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Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted

Earlier today Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera reported that Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora criticized Hezbollah:

Saniora reportedly told Milan-based newspaper Corriere della Sera that the Shiite militia has been doing the bidding of Syria and Iran, and that it could only be disarmed with the help of the international community and once a cease-fire had been achieved in the current Middle East fighting.

"Hezbollah has become a state within a state. We know it well," Saniora was quoted as saying, for the first time leveling such an accusation against guerrillas that effectively control southern Lebanon. "It's not a mystery that Hezbollah answers to the political agendas of Tehran and Damascus," Saniora was quoted as saying. "The entire world must help us disarm Hezbollah. But first we need to reach a cease-fire."

But Saniora's office says he was misquoted and his words got lost in translation:

According to the statement, the premier had said that international help was needed to persuade Israel to withdraw from the Chebaa Farms, a disputed territory that Lebanon claims and Hezbollah uses as a pretext for attacking Israeli forces.

"What the prime minister said was that the international community has not given the Lebanese government the chance to deal with the problem of Hezbollah weapons, since the continued presence of Israeli occupation of Lebanese lands in the Chebaa Farms region is what contributes to the presence of Hezbollah weapons," the statement said. "The international community must help us in (getting) an Israeli withdrawal from Chebaa Farms so we can solve the problem of Hezbollah's arms."

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  • Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#1)
    by Slado on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 08:39:23 AM EST
    Looks like Iran and Syria got to him. This is unfortunate and shows how much these regimes want to control what goes on in the Middle East. Unhelpful to say the least that a democratic government can't deal with reality out of fear from the "arab street".

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 08:51:38 AM EST
    Slado, And our government can't deal with its street either, when push comes to shove -- see every case of civil unrest, disobedience and rioting. See Tim McVeigh, whom they also couldn't stop, or every abortion terrorist, or or or. Perhaps the man doesn't wish his country to be ruled by anyone but Lebanese. Not Syria or Iran and not Israel. The simple fact is that White Europeans (Israel) cannot prevail in the long run by military means in the region, when surrounded by hundred of millions of brown skinned people who have just as legitimate a right to live there. Not unless you want to become fully genocidal. When there's no imagination on either side in the conflich, both sides are doomed. And that's what they are.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#3)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 09:54:17 AM EST
    Dadler - You keep on refering to Israel as "white europeans." Trust me. That isn't so. Go visit and you will see the difference. And give up on McVeigh. You can't keep using one incident, even as horrible as it was, as a moral equilavence for the Moslem terrorist. Slado - Right. He was told he better shut up.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#4)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 10:07:56 AM EST
    "Go there etc" I've talked to plenty of Israelis and there's in many circles a definate unspoken caste system with Ashkenazim at the top, Sephardic Jews beneath, and Arabs and Palestinians at the bottom. Let's not "white wash" too much Jim. Yes, it's still better than the situation in most Arab countries, but it's still not the perfect Shangri Las of, for instance, red America--yet.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#5)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 10:22:43 AM EST
    Jim, It's a white european nation in the middle of the brown skinned middle east. That is what it is. That is where it came from. That is a reality that won't go away. The surface may look differently, but Israel has always, ironically, benefitted from its European heritage, and gave it a legacy of democracy that the middle east, having been colonized by Europe and the West, were never allowed to pursue. My ancestors died in the Holocaust, my father was raised orthodox, for sh*t's sake. I have a good take on what it's about. I simply cannot countenance the way this conflict is treated as if it fell out of the sky one day due to blind Arab hatred without an ounce of responsibility on the Israeli side. Those who fled Europe after the Holocaust projected their anger onto people who had NOTHING to do with the Holocaust, and that was WRONG. Period. That it may have been inevitable is one thing, but that Israel can NEVER admit that European Jewry received the greatest restitution in the history of war crimes, and understand what that means in the context of that restitution coming at SOMEONE ELSE'S EXPENSE, someone who bore zero responsibility for their plight, well, that is just nuts.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#6)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 10:31:33 AM EST
    Jondee, Exactly, thank you. Go ask African Jews how they feel about their treatment in Israel. They live no better than ghetto dwellers in the U.S.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#7)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 10:35:49 AM EST
    Jim, McVeigh was only one. Tell that to those whose loved ones died. Tell that to those killed an maimed in abortion clinic attacks. Or those still alive who were victims of the Klan or other racist groups in the south and elsewhere. And 9/11 was only one attack also. When you think your sh*t doesn't smell because someone else's might smell worse at a given time, well, good luck to you. I prefer to look at my country honestly and without fear, not out of reactive anger an anyone who feels differently. And your inability to fathom how geography and luck have insulated us from much of the world, how that insulation has kept us from NEEDING to fight off outsiders, again, good luck to you. I'm straight flush, I tell ya. Have a good one.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#8)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 10:38:31 AM EST
    Jerusalem has been majority jewish since the mid to late 1800's. Calling it "White European" seems pretty selective.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#9)
    by Dadler on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 10:46:41 AM EST
    Abdul, Of COURSE it's selective: EUROPEAN Jewry came there en massse AFTER the Holocaust, effectively turning the area from one in which groups lived together in relative peace, to a WHITE EUROPEAN ISRAEL. Jesus H., this is basic factual reality. Difficult ironies abound in this story, attempting to deny them is just silly. And I'll say it again, the Holocaust was SO horrible and surreal that it was INEVITABLE an f'd up post-Holocaust remedy would occur, but that doesn't relieve us from accepting the OBVIOUS. Name me another conflict when the wronged party is given land thousands of miles away, occupied by people who played NO role whatsoever in the original crime. This entire situation is anomalous and requires naked self-criticism on BOTH sides to result in any non-murderous solution. The Plight of Ethiopian Jews in Israel.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 10:56:28 AM EST
    I have a dream that someday this country will no longer be run by schoolboys who get mad every time they lose. Cuba beat us. Venezuela beat us. Iran beat us. Hussein had beaten us. Iran is the Germany of the Middle East, and it's a country we've got a long history of screwing over. We need to grow the hell up and deal with it. We need to deal with Hamas. We need to deal with Hezbollah. We need to free ourselves of the shackles of foreign oil. And most importantly... We need to make a solid -- and final -- offer on how we will go about protecting Israel, one that has definite boundaries of obligation. We could start with arresting all those spies of hers who are clearly infesting our government and society. (And no doubt posting on blog sites.) Good fences make good neighbors. After that we need to kick her to the curb before she breaks us.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 11:00:23 AM EST
    Thank you Dadler...yet again. It's about time someone stated the obvious...that the creation of Israel was a mistake....at least in it's current locale. Most certianly the Jews of Europe deserved compensation (and loads of it)...but not from the people who were in the region pre-1948 and had nothing to do with German atrocities. It's no wonder people in the region to this day question Israel's legitimacy...it's plainly obvious the formation of Israel was not legitimate. What to do now is the question. People born in Israel are not responsible for the mistake of 1948 and certainly have every right to live on the land they were born on. Hopefully all sides can work it out sooner than the Irish and Brits did up in Belfast....Blood solves nothing.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#12)
    by dab on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 01:30:35 PM EST
    Dadler: Historical truths? Zionism and the mass settlement of Jews in what was then called Palestine began in the 1880s, about the same time Jews fled Eastern Europe en masse for the U.S. and other countries. Contrary to the claims of Iran's president, Israel was not a creation of holocaust guilt. Ever heard of the Balfour Declaration? Any idea when it was issued? (Hint, it was long before WWII). And at whose expense? Do you have any idea what the country looked like when Jews began settling there? Read Mark Twain; he has written a nice description about how desolate and deserted the country was then. Israel became a prosperous, developed country because of the sweat of the people who moved there and turned a desert into a developed country in the parts they chose to live. (Other parts still remain barren, such as the south of Israel). They didn't just move into the country and kick people people out of their homes and take them over. In fact, even after the 1948 war when the Arab nations tried to extinguish Israel, it allowed Arabs who denounced hostilities to Israel to live in the country as citizens. (That explains the Arabs living in Nazareth who were unfortunately killed by a Hizballah rocket yesterday). Israel is a country will a large population of both Jews of European descent and Jews of middle eastern descent. Israel's President Katzav is in fact of middle eastern descent. The truth of the conflict is that some Muslims cannot get over the "shame" of having a Jewish state in the middle east and of a military loss to Jews, and may never give up on the dream of eliminating Israel. I have trouble understanding why you believe Palestinians have the legitimate right to rule the land on which Israel currently exists. What gives them that right? How did Arabs come to have sovereignty over that land (if they in fact did)? Answer: through military conquest, the same way you accuse Israel of gaining sovereignty. In fact, Israel was also taken from the Jews by military conquest, and through the years has changed hands from one conqueror to another. Are previous conquests okay, but just not for Israel? Same question regarding the U.S. Wasn't this country stolen from Native Americans? How about Texas? Kdog: Good fences? Real borders? That is what Israel has been trying to establish for more than 50 years! Hizbullah and others want Israel to have no borders, and no fences, because they want it to have no existence.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#13)
    by Slado on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 02:44:30 PM EST
    Here's what the Canadian Prime Minister had to say breaking with the World community consensus of Isreal bashing... "Hezbollah's objective is violence. Hezbollah believes that through violence it can create, it can bring about the destruction of Israel. Violence will not bring about the destruction of Israel ... and inevitably the result of the violence will be the deaths primarily of innocent people." That and dabs comments (BRAVO!) sum it up. The Isreal bashers will have to use a new line of reasoning on this thread or as usual they will just ignore the facts and blame Isreal some more. Dab, don't forget some in this country an on this thread do support giving Texas back to Mexico, as well as most of our souther boarder throug open immigration. Remember who you're talking to.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#14)
    by John Mann on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 03:46:18 PM EST
    "Hezbollah's objective is violence. Hezbollah believes that through violence it can create, it can bring about the destruction of Israel. Violence will not bring about the destruction of Israel ... and inevitably the result of the violence will be the deaths primarily of innocent people."
    The current Canadian prime minister, Mr. Harper, greatly admires George W Bush, and made no secret of it for years as he sought the leadership of the Conservative Party of Canada. Did you expect him to say something different? He has even less experience in foreign matters than did Mr. Bush when he became president, and he has the potential to create the same climate of fear in Canada as Mr. Bush created in the United States. Canadians are not used to having a man like this as prime minister, and since he does not enjoy a majority government, chances are we won't have to put up with him for too long. He, like Mr. Bush, is a rabid right-winger who has the potential to do great and long-term harm to Canada's position in the world community - and great harm to Canada's citizens when terrorists see us dancing cheek-to-cheek with the current U.S. administration.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#15)
    by John Mann on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 04:30:27 PM EST
    Contrary to the claims of Iran's president, Israel was not a creation of holocaust guilt.
    Nonsense. The creation of the state of Israel was assured by the Holocaust. Certainly Zionism had been around long before 1948, but it was precisely "Holocaust guilt" that resulted in its goals being achieved.
    And at whose expense? Do you have any idea what the country looked like when Jews began settling there?
    What's your point? Maybe the people who lived there liked the way it looked, and maybe they enjoyed the way they lived. Are you suggesting that the apartheids in South Africa and (former) Rhodesia were justified, too, because the conquerors made the place look "better"?
    They didn't just move into the country and kick people people out of their homes and take them over.
    Now you're being silly. Are you really not aware that nearly 500 Palestinian villages were destroyed by Zionists from 1947-1949? Link
    The truth of the conflict is that some Muslims cannot get over the "shame" of having a Jewish state in the middle east and of a military loss to Jews, and may never give up on the dream of eliminating Israel.
    No doubt you have some data to support this curious claim.
    Same question regarding the U.S. Wasn't this country stolen from Native Americans? How about Texas?
    I think I have it straight now. It's ok to take over another country by force as long as the ones taking it over created a robust market economy. Would that about sum it up?

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#16)
    by jondee on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 07:41:13 PM EST
    Israel became a prosperous, developed country because of the sweat of the people.. Deserts blossoming, manna from heavan, water from the rock..Is that the Joan Peters book, or the Dershowitz retread? An infusion of the kind of foreign aid that would be enough to turn Lapland into Disney World had just a little something to do with it, dont you think?

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#17)
    by roger on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 08:13:20 PM EST
    Jondee, Sounds like a lot of money AND a lot of work

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#18)
    by Lww on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 08:14:24 PM EST
    I hope everyone in here has read the "Mearsheimer & Walt"(sic) essay on the costs to the US because of our blind support for the Likudniks. Our blood,safety,prestige,credibility,treasury...everything. The house just passed a resolution 410-8 to basically follow Israel to the bitter end, no matter how many civilians are killed. It's an amazing thing to watch.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#19)
    by James DiBenedetto on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 07:26:09 AM EST
    Deserts blossoming, manna from heavan, water from the rock..Is that the Joan Peters book, or the Dershowitz retread? An infusion of the kind of foreign aid that would be enough to turn Lapland into Disney World had just a little something to do with it, dont you think?
    Absolutely true. But Israel's neighbors have also received billions and billions of dollars in foreign aid (sometimes from the U.S., sometimes from the former U.S.S.R.), and some of those neighbors also have, as Israel does not, the benefit of literally trillions of dollars from oil over the years. So why do all of Israel's neighbors have generally crummy and dysfunctional economies and, for the most part, either unstable or brutally totalatarian governments? Why can't they make their deserts bloom, and bring down manna from Heaven to their people?

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#20)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 07:50:58 AM EST
    Dadler writes:
    Name me another conflict when the wronged party is given land thousands of miles away, occupied by people who played NO role whatsoever in the original crime.
    Okay, you asked for it, you got it. After all it is helpful to understand the root cause of the problem. I'm going to give an article, plus a clip from Wikipedia. The article.
    "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of its Jews. The answer I got was: 'The Jews are yours.'" - Former Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini in his post-WWII memoirs. [1]
    From Wikipedia
    the Mufti of Jerusalem, was a Palestinian Pan-Arab nationalist and a Sunni Muslim religious leader. More commonly known for his anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism, al-Husayni fought against the establishment of a Jewish state in the territory of the British Mandate of Palestine. To this end, Husayni collaborated with Nazi Germany during World War II and helped recruit Muslims for the Waffen-SS.


    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 08:48:47 AM EST
    John Mann writes:
    I think I have it straight now. It's ok to take over another country by force as long as the ones taking it over created a robust market economy.
    Leaving aside the market economy bit... It is not a matter of "ok." It is a matter of one group losing land to another group for thousands of years. For a better understanding, read a book called the "Contested Plains."

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#22)
    by Slado on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 09:19:11 AM EST
    James, Isreal is held to a differnt standard by the peace activists. They don't care that militant Islam disagrees with all of their liberal philosophies. They don't care that ME governments are corrupt, abhor minorities, abuse womens rights etc... That's not important because its the Isreali democracy that's the problem because of its connection to the US. The government they really can't stand. They have convinced themselves that militant Islam and corrupt Islamic dictatorships only need to be appeased to bring about a benevolant peace. I know it's crazy but it's their opinion.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#23)
    by Peaches on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 09:42:10 AM EST
    They have convinced themselves that militant Islam and corrupt Islamic dictatorships only need to be appeased to bring about a benevolant peace.
    Slado, what fun it must be to live in your fantasy world. Peace activists come in many forms, but the ones I hang around condemn all acts of aggression and all wars whether committed by militant muslems, Israelis, the US, whomever. Speaking for one activist for peace, I love the US and the ideals it was founded upon. I am not a supporter of our large military-industrial complex for a number of reasons, not least of which is the inherent destruction it causes around the world. This industrial complex has also armed Israel to a great extent. We both claim to want peace in the ME. Our opinions differ on how peace can be obtained. My motto is the same as Michael Franti's You can bomb the world to pieces But you can't bomb it into Peace.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#24)
    by Peaches on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 09:45:27 AM EST
    Add I just have an extreme dislike for missiles and bombs regardless who is blowing up whom.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#26)
    by soccerdad on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 10:10:28 AM EST
    James, Isreal is held to a differnt standard by the peace activists.
    Slado suffering from acute, massive, koolaid intoxication plays the victim card.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#27)
    by Slado on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 10:58:05 AM EST
    Peaches Agree to disagree. I will only remind you that "peace" often allows despots and tyrannical governments to gather strenght only to result in larger bombs and more death later. Not all the time but frequently. kdog. See above. What's your solution other then the status quo? How can Isreal keep Hezzbollah from lobbing rockets into their territory. They've tried military action, negotiating even withdrawel yet still Hezzbollah provoked a war. Isreal didn't start this fight. Hezzbollah did, but Isreal is supposed to be the bigger person? I don't understand. Soccerdad. Stop name calling and write a decent post like Peaches.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#28)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 11:59:28 AM EST
    Israel has always, ironically, benefitted from its European heritage, and gave it a legacy of democracy that the middle east, having been colonized by Europe and the West, were never allowed to pursue.
    Iran has always been independent, despite some attempted interference by Russia and the UK. The House of Saud established itself in 1744 and gradually expanded its control over the Arabian Peninsula without colonial domination. In 1927 the UK recognized Saudi Arabia as an independent country. North Yemen became independent in 1918, following collapse of the Ottoman Empire. South Yemen became a UK protectorate (Aden) until 1967, when it became independent. They merged in the 1990s. Oman had to deal with a few Portuguese forts on the coast from 1508 - 1650, but has been free of foreign interference since then. The emirates that became the UAE voluntarily became a UK protectorate in 1853 after giving up on pirating activities. The UK maintained maritime peace, but did not rule the emirates themselves. Seven of them merged into the UAE in 1971 and ended the protectorate relationship. The other two, Bahrain and Qatar, each became independent that year. Kuwait was established in the early 1700s and remained independent until the 1870s when it fell under Ottoman control. It became a UK protectorate in 1920 and independent in 1961. Iraq endured centuries of Ottoman control until it became a UK protectorate in 1917. It became independent in 1932. Syria endured centuries of Ottoman control until it became a French protectorate in 1920. It became independent in 1936. Lebanon endured centuries of Ottoman control until it became a French protectorate in 1920. It became independent in 1943. Jordan endured centuries of Ottoman control until it became a UK protectorate in 1920. In 1922 Jordan and Palestine were partitioned. Jordan became independent in 1946. Israel/Palestine endured centuries of Ottoman control until it became a UK protectorate in 1920. European-Jewish immigration began in earnest in the 1840s and grew steadily after that, intensifying significantly leading up to and after WWII. Both Israel and Palestine became independent countries in 1948. Palestine and its Arab allies started, and lost, a war which cost them control of their country. Egypt was under Ottoman control from 1517 - 1882, with a brief foray by the French around 1800. The UK established defacto control from 1882 - 1922, when Egypt gained independence. Sudan was not organized for purposes of the Westphalian system of nation-states until around 1820, when the Ottomans gained control. It became a UK protectorate in 1898 and independent in 1953. Libya was under Ottoman control from 1553 - 1912, when Italy invaded and took control. The Allies invaded in 1942 and Libya became independent in 1951. I doubt one can deny the lingering difficulties resulting from European political boundaries drawn in the ever-shifting sands. But to say the middle east was "never allowed to pursue" democracy due to Euro-colonialism is ridiculous. Formal Euro control lasted anywhere from a few years to a few decades. While the Euros certainly meddled both before and after formal control, their influence on the indigenous culture (upon which democracy will flourish or fail) pales in comparison to that exerted by the Ottoman Turks (also Muslims). To blame the lack of self-government in the middle east on a few years to a few generations of European oversight (and don't forget those places that never suffered any) implies the colonizers actually possessed as much cultural superiority as they arrogantly presumed themselves to have, else they could not have so completely devastated the indigenous cultures in so short a time.
    Iran is the Germany of the Middle East, and it's a country we've got a long history of screwing over.
    What, exactly, constitutes the history of "screwing over" Germany?????

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#29)
    by Peaches on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 12:16:32 PM EST
    Slado, Don't think I am not capable of throwing insults out and calling you names. I have several times started posts addressed to you with this intent, but my better judgement has convinced me either to rewrite a new one in a more civil tone or to ignore you. You come close often to throwing out these blanket accusations at "leftists" and "Peace activists" that are untrue, demeaning and not conducive to civil conversations. In other words you can sound an awful lot like BB. But, then sometimes you actually are civil, so I give you the benefit of the doubt. It may not alwys be that way.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#30)
    by John Mann on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 03:04:59 PM EST
    It is not a matter of "ok." It is a matter of one group losing land to another group for thousands of years. For a better understanding, read a book called the "Contested Plains."
    It's not just about land, Jim. It's about cultural genocide and the physical destruction of a way of life. Where I live, about 1/3 of my neighbors are Kwakiutl Indians. An archaeological dig at Hardy Bay (on the northern tip of Vancouver Island) in the early 1970s dated their presence in the area back some 8,000 years. Another dig near the village of Namu, about 50 miles north of here, was dated at 13,000 years, not long after the end of the Ice Age. These people were here for a long time. What happened to these people since contact with Europeans in 1792 is beyond shameful, but I won't go into detail since this is already way off-topic - but it's very similar to what has happened to the Palestinians since they were invaded in the post-WW 2 years. Thanks for the book reference, Jim, but I already have a good understanding of what happened and why it happened.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#31)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 05:08:49 PM EST
    John Mann writes:
    These people were here for a long time.
    So what's your point? Do you really think that means anything? Read the book. Because you don't understand.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#32)
    by John Mann on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 05:14:13 PM EST
    John Mann writes: These people were here for a long time.
    Jim replied:
    So what's your point? Do you really think that means anything?
    Squeaky was right, Jim: your heart is black as coal.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#33)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 05:15:31 PM EST
    Read the book. Especially if might makes right (with a cosmetic moral overlay), is your most deeply held belief.

    Re: Lebanese PM Claims He Was Misquoted (none / 0) (#34)
    by jondee on Fri Jul 21, 2006 at 05:21:48 PM EST
    Meanwhile, we'll just reserve our moral crusades and endless moral indignation for (possibly) euthanising doctors, the terrorists that murder children by hiding amongst them, and the persecuters of brain-dead Terri.