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Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Sword?

by Last Night in Little Rock

CNN Breaking News e-mail just sent this alert: "FEMA director Michael Brown being sent back to Washington; Homeland Security Director Chertoff to announce new leader for on-the-ground Katrina relief efforts, senior administration official tells CNN."

Update: It is now posted on CNN.com. CNN itself says he's history: "He wasn't the right guy for the job." Bob Franken reports he's not out; just moved back to Washington. Congress wants his head. The White House wants him to prepare for other disasters. (Typical!) Coast Guard Vice Admiral Thad Allen takes over.

Another update: MSNBC is reporting with video that he is out. The NY Times take on it.

"Brownie, you're doin' a heck of a job."

And so it goes.

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    Good riddance. He lied about relief efforts and he lied on his resume. Brown spent one year in his former position investigating whether a horse's posterior had been liposuctioned. While they're reorganizing, they can fire Mary Hudak, for her block-headed statements against the firefighters whose time and experience she and FEMA wasted.

    I guess the lying on the resume was the final straw. I just noticed on the CNN website that even the death toll in Mississippi is expected to climb to over 1,000.

    JWH, you crack me up. How do you get any work done?

    More from CNN...Colin Powell weighs in. Hurricane czar? Here's a question: why don't they use that DHS multi-colored threat level index for potential natural disasters as well as terrorist threats? For instance, a catagory 5 hurricane forecast to hit near a city raises the color to RED?

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#5)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    As I just wrote on the open thread, it's a great, if late, thing that Brown is being deleted; however, if any Arabian horses have been displaced, i hearby nominate Brownie to pick up the horse brownies.

    And if the threat code is black or brown, the government will do nothing and let them die.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#7)
    by desertswine on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    Well, I guess he'll get his Bush Medal of Freedom and then retire to private life. Maybe he can judge domestic rabbit shows or something appropriate to his experience.

    why don't they use that DHS multi-colored threat level index for potential natural disasters as well as terrorist threats?
    A threat level index for the incompetence of FEMA and DHS employees should be devised. Red could indicate Brown level incompetence, Orange for the people immediately under him, Yellow for Mary Hudak level incompetence, and so on.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#9)
    by roy on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    Instapundint just posted that MSNBC reported Brown is out.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    In the mid sixties, I attended a junior high in Arlington, VA. First year I was there, it was a white only school. Approximately 1500 students. In my second year (grade 8) the decision was made to integrate the school. The implementation of that decision was to enroll four - you read that right (4) - black students. Two girls. Two boys. They lasted only 4 days in that school... they couldn't take beatings any longer... And people began to say things like "See - integration will never work..." Last night: And if the threat code is black or brown, the government will do nothing and let them die. Sometimes it seems that not a whole lot has changed in 40 years... Will we ever grow up?

    Bushco moves to make Michael Brown their scapegoat --but Brown did not gut FEMA and hire all the other incompetents. Firing Brown does not excuse the Bush performance Also the issue of the National Guard has to do with the ability to do policing. If the Guard had been federalized they could NOT have performed police duties --their primary role Gov Blanco did not waffle on the issue. More crap spin from the Republicans in defense of their own bad decisions

    Racism is still alive in the United States, and probably always will be. The wealthy and disgusting Blue Bloods, like Barbarian Bush and her idiot sons (all of them), have utter disdain for people of color. When I heard the audio of her saying they were better off at the Astrodome than they ever were in NOLA, I wanted to slap the sh*t out of her. It runs in the family.

    ABC news is reporting that he's out of FEMA, or will be soon.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#16)
    by Andreas on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    George W. Bush and his masters are still in power.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#17)
    by Lww on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    How come the Sandy Berger story isn't on this site? THE POLITICS OF CRIME? I guess stuffing classified materials down your underwear doesn't qualify?Instead of a pat-down search he needed a wedgie. BTW, Mike Brown WAS way over his head, just as the mayor and guv were so lets call for them to step down. That'll be the day.

    how about your own contempt for "people of color". your excuses for looters. your failure to see that the social pathologies that are epidemic in the community might be the cause, not the result, of many of the problems that minorities suffer. but, that would require some reflection I doubt you folks are capable of. I'm sure some of your best friends are black, though.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#19)
    by Dadler on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    charley, so a small minority of the population who were looting for "pleasure" define the entire population? as a white guy who lived on welfare and foodstamps with my young single mother, who then married a black man (and had children with him), i have a lot of personal experience with the politics of class and race in this country. i see no excuses, only no desire for easy answers that are neither easy nor answers. seriously, who on earth on this site made any excuse for anyone who was looting just for the hell of it, or who was shooting at rescue workers, or breaking into hospitals? no one. and just what reflection have you engaged in? in other words, how have YOU personally contributed to a society that produces what you deride? or is it only OTHER people who are responsible? are you merely finger-pointing or are you actually breaking out the mirror and doing the reflecting you ask others to do. show your work, as my h.s. math teachers would tell us.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#20)
    by chupetin on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    BTW, Mike Brown WAS way over his head, just as the mayor and guv were so lets call for them to step down.
    The mayor and governor were not hired by the Cheney Administration, bad analogy. This kind of disaster is over the heads of local mayor and governor, thats why we have FEMA.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#21)
    by Lww on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    Funny you should say that Charlie , some of my best friends are black. They aren't doctors or lawyers or professionals but regular people who live in small but tidy houses. Their children would go to my house and my children would go to their house. These regular people are happy to be my neighbor and me theirs. You know why Charlie? Because I never talked down to them and they never tried to put a guilt trip on me. We were neighbors who had a common interest, the happiness of our families and communities. This is the way it is all over this country, but you'll never hear it because the race-pimps and the people who feed off of racial tensions don't want it to be known. Thanks Charlie.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#22)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    Charley: I'm sure some of your best friends are black, though. I am single now. Caucasian - Romanian background. My girlfriend, Cara, was black, with Irish and Cherokee mixed into her genes. Beautiful, 5 foot 9, with a sprinkle of freckles across the bridge of her nose. She's dead. Murdered in May 1999. By a white Navy Seal, Gulf War Vet, loaded to the eyeballs on crack. Stabbed 37 times with a broken piece of mirror, and gutted from breastbone to pelvis... He was convicted of manslaughter because the prosecutions shrinks decided he was "too stoned" to form the intent to kill, and they didn't think they'd get away with a murder charge. I still talk to her in the middle of the night a couple of time a week - and now and then she answers back. Everytime I see "The Bodyguard" with Whitney Houston singing "I will always love you" I see Cara.... "...but, that would require some reflection I doubt you folks are capable of."

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#23)
    by peacrevol on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    LWW and people like him do not listen to stories of true racism that occur now b/c he sees people like Jesse Jackson out there who scream race this and race that about everything. I dont think race was an issue here. I think it was just total incompetence. However, LWW should wake up and notice that racism is still a HUGE issue in the US. Perhaps in places other than the south its not noticeable, but in MS, LA, GA, TN, VA, OK, TX sometimes the racism, even every day things you see, disgust me.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#24)
    by peacrevol on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    Racism 1 Racism 2 And those are just the violent crime ones that I can think of just off the top of my head. Racism comes in all shapes and sizes and the violent crime genre of racism is the least committed, but still overwhelming.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#25)
    by peacrevol on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    ANYWAYS, back on topic...Brown was in WAY over his head, I think all of us agree on that. Everyone was, the gov, and the mayor. But FEMA is an organization charged with the responsibility of managing emegencies. It's their job to be ready for national disasters and they werent. That makes it Brown's, if anyone's, fault more than anyone else's, including the president. But I have never been one to want to put the blame on any one person. Relieving Brown of his duty in NO was the right thing to do. Point blame and evaluate the job he did after we get some order restored.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#26)
    by dead dancer on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    Well said Dadler. Where is charley?

    Charley, before you post another word about "social pathologies," looting, how poor people are to blame for their own circumstances etc., I would like you to read and digest this post (by Ken on 9/4/2005):
    For me, the two issues that have come to light most graphically during this tragedy are just how thin is the veneer of "civilization" in the USA and secondly, just how much contempt the rich have for the poor over there. I think that both of these issues are strongly illustrative of some of the underlying flaws in American (and Western) consumerist culture. What we are seeing is nothing more than the inevitable consequences of a social system founded entirely on the pursuit of material wealth. Those who so joyfully proclaimed the downfall of "socialism" and the victory of market capitalism with the collapse of the USSR (Francis Fukayama, PNAC et al) are now witnessing the catastrophic failure of their own flawed social model. Because ultimately, America is not built on "freedom" or "democracy" or "the rule of law" but on two principles: 1.Self reliance 2.Property rights are sacrosanct Everything else about the American Dream flows from these two concepts. In other words: If I work hard, depend on my own resources and acquire enough property, I can thrive in the USA, maybe I'll even get to be President. Sounds splendid, doesn't it? It evokes a vision of strong, pioneering, independent men and women striving towards a better future. These images are the very essence of the American Dream. No need of Government, no need of outsiders interfering, no need of welfare or aid. Just leave the market to provide and make sure that the state does nothing more than protect those with property from those without. But the dream is flawed. At its best, and for most of the time the dream "works" in that it keeps everyone on the same path, provides a unifying basis for American society, provides a set of shared goals to stop society disintegrating into anarchy. Most of the time, (i.e. when the rich are not in any way threatened by the vast majority of Americans who are not rich), the two ideas serve as a form of "mental pacifier" to keep those with less wealth in their place. Hence the counter-intuitive way in which poor people support tax cuts that overwhelming benefit the rich. After all, if you're poor and don't have much, then surely it makes sense to hang on to what you have by enforcing property rights for all. Surely, if you just work a little harder, a little longer, you should be able to keep the little extra that you earn and not have to give it to "the Government". Self reliance. Property rights. These are the myths that the poor are sold by the rich. But there is a dark side to a society based on these myths. When push comes to shove, when the hurricane hits, when the riots and looting starts, "Self reliance" becomes "Every man for himself" Throw in a liberal approach to private ownerhsip of handguns to the mix and you're in real trouble. When the mask slips, and the poor start exercising a little too much "self reliance" (by helping themselves to that which has been left behind by the rich when they fled town) "Property rights are sacrosanct" becomes "Property Rights trump Human Rights every time. Shoot to kill!" These are the inevitable consequences of a selfish culture. And I'm going to catch a lot of flak here for this, but on the subject of looting, I would like to ask this: Since when did theft of a widescreen TV carry the death penalty? Shoot to kill? Good God. What exactly is wrong with a man who has nothing, who has just seen his house destroyed, who has seen little or no response from those in power, who has been basically left to fend for himself whilst everyoe who had the means has just skipped town, deciding to help himself to some of the things he has been made to believe will make him happy but which he can't obtain through normal means? Those with adequate insurance for their homes and businesses will get all their possessions replaced with brand new ones. Those without will be lucky if they get rehoused. Who is the real victim here? Are those who call for looters to be shot really expecting us to believe that the owners of the stores are likely to come back (in 4 months time according to some), rinse off the mud from the wide screen TVs and put them back on sale? New Orleans is, in insurance terms, a Total Loss. The whole town is under water, for god's sake. So what if someone takes a few pairs of sneakers from Foot Locker. Their own sneakers are probably somewhere a few miles out in the Gulf of Mexico. So what if they steal some cigarettes and a bottle of booze. Do people really begrudge them a bottle of Jack Daniels whilst they wait six days for anyone to come and help them? It's the right wing who constantly claim that those on the left simply don't understand human nature. Well, human nature is not a static thing. If you constantly tell people that it's every man for himself, don't expect restraint when Everyman sees a chance to stick it to "the Man".
    And every time you think about posting yet another criticism of 'liberal groupthink', just read this first, and think very carefully about how you are going to be perceived after you post it. Maybe you don't care how you are perceived, but you should at least understand why we may not value your input until you start to demonstrate some understanding of the real issues.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#28)
    by roger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    Ah, Hi LWW! Still up to your old nasty tricks I see! Anyone who responds to this troll just feeds his twisted little psche

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#29)
    by Lww on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    Edger, very,very sorry to hear your story. SORRY. CYMRO, I haven't heard anyone say we should shoot looters!? NOBODY.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#30)
    by Edger on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    LWW: Thanks... I have no time for hate... the man who killed Cara suffers over it too... Charley: Everybody gets hurt by racism - black, white, brown, green with polkadots or zigzag stripes.... Doesn't matter. Turn us inside out we'r all the same - we're all just people, you know?

    LWW wrote:
    CYMRO, I haven't heard anyone say we should shoot looters!? NOBODY.
    Then I guess you have not been reading this site, because there is an entire thread on that subject here.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#32)
    by Lww on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    "These troops know how to shoot and kill."-Gov Blanco That's not a call to shoot to kill. Sorry.

    LWW, I think most people who read this would disagree with your interpretation.

    Once again, with the link this time: LWW, I think most people who read this would disagree with your interpretation.



    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#35)
    by Lww on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    Still ambiguous to me.....

    What a joke. MSNBC? For news?ManySillyNutsBeingConned The Governor shouldn't have blocked the Red Cross from helping people in need. Her petty snit against the Mayor cost lives. You can't blame FEMA because the Governor left everyone to die, even after the President called to "remind" her that New Orleans was below sea level and there was a "storm" on the way. The Left can keep these losers who couldn't care less for the poor until a couple months before an election. Vote Democrat at your own peril!

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#37)
    by Sailor on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:34 PM EST
    TrueLiberal - too late, the facts are in, you lose. Thanks for playing. bye bye. Next!

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#38)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:36 PM EST
    TruLiberal - Don't be discouraged. sailor doesn't believe anything that hurts his position. Your facts are right.

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#39)
    by squeaky on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:36 PM EST
    PPJ-Chew on this herr propaganda meister: link 1 link 2 via atrios

    Re: Brown Recalled to DC. Will They Break His Swo (none / 0) (#40)
    by Aaron on Sat Dec 17, 2005 at 01:03:36 PM EST
    Brown's firing is too little too late I'd say. He'll obviously wind up being the scapegoat for the Bush administration, but the responsibility for allowing people to die is only superficially that of the president. True he chose to hire someone who was not qualified, and he must bear the preponderance of the culpability for that act. There is no doubt that if the state and local governments had had the logistical support which they required, lives could surely have been saved. But unfortunately the buck does not stop with the president. The people of the United States, the electorate and those who choose not to vote as well, are ultimately responsible for those lives lost along the Gulf Coast which could otherwise have been saved. That's right the people of the United States are to blame for what happened in New Orleans and elsewhere, for it is the people who allowed George W. Bush to become the president of the United States, not once but twice. Therefore in the final analysis the responsibility lies with us. Although a number of factors conspired to create this sorry situation, there are no acceptable excuses for allowing people to die within the borders of most powerful and economically sound country on the face of the globe. WE THE PEOPLE are responsible for electing a leader who genuinely believes that cutting taxes is of greater importance then maintaining our country's infrastructure. In an undeniably real sense, returning the tax money of the wealthy is in large part responsible for the multiple failures which occurred across the Gulf Coast and in New Orleans. Sadly those tax rebates not only cost us lives, but will undoubtedly cost the country's economic base far more over the long term not to mention the enormous expenditure of taxpayer funds it's going to take to get the south back on its feet. Simply viewing the current situation from a cost-benefit analysis, it would've been vastly cheaper to have reinforced the levees in Louisiana and buttressed FEMA's resources and organizational structure then it will be to clean up this mess. Washington tries to evade political responsibility for Katrinas devastating impact