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Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing

Via David Sirota: Is Ohio Democratic Senate Candidate Paul Hackett becoming the Tom Tancredo of the Democratic Party? Shame on him.

From the Toledo Blade:

The Bush administration, Mr. Hackett said, "is willing to let illegals come in and take the jobs of Americans." The answer made several of the young Democrats squirm in their seats.

One pushed Mr. Hackett to clarify. "Deport them?" Mr. Hackett was asked. "If we can afford to," Mr. Hackett said, "yeah."

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  • Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Thu Jan 19, 2006 at 08:22:06 PM EST
    Sorry -I don't see the bashing in his statement. In the struggle between the the working class and the corporation, the corporations wield salray, benefits and working conditions. The only thing that the workers can withold is labor. That only works if there is a scarcity of labor. I respect illegals - I might try to cross the border myself if I was down in Mx. At the same time, it is true that surplus labor allows employers to pay low wages. I don't think the solution is deportation, though. It is in enforcing the penalties against employers for hiring illegal immigrants.

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#2)
    by ltgesq on Thu Jan 19, 2006 at 08:50:05 PM EST
    Hackett is no progressive. The new flock of wartime democratic potential officeholders can be quite dangerous to the party. Their only issue is that Bush has botched the Iraq war, and is wasting AMerican lives. We don't know enough about the resto of their agenda.

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 03:32:44 AM EST
    TL: I think you messed up on your headline. Hackett mentioned Illegals, not legal immigrants. You did not mention illegals in your headline. I don't see where he bashed them either. He just pointed out where Bush has not followed the law when it comes to illegals.

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#4)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 07:26:56 AM EST
    Happens every time this topic comes up. TL continues to be utterly baffled by the "illegal" part of "illegal alien".

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 07:28:27 AM EST
    Hackett is no progressive. He's pretty darn good on some important issues. From Hackett's homepage:
    Choice: ...the government has no business intruding on this very personal decision that should be made by a woman in consultation with her doctor... Let’s keep abortion safe, legal and rare... Let’s teach our kids the truth about all of their options instead of allowing the politics of the religious right to intrude on the classroom. On LGBT Issues: Never once in my 43 years of life have I heard of anyone getting a divorce because their neighbors are gay. Every American deserves to be treated with simple human dignity. Gays and Lesbians are no different. They should be entitled to ALL of the same rights and responsibilities we take for granted… workplace non-discrimination, hate crimes protection, the right to serve in the armed forces and the right to validate their love in the way they see fit...


    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#6)
    by roy on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 07:56:31 AM EST
    I prefer to be slightly less finicky than this, but, yeah. Leaving the "illegal" out when presenting one's own views is a fine and dandy thingy, but leaving it out when presenting someone else's views (clearly tied to legality) is dishonest. TL, What's your preferred solution to the illegal immigration "problem", if we have one? Open the border entirely, enforce existing laws with more attention to due process, crack down on employers rather than immigrants, or what?

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#7)
    by Johnny on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 02:02:34 PM EST
    Bush has not followed the law when it comes to illegals.
    Happens every time this topic comes up. TL continues to be utterly baffled by the "illegal" part of "illegal alien".
    It also happens everytime the bushies break the law re. wiretapping, torture etc... Only then it is the wrong-wingers whoa re baffled by the concept of "legal" vs. "illegal". Got enough evidence that Bush needs to be booted yet?

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:25:24 PM EST
    Johnny 1) That relates to my point about illegal immigration how, exactly? 2) You do realize that, based on the 1934 Telecommunications law, the Navy wiretaping of the Japanese embassies in the US was illegal, right? Please explain how Bush's actions differ from FDR's

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#9)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:39:18 PM EST
    Gotta link to back you up, JR? You know the wingnuts are reaching when they have to go back to Roosevelt and WWII to attempt to find something to compare with the warrantless activity that the Shrub Administration has admitted to in recent days......

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#10)
    by jondee on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 06:54:01 PM EST
    J.R is the undisputed world champ of WWII analogies. He'd find a WWII analogy in Willie Wonka.

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Fri Jan 20, 2006 at 10:29:23 PM EST
    I'd point you guys to Google and the Telecom laws, but that's apparently way, way too much work

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#12)
    by Johnny on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 06:37:59 AM EST
    1) That relates to my point about illegal immigration how, exactly?
    In that you, as a typical wrong-winger, recognize the illegality of illegal aliens, but not the illegality of wiretapping american citizens without a warrant. I know it is a hard concept, but repeat after me: "I will honor the constitution".

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 09:22:44 AM EST
    I love the way the phrase "wiretapping" has gotten attached to this. If what happened here is illegal, then pretty much everything the NSA does is illegal. They are tasked with signals intelligence from foreign sources (including embassies inside the US, which, legally speaking, are foreign soil). Is it your contention that the NSA needs a court order every time a foreign communication has an endpoint in the US? Even if said communication was from a known enemy source? Even given that most of the gathering of said inmtelligence is automated, with some kind of keyword searching, with people involved only for the stuff that "rises to the top" of the heap? Are you saying that - if the NSA finds a communication from a known enemy agent, and said agent was speaking with a US citizen inside the US - that the NSA would have to toss that communication rather than look at it? Pray tell, given the way the NSA actually gathers intelligence, how would court orders on foreign sources even work? We aren't talking about domestic spying here. Unlike Nixon and Kennedy, there's no contention that the NSA is running out to listen in on WS to US conversations.

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#14)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 10:51:58 AM EST
    Jondee - Yeah, but he is right in this case. Does that count? Juneappeal wrote:
    I don't think the solution is deportation, though. It is in enforcing the penalties against employers for hiring illegal immigrants.
    Okay, now after the employer has gone to jail, which works fine for me, and after we have fired the illegal worker. What do we do with them? punisher - You are right. He does make sense.

    Re: Paul Hackett Resorts to Immigrant Bashing (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sat Jan 21, 2006 at 06:07:49 PM EST
    I'd point you guys to Google and the Telecom laws, but that's apparently way, way too much work Yeah, it's too much work to shoot down wingnuts like you. Google search Interestingly enough, the tenth result yields the following:
    Furthermore, it was President Roosevelt during the years that preceded WWII, that under the specific authority from the Attorney General, allowed the FBI to engage in wiretapping and bugging. The FBI concealed microphones in the Japanese Embassy and had its phones tapped, though little was learned since the Japanese discussed military or security matters in code.
    Link Yeah, but he is right in this case Really?