it is a personal tragedy. Get killed in a plane crash it is national news. Get killed in a plane because of a terrorist attack and it is international news with consequences for millions, far beyond the immediate death and destruction. Among those: The various terrorist organizations are heartened by the success, and emboldened to do more. Moderate Moslems through out the world are shown that the radicals are very powerful, and can attack and kill, even in he US. This dramatically impacts the will of the moderates to resist the radicals. The travel industry is severely impacted. Millions of people lose jobs, pay, etc. The impact is so large that the entire economy is impacted, causing problems for millions more. So the issue isn't just how brave you want to be. It is a national issue with international significant. And while we can argue about the details, I don't think there is any argument about the need for strict and invasive security. Odds and ends from the post:
    where they took his flexident that he needed to put in his teeth.
    So, did this guy show up without his teeth? Most people I know put their dentures in at home, and then go to the airport. And if he had not, why didn't he merely go to the nearest restroom, put in his dentures, and proceed onward. Somehow I don't believe this guy's story. Or there's more to it.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#6)
    by Che's Lounge on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 07:50:16 AM EST
    Meanwhile the 4 pounds of C-4 that passed without scanning detonate at 5000 feet right on schedule. It's all Clinton's fault.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#7)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 08:33:07 AM EST
    Che - And your point is that because we still have problems we shouldn't attempt to correct them? You're in medicene, try this on. "We know the patient has cancer, so we should just give up trying to treat his broken arm." And pleaseeeee. Give up on trying to change the subject. Clinton isn't the issue here. You know it, I know it and the traveling public knows it.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#10)
    by Sailor on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 08:54:44 AM EST
    Give up on trying to change the subject. Clinton isn't the issue here.
    jeebus is ppj irony impaired!
    Most people I know put their dentures in at home, and then go to the airport.
    most people I know with dentures put them in every day, whether they are traveling or not.
    And your point is that because we still have problems we shouldn't attempt to correct them?
    I won't presume to speak for Che, but bush has had years to get effective explosives screening in place and has failed to do so. The japanese have an effective liquids exp detector, the WH has effective detectors ... but bush can't be bothered to protect us, instead they go thru the motions, like making people pour possible binary explosives into the same container.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#12)
    by Patriot Daily on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 09:08:47 AM EST
    what a beautiful post. not only informative, but as i read i was actually watching a film in my eyes of jeralyn's misadventure with airport "insecurity" because these stupid measures are taking guards away from performing real security measures.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 09:11:27 AM EST
    It may happen but so could being struck by lightening.
    or being skewered by a sting ray.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#2)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 09:11:27 AM EST
    Hear, hear. It's about time I read something that reflect what I've been saying for nearly five years now. It's all smoke and mirrors. The TSA is the Wizard of Oz. We don't have airport security, it's the airport security show.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 09:11:27 AM EST
    And this is a "free" country? The cynic in me says it's all to get us accustomed to unfree travel. First the airports, subways, bridges, and tunnels...then the freeway and local roads. Roadblocks and checkpoints galore. Don't forget your papers! The inherent right of all Americans to travel freely is in jeapordy. We are in the process of being conditioned.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#5)
    by Punchy on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 09:11:27 AM EST
    I've said this a million times, but I'm sure the wingnuts will just ignore it, becuase fingers in the ears always accompanies bad news: As a chemist, I can PROMISE YOU that you cannot make a bomb out of lipstick, chapstick, lip gloss, eyeliner, mascara, hand lotion, concealer, shampoo, soap, or any other myriad substances. To say this is fear-mongering is akin to saying Hilter might have been a bad person. Us chemists laugh at this whole plot, becuase the feasibility of it is non-existant.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#8)
    by Gabriel Malor on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 09:11:27 AM EST
    I want the airports back to the way they were before 9/11. I want my country back. And if that means I have to risk sitting next to Osama bin Laden, Richard Reid or one of their demented minions on an airplane, I'll take the risk.
    I think we all want the country to be the way it was before 9/11. It would be very nice to be able to ignore the declarations of war from the bin Ladens of the world. However, 9/11 taught us that we risk injury, death, and recession if we do so. Now, we can quibble about which additional security measures are useful or worth the expense, but to say that we should return to the security arrangement which resulted in a couple thousand deaths seems overbroad to me. You may be ready to sit next to the next Richard Reid on an airplane. I, however, would prefer that those types be kept as far from me and my family as possible. [Damn. I keep forgetting to fill in the Name field.]

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 09:11:27 AM EST
    Good post PPJ. If one is self obsessed then they will only worry about their chances of getting killed by a terrorist. I don't think TL is self obsessed but the theory of, terrorism doesn't kill enough people to matter spawns from that rationale. Look what happend to the nation, our ecomony etc... when 9/11 happened. IF we want that to happen again then we should just sit back and live life like we did on 9/10. If we don't then we have to bite the bullet and live with NSA, FISA, war on terror etc... It's a simple choice. If the democrats want to run on a platform of terror doesn't really matter then I urge them to be honest and try. Instead they will give lip service to "protecting the homeland" and then complain everytime something is done to do that.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 09:11:27 AM EST
    How many airplane attacks have there been in the U.S. since September 10, 2001? Three, all on September 11.
    Umm, I think there was four, but who cares about accuracy when you have political points to score. I like how someone who knew the rules, (Or if you didn't were living in a cave) no liquids or gels, decided to violate them anyway and complains that it took extra time. I just flew through Heathrow four days after they broke their case and again 12 days later. I had absolutely no problem with security. Want water? fine get it before security, or get it right after you get through security, or get it on the plane. The lines didn't take any longer than they used to.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#13)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 09:21:56 AM EST
    Sailor - Try to read and focus. The complaint was that:
    While waiting for my checked bag at baggage claim (which amazingly made the flight), I was talking to a young-looking, age 30-something white male. He began the morning in Orlando where they took his flexident that he needed to put in his teeth. He was so humiliated, spending all those hours on airplanes and changing flights without his teeth.
    So. He didn't put them in pre flight, even though he could have. As for post flight, fixadent is sold in any drugstore. Perhaps in the airport shops. So. Why was he not embarassed on the way to the airport? During check-in? Standing in the airport security line? Was he only embarrased after the fact? His story doesn't hang together. Kind of like most of yours. As for the lack of various detectors, I would agree. The question is, why didn't the Demos take charge of this important issue and bring a law to the floor? They didn't because they want to make political capital, not protect the public. That they didn't also tells me that there is something else here. Perhaps they don't work as well as you say. Links???? PD - You write:
    are taking guards away from performing real security measures.
    And these would be??

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#15)
    by Sailor on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 10:21:41 AM EST
    The question is, why didn't the Demos take charge of this important issue and bring a law to the floor?
    because the rethugs are in charge of both houses and won't let the dems do it, the rethugs would rather waste time on a braindead woman and disenfrachising gays and combatting the horrible scourge of flag burning.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#16)
    by Al on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 11:21:13 AM EST
    In the UK, Ryanair is suing the British government for the "completely insane and ineffective" security measures, in the words of its President, Michael O'Leary. "The western world is not in danger from lethal toiletries", he said. O'Leary also said
    The way to defeat terrorism is, one, to arrest the bloody terrorists, and, two, keep the system working normally.
    Arrest the bloody terrorists. Bush is now trying to convince us that Osama bin Laden is not so important after all.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#18)
    by eric on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 12:49:16 PM EST
    I am not sure if all of this fear/hysteria is: 1)Done on purpose because scared people that live in a tightly controlled environment are easier control, and by virture of being scared, better followers, or 2) The hysteria is something in and of itself, causing irrational and out-of-proportion reactions by otherwise well-meaning people. Either way, it's crazy. Let's think about this folks - they have essentially banned one of the three major states of matter from airplanes. It's irrational. Liquid is just a state of matter that isn't solid or gas. There are bad things that are solids and gasses, as well. In fact, I bet solids are more dangerous that liquids. Gasses, well, they can blow up, too. So why the distinction? I have no idea, other than it is really, really having a profound affect on us all. I have had enough.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#19)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 01:05:51 PM EST
    Punchy.... I've said this a million times, but I'm sure the wingnuts will just ignore it, Most all of us are in agreement that this has gone too far. (My AXE deodorant was seized the other day) But, you guys on the left are part of the problem. As long as you scream & cry about profiling, this is what we all have to go through! Gabriel... I think we all want the country to be the way it was before 9/11. How about before 1968? I'm old enough to remember NO metal detectors ... but we (the civilized world) did nothing about terrorism back in the 60's & 70's when it all got going and now we are paying. All the more reason to rid the world of them now once & for all!

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 01:53:19 PM EST
    Sailor writes:
    because the rethugs are in charge of both houses and won't let the dems do
    Oh, poor babies... The evileeeee Repubs won't let them go on TV, they won't let them hold meetings... Pardon my snickers. Punchy writes:
    As a chemist, I can PROMISE YOU
    Can you promise me that someone cannot disguise dangerous material to look like make-up? kdog writes:
    Don't forget your papers!
    I seem to remember that you want employers to be put in jail for employing illegal aliens... Do you understand that this means that we must have national ID cards??

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#17)
    by Cugel on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 05:53:43 PM EST
    This is entirely the point. Giving up your mascara isn't going to make you safe. Taking off your shoes isn't going to make you safe. All this security crap hasn't made us one wit safer! And the fools who say that they don't care they want the Bin Ladens' of the world kept at bay so they FEEL safer are the problem. Because people want to FEEL safer even if it's totally illusory. So everybody just says "I'm glad I have to take off my shoes and can't bring a bottle of water or lip-gloss on the plane!" It's not going to protect us. It is entirely based on lies. WE need to stop the madness before they take away our shoelaces and make us get on planes naked. I'm tired of this crap! There's not ONE bit of evidence that all the security procedures since 9-11 have had even the slightest effect in stopping a single terrorist plot. Not one bit. So, why do I still have to take off my shoes and wait in endless lines? Why can't we stand up and tell the truth! There's not the slightest evidence that anybody can assemble a bomb on board an aircraft from chemical components. It can't be done. The fact that the Bush administration says that we have to be protected from that threat is just more of their lies!

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 05:53:43 PM EST
    All the more reason to rid the world of them now once & for all!
    Who is them? People that commit large scale murder? Good luck with that, it's as old as mankind.
    If one is self obsessed then they will only worry about their chances of getting killed by a terrorist
    I think a self-absorbed person would sacrifice their own freedom to travel free, and the freedom of millions of others to do the same, all because they are scared of dying a violent death. That's self obsorbed. I say let's get over ourselves.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 05:53:43 PM EST
    As usual (and expected) the simple wingnuts are completely unable to comprehend the simple fact that no one is buying bush's BS, and that the vast majority of the world and the country that is able to reason and think things through is fighting the real war on terror against the real terrorists: bush and co. link

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 05:53:43 PM EST
    There is a certain hope that such airport BS might become the proverbial "Straw That Broke The Camel's Back". Surely at least some of the previously scared crowd with the basic critical thinking abilities should be able to figure out what is going on here. The loss of liberties was mostly invisible, the airport security is very much in your face. That is not a frog being boiled slowly ... Since by and large the population is becoming desensitized to the scares, the dosage will be increased (and already has been!) because that is the only perceived tool of control right now. Just image the scares before the '08 elections if both chambers are still under republican control.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#24)
    by baked potato on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 05:53:43 PM EST
    Great post! Security expert Bruce Schneier has been complaining about the absurdity and ineffectiveness of airport "security" measures in his Counterpane newsletter for years now. He calls what happens at airports, "Security Theater," which is correct (though I would suggest that "security theatrics" might be slightly more precise). In any event, it's not about combatting any real terror threat in any real way. It's about inculcating a climate of fear and an acceptance of totalitarian tactics. Today's SF Chronicle had an all-too-typical article with the usual quotes from brain-dead citizens talking about how they have no problem at all with the lovely bag checks, profiling and cops with automatic weapons. I remember once where there was actual respect for the Constitution, including something called the Fourth Amendment, part of the entire Bill of Rights which, of course, bushism has made obsolete! George and Osama vs. the U.S. Constitution - the ultimate buddy movie.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 05:53:43 PM EST
    Jim, While I keep trying to remember that you are not in "aircraft security", your thought processes as seen in your comments still seem pretty juvenile. As an airline pilot I see one difference between "security procedures" before and after 11 September, 2001. Before, we were instructed to be compliant, not allow "them" into the cockpit and wait for the "authorities". Now, it is the same, except we know have a bullet-proof door and if we tell the authorities we will incur the risk of being shot down. One can still get "box cutters" on board an aircraft after going through "security". It is relatively easy. It is street theater for the ignorant and just a general harrassment for all others. It does not keep unauthorized weapons off the aircraft, only catching the careless and stupid.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#14)
    by Gabriel Malor on Wed Sep 06, 2006 at 05:58:09 PM EST
    Peaches:
    As a chemist, I can PROMISE YOU that you cannot make a bomb out of lipstick, chapstick, lip gloss, eyeliner, mascara, hand lotion, concealer, shampoo, soap, or any other myriad substances.
    Peaches, we know that lipstick is not explosive. (Yes, even us non-chemists know that shampoo doesn't explode or catch on fire.) It's not that someone will turn mascara and orange soda into a bomb, but rather that someone will use their mascara and orange soda bottles to conceal liquids that when mixed become combustible or explosive.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 06:45:27 AM EST
    skyler - Hmmm...Let me see. I agreed that we need the detectots. I pointed out to a chemist that another chemist can very likely disguise "bad" stuff to look like makeup. Asked PD for some examples and noted you have to keep using what you got as you add and improve. In case you have missed it, I have long said that our security is imperfect, and needs changing. That would include profiling and the addition of the various "explosive detectors" all the new fighters of terrorism speak of. That is, assuming they work. I would also add dogs trained to detect explosives, and increase the observation of flight crew, or at least those who "look like" flight crew. I have seen too many of these go to the head of the line and just be waved through. And, based on my observation, the security at the back end of the airports is not good, but hopefully it is better than we know. Note the "hopefully." The screeners themselves are under paid and probably work too long. You say you are a pilot, so you know, or at least should, what happens when people work too long in jobs that require great focus and unclouded judgement. If you don't, google AA and Little Rock + crash + thunderstorms in area. The doors should have been added 40 years ago, but the enemy we were fighting then were people who wanted to highjack the plane, not turn it into a missile. That we ignore the obvious changes of who the enemy was, especially after 1993 speaks poorly of us. And yes, the unspoken question is, and will be, if there is an attempt, how will we really know the terrorists didn't get through the door? I would think that you will be diverted to another airport, probably abandoned. Is Chanute still open? Some of the old closed SAC bases in the midwest? If the weather is bad, or at night, will they divert you to operating Airforce bases? My guess is they will. But you had better be right on in following directions because yes, if you don't, you will be shot down. Now tell me again how you consider the above juvenile.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 07:56:53 AM EST
    kdog... Who is them? This one is easy ol buddy.. Mid Eastern males between the ages of 17 & 50! Next question? Edger... fighting the real war on terror against the real terrorists: bush and co Yes...we know ...in your mind: America = evil Islamic terrorists = poor misunderstood good guys. baked p..... George and Osama vs. the U.S. Constitution - the ultimate buddy movie. The constitution was never meant to be a suicide pact! Times have changed in the past 200 years and we better too. As I have said many times in the past... the constitution will mean nothing if the US ceases to exit!

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#29)
    by Sailor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 09:25:55 AM EST
    ppj, who isn't a scientist or a pilot preaches to them about their fields. Ignorance and hubris all in one ugly package.
    The constitution was never meant to be a suicide pact!
    Another rethuglican that wants to overthrow America.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#30)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 11:53:00 AM EST
    Che - And your point is that because we still have problems we shouldn't attempt to correct them? My point is that those attempts being described in the article are an inneffective waste of money while the real threats go untouched. I hate to have to keep explaining these things to you when no one else here requires clarification. You should have learned both reading AND comprehension. It would make your visits here so much better for you and others.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#31)
    by Che's Lounge on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 11:57:47 AM EST
    How can you conceal something in a concealer? "I think the self destruct mechanism got hit and blew itself up." From Dr. Strangelove

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 12:04:18 PM EST
    Sailor.... Another rethuglican that wants to overthrow America Boy .. you are the poster child for irony today. (on another post you cliamed PPJ was doing what you are actually doing) But, back to this post... let me explain (try?) The ISlamic facists terrorists want to overthrow America... and people like you (who refuse to beleive it or do anything about it) are actually their inablers! See the Irony there? Nevermind...I'm sure it went right through the hole in your head!

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 12:07:59 PM EST
    Sailor.... Another rethuglican that wants to overthrow America Boy .. you are the poster child for irony today. (on another post you cliamed PPJ was doing what you are actually doing) But, back to this post... let me explain (try?) The ISlamic facists terrorists want to overthrow America... and people like you (who refuse to beleive it or do anything about it) are actually their inablers! See the Irony there? Nevermind...I'm sure it went right through the hole in your head!

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#28)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 12:29:03 PM EST
    BB:
    the constitution will mean nothing if the US ceases to exit!
    Well! BB, I'm impressed. You're finally showing some small glimmer of understanding here. Keep practicing. It's like graduating from a tricycle to a bicycle. The more you try the better you get at it. Let's hope it's not a one hit wonder.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#34)
    by Sailor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 07:12:49 PM EST
    The ISlamic facists terrorists want to overthrow America... and people like you (who refuse to beleive it or do anything about it) are actually their inablers!
    If folks like you want to trash the Constitution and commit war crimes because you think America is so weak we can't withstand a few a$$holes that hate us then you guys have done what OBL and followers could never have accomplished without your help. Stand up for America, and what America stood for before bush was elected, don't kneel to terror.

    Re: Concealer as the New Terror Threat (none / 0) (#35)
    by Sailor on Thu Sep 07, 2006 at 07:21:33 PM EST
    Who is them?
    This one is easy ol buddy.. Mid Eastern males between the ages of 17 & 50!
    I guess bb wants to gas the israelis, after all, they too are "Mid Eastern males between the ages of 17 & 50"