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Tom DeLay at the NRA

"When a man is in trouble or in a good fight, you want to have your friends around, preferably armed. So I feel really good."

Tom DeLay, KeynoteSpeaker, Annual Convention of the National Rifle Association, Houston, April 16, 2005.

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  • Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#1)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 02:21:42 AM EST
    Isn't that a scene from 2001? The movie, not the year. The monolith, the monolith! --Tom DeLay, who insists that the U.S. is a country founded on science fiction. Hey, spearchucker, is that a bribe in your pocket? Or are you just happy to be among the gun crazies?

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#2)
    by DonS on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 05:13:57 AM EST
    If there is a radical RW group to pander to, Bug Man will find it, and pander. Only, he probably believes his own diatribe so, technically, its not pandering, its rabble rousing.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#3)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 05:27:13 AM EST
    I would be happy to take that gun from his cold DEAD hands. But I suspect the line would rival the popes.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#4)
    by Kevin Hayden on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 05:32:29 AM EST
    I wonder if they pay him by the word for such speeches. If he charged by the lie, it would cost more.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#5)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 05:52:20 AM EST
    et al - Speaking of ethics. Can you spell h y p o c r i t e ??

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#6)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 06:58:40 AM EST
    Hey, he's a good guy. The kind of guy you want as your neighbor. Plenty of guns around so noboby's life will be in danger. There should be more people in this world like Tom DeLay. He's a US Congressman. That's an honorable position to achieve in this world. Where would we be without people like Tom DeLay?

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#7)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 07:02:18 AM EST
    I thought I was inured to shock at the continued RW hypocrisy. So the NRA - the bastion of an individual's right to live (and shoot) w/o government interference is supporting the man who led congress in butting into the Shiavo case???? I had actually (sorry gun control friends) thought the NRA's argument for the right to bear arms was valid and put up with their insistence that 50c rifles and other assault weapons should be legal based on their adherence to principle. Thanks, DeLay, for showing them up to be just a group of self-serving quasi-militants who don't give a damn about personal freedom. I say keep DeLay around. He poisons everything he touches!

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#8)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 07:06:41 AM EST
    LOL I just really looked at the picture! Finally a politician tops the "Dean scream"! If he doesn't implode soon I'll eat my...eat my ACLU card!! : )

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#9)
    by soccerdad on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 07:18:33 AM EST
    newsmax & Rush - can you say double helping of BS

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#10)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:11:51 AM EST
    Soccerdad "Don't like the message, then shoot the messenger" - Soccerdad So, Reid is $2M+ into nepotism, and Pelosi's PAC has been fined by the ethics committee. Sounds like they've both got a severe case of "Pot calling Kettle black".

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#11)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:16:32 AM EST
    I often wonder about the long forgotten idea that the repugnicans were going to bring back honor & ethics to the house? Now were hear them proclaim their no better than the Democrats! Now we have a dime(DEM) for Dollar(repug) comparison by Delay and the rest of his cronies.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#12)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:20:18 AM EST
    Actually, Ed, Reid's nepotism is 4:1 times greater than Delay's. ($2M : $0.5M).

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#13)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:42:55 AM EST
    Er....nepotism isn't even on the radar screen of DeLay's misdeeds. If my husband was a major politician and I was running around hosting dinners, making appearances, etc., I'd want 50K a year. However, for his sake as someone who purports to be part of a "moral" majority I'd make sure I could justify what I was doing by qualification, effort and time spent. In light of the much much larger ethical questions surrounding DeLay, which involve electoral fraud and influence peddling of the most blatant and seedy sort - they look pretty valid to me. He's been in hot water for years now and the shakedown of the ethics committee after they censured him twice sure as hell looks like blatant abuse of power to cover up bad stuff. Which wouldn't be so bad if they didn't come in with this evangelical base on a self-proclaimed mandate for morality.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#14)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:48:15 AM EST
    Term limits. When we let these children play together too long, they forget where they live. We need to be better parents. Frist has just confirmed his gang mentality. Now we have crips, bloods and republicans. When we arm, we get Waco and Ruby Ridge. I thought this country didn't negotiate with terrorists.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#15)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:53:54 AM EST
    Fact is, this business of the US gov and its corrupt policies and corrupt politicians is swiftly coming to a grinding halt. If you look at stocks like GM and Ford, you will see that they have both lost between 70 to 80 percent of their value since May of 2000 AD. That's not a little, that's a lot. The market has turned south and is not turning back. Politicians like DeLay have lots of excuses that are running out fast. The Honorable Congressman Ron Paul will be able to look at anybody with a straight face. The Honorable Congressman James Traficant is rotting in a cell somewhere because he knew too much. Save a few others, the rest have no honor left in them. The only way for this BS to come to a stop is for the US gov to collaspe under its own weight. It has bloated everything, and now it's time for it to stop. It is creaking and cracking and the loud bang won't be a tree falling in the forest. It's the only way out of this mess.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#16)
    by soccerdad on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:54:16 AM EST
    actually horse's a** there is more to the Delay problem but lets forget that. Some messengers deserve to be shot. There's biased then there are people who just make crap up.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#17)
    by soccerdad on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:55:34 AM EST
    and lets not forget the Repubs are dismantling the ethics committee so charges won't be brought.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#18)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 09:15:06 AM EST
    SD - Yes, the story came from that well known conservative newspaper, the LA Times. But only Newsmax picked it up. Wonder why? Could it be the MSM was too busy carry water for the Left's attacks on Delay? "But there's been nary a peep of protest about a report that Reid's sons and son-in-law cashed in on Daddy's connections - a story first reported by the Los Angeles Times two years ago" mfox - So now that we know Reid is heavy into nepotism, it isn't a problem. I am LOL at you. BTW - If you give up your belief that we have the right to own arms because of the association of Delay and the NRA, it wasn't very strong to start. Ed B - Cold, dead hands? Gee, Ed. If you are going to defend the faith you're gonna have to be tougher than that. notdumb writes - "The market has turned south and is not turning back.." If you can quantify that, let's short the market and get as rich as Soros.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#19)
    by Che's Lounge on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 09:20:09 AM EST
    Jim, You are right again. Fire them all.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#20)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 09:22:20 AM EST
    Horse What happened to the Pure lilly white ethics the repugs Promised. I guess you think it's ok for the sheriff you voted into office because he promised to get rid corruption to be himself Corrupt because his predisessors were Corrupt! The has got to be the best example of Wingnut logic to date.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#22)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 10:11:48 AM EST
    mfox - So now that we know Reid is heavy into nepotism, it isn't a problem. I am LOL at you.
    Actually, mfox said that being a lobbyist working for a company that benefits from your husband being a congressman isn't nepotism - and that is correct. Congress (Democratic and Republican) lives to feed their supporters at home - and Reid's wife working for one of those beneficiaries isn't nepotism. They of course hired her to get his ear - but if you went after every Congressman who had family hired by someone else to get his ear....On top of that the Newsmax article was typical Lymbaugh innuendo and air - he needs to say something every now and then.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#23)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 10:14:48 AM EST
    DA - The LAT is not a favorite of mine, tis true. But when I can use a mouth piece of the Left to prove my point, I'll do it in a heartbeat. BTW - I note you don't challenge my point, you just shoot at the messenger. Che - You talking to me? Term Limits? You betch'um Red Ryder!

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#24)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 10:22:55 AM EST
    I should also add that I know nothing of Reids situation - first I heard was on this thread - I am just trying, despite my bias to not get caught up in feeding frenzy mentality. I don't know that DeLay's family does or doesn't do for him, but when I first read the article I took the time to split $500K by two family members over four years it seemed not unreasonalbe. Is it indicative of the obvious (IMHO) real ethical problems DeLay has? Depends if his family is actually working for him - however I would tend to leave this alone. Unless you're a Saudi Prince and have 500 cousins, hooking up your immediate family isn't something that would make you lose my vote. Hooking up people who are paying you to pass laws that screw me and any other average working slobs (evangelicals, wingnuts included!) really pisses me off and IS hurting our country.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#25)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 10:28:50 AM EST
    I don't short the market. I don't need that kind of money. I buy value, not speculative 'profit'. Shortselling should be illegal along with state governments investing in securities. That makes the stock market vulnerable to huge swings. Take this with a grain of salt: John Jacob Astor was on the Titanic. The assertion is that the Titanic (maybe the damaged sister ship, Olympic) was deliberately sunk to assassinate the four millionaires that were on that ship. The reason: They wouldn't sign onto the proposal of the Federal Reserve Act enacted in 1913. The Titanic sunk on April 14 at midnight in 1912. The Federal Reserve Act was proposed in 1910. J. P. Morgan owned the Whitestar Line and died in March of 1913 with a broken spirit. The Constitution only allows for gold and silver coin as legal tender. All currency must be backed by silver or gold.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#26)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 10:43:24 AM EST
    mfox - There was, and is a link to Reid, and comment holds. If it is bad for one, it is bad for the other. The Left has a wonderful knack of ignoring the problems of their politicans, and attacking the right. To be far, so does the right. JC - The article's orgination was the LA Times, not Limbaugh, not Newsmax. And when a company hires the wife of a Senator, you are right. It isn't nepotism. But it obviously has all the trappings of real ethics problems. Guess you don't care about that. And no. They don't all do that.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#27)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 11:11:37 AM EST
    I would have preferred you link the LA Times article then - not the Newsmax air. This is an interesting overview on relatives working and lobbying Congress:
    Inside South Dakota reported in January 2004 that then Minority Whip Harry Reid, the "top Senate Democrat on the Ethics Committee [was] pushing for a broad review of the chamber's lobbying rules, an overhaul that could eventually lead to a formal ban on Senators' family members lobbying their offices."
    That is the problem with Rush - he could come up with a 2 year old article but not Reid's reaction to the problem.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#29)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 11:56:44 AM EST
    If our non government keeps going the way it is, guns will be used on the population of this non nation state. De Lay needs friends, and he can hand out jobs to all, in the old third world way. I have guns do you? can that put me in Abu Ghraib by both non parties?, propaganda on both sides is so much fun to watch.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#30)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 12:04:10 PM EST
    Ed I think we can agree that there's enough corruption in Congress to go around. If I had to call out everyone for alleged "ethical lapses" there'd be no one left to vote for, on either side of the aisle. Besides, all signs indicate that this is nothing more than a failed MSM/Democrat hit-job against a powerful Republican. The disparity in MSM coverage between ethical questions concerning Reid/Pelosi/Delay and the Democrat's own refusal to even acknowlege similar ethical lapses of their own reinforces this conclusion.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#31)
    by cp on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 12:06:52 PM EST
    i'm sort of curious as to what tom delay ever did to protect this country? i went to his official web site, and noted a glaring absence of military service. this shouldn't, of itself, be a bar to other public service, but if you're going to go running around, with a gun in your hand, proclaiming how ready you are, with your buds, to defend this great nation, it would kind of be nice if you actually had some bona fides. td's nepotism, direct and unsullied as it is by third parties, isn't all that big of a deal, by its lonesome. the dollars aren't that big, probably every politician with a family does it to some extent. hey, if you can't trust family, who the hell can you trust? if they are actually qualified to do the job, better still. i'm not suggesting it's fine, but it isn't the worst sin to commit. reid's situation is actually a bit different: his son-in-law was perfectly qualified, and was not working directly for him. it still doesn't look good, but who would run for public office, if they weren't able to help their family out in the process? delay's nepotism is the least of it, a small whiff, as it were, of the odor that surrounds his whole being. an odor quickly engulfing the entire republican party. i must give them credit though, they've managed in ten years what it took the dems forty to do, become absolutely corrupted, by absolute power. something to be said for that. i'm not sure what, but something.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#32)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 12:16:35 PM EST
    JC - Unfortunately I can't access the LAT's archives, so the best I can do is give you the Newsmax follow. Are you saying that Newsmax and Limbaugh are lying? Your link certainly appears to support them. And what does this mean? "an overhaul that could eventually lead to a formal ban on Senators' family members lobbying their offices." That would be impossible unless you forbid them having certain jobs. No, the reason why the Left, and I'm lumpiong you right in there as a Leftie, wants Delay's skin is that he is an effective congressman for the Right. DA - But if the LAT proves your point, how can I blow it off? You can run, but you can't hide!

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#33)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 12:45:22 PM EST
    Well said, CP. Horse - I wouldn't be so disgusted by him if the stuff he's accused of wasn't so unpatriotic and hypocritical as well as harmful to the very people and causes he runs and is voted in on. - are you really sure that this stuff he's accused of doesn't stink? Power corrupts all but a very few, however. Thats why our government officials are scrutinized and aren't granted a presumption of innocence regarding policy decisions or mistakes. Here in Boston we have the ultimate entrenched Democratic legislature so emboldened and patronage laden that we have elected three Republican Govenors just to keep a balance of power of sorts. No one should be immune but the level of public outrage should correspond with the damage to our interests and well being caused by said wrongdoing. Hiring your wife to work for you shouldn't harm the electorate much, but using bribes, influence and lies to gain Republican seats in the TX legislature, if true (and I may have slightly misstated the charge) as well as his connections with lobbyists who at a minimum operate outside the normal lines and channels are a stab in the back of those who elected him as a man of integrity.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#34)
    by Sailor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 12:47:48 PM EST
    notice how no one here defends delay, they just point fingers at others. the 'left' doesn't have to attack delay, he's imploding from a long series of corrupt practices.
    "I am the federal government." - DeLay responding to a government employee who tried to prevent him from smoking on government property.


    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#36)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 01:16:39 PM EST
    The point is I am not after Delay, or Reid - you could remove them both from the Senate and it wouldn't miss a beat. Its about policy not people - positions not spokespeople.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#37)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 01:50:28 PM EST
    cp writes - "Reid's situation is actually a bit different: his son-in-law was perfectly qualified," Not exactly. "Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) "has had three sons and a son-in-law involved in firms that lobby the government or litigate for industries seeking government benefits. Hundreds of thousands of dollars have been paid for their services. This has made Mr. Reid, as co-chairman of the ethics committee, the focal point for the critics" Source Now tell me these four individuals all would have been hired by their respective firms if Reid had not been a Senator. DA - No, I'll still call it a left wing rag. mfox writes - "Thats why our government officials are scrutinized and aren't granted a presumption of innocence regarding policy decisions or mistakes." The above may come as a shock to many in government. But whatever. I assume you will be on the phone first thing in the AM demanding Hillary and Pelosi resign. Pelosi over her PAC problems, and Hillary over her LA fund raising problems. et al - Let us face the facts. You are after Delay because you don't like his politics and because he is a very effective Congressman for his side.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#38)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 02:01:20 PM EST
    No, the reason why the Left, and I'm lumpiong you right in there as a Leftie, wants Delay's skin is that he is an effective congressman for the Right.
    Hey guys - Ive become a leftie

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#39)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 02:10:57 PM EST
    JC - As Popeye said, "I am what I am." ;-)

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#41)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 05:44:08 PM EST
    Death solves all problems. No man, no problem.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#42)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 05:51:10 PM EST
    what I want to know is, is DeLay advocating violent overthrow of the US? Sounds like to me.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#44)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 05:59:29 PM EST
    DA - Hard to figure why the Left likes terrorist such as Che. Was that my [point? Shoeless - Now, are we 100% sure that the lady in question was a Repub? NOt that I'm doubting, it is just a little tooooo much.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#43)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 07:07:26 PM EST
    Damn! Sometimes you dodge one bullet and just get hit by another. "SUGAR LAND, Tex. , April 16 - Patricia Baig, a substitute teacher with a comfortable inheritance, paid $2,776 this week to call for Representative Tom DeLay's resignation. [text of article deleted, please limit this space to comments. The article is available at the link above]

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#45)
    by cp on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 08:45:48 PM EST
    ppj, to be honest, i have no idea when reid's family members became employees of the firms in question. his son-in-law is, however, a practicing attorney, and was before reid was elected. i'm sure it didn't hurt him to have reid as his father-in-law, assuming they both are democrats, but i suspect he could have obtained employment in that firm, or elsewhere, had reid not been in congress. the same cannot be said of delay's family members. again, nepotism is the venal sin, far outweighed by the many cardinal sins he stands accused of committing. the greatest of these is one he can't be tried for, except at the polls: hubris.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#47)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 09:07:24 PM EST
    The worst thing is ppj is right - delay is attacked on this personal stuff because he is a political target - as is Reid. Delay appears to have many political issues - but I would hire my wife in my campaign. She is best friend and closest advisor. And Reid, after the article quoted by Limbaugh - begins a process to tighten ethics around family members lobbying. Attack on person is one of the ugliest parts of politics.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#48)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Sun Apr 17, 2005 at 09:26:41 PM EST
    DA - You were fibbing to me? Gosh, that is hard to believe. Sorry, I am unfamilar with Kingsley's dress, etc. Next time I will try and be a better straight man. And why should I tell you? Don't you know? ;-) cp - Hubris is a terrible thing, and most polticans suffer from it. As to what Reid's children could, or could not do, who knows? And should we care? Only if we want to start keeping score on who has sliced the bologna the thinest.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#50)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 07:20:07 AM EST
    DA - Well, you finally got something right. I know very little about the LAT. I used to read it some while in Los Angeles plying my avocation, but the BS just got the best of me. So I just quit. I did read somewhere that the LAT's circulation figures were way down. It appears that I am not alone in deciding I can live without it, and whatever Kingsley does in it.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#51)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 07:24:07 AM EST
    Posted by PPJ (aka Jim) at April 18, 2005 08:20 AM
    DA - Well, you finally got something right.
    DA... you must feel so proud... : )

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#52)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 08:37:35 AM EST
    "When a man is in trouble or in a good fight, you want to have your friends around, preferably armed. So I feel really good." Actually, Tom stole that line from a gun-control spokesman. And when Tom tried to attribute the quote, he just mumbled something about Sarah Brady. Anyway, it was actually Peter Hamm, who is a spokesman for the Brady Campaign. Here's what Peter said: "When you're in Tom DeLay's predicament, the only thing better than surrounding yourself with friends is surrounding yourself with heavily armed friends." Saw it in the Chicago Trib this weekend, but it came from Houston Chronicle originally.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#53)
    by roger on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 09:07:05 AM EST
    "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out"

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#55)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 10:10:07 AM EST
    Posted by PPJ (aka Jim) at April 17, 2005 06:52 AM et al - Speaking of ethics. Can you spell h y p o c r i t e ?? Sure! R E P U B L I C A N Gee - sorry I discounted a heavily propaganda-filled article by a bunch of Bush Fellators At Work, pointed out by another Bush Fellator At Work. After all, if Rush told us it's a fact, it must be true!

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#56)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 10:57:24 AM EST
    Is a Fellator what I think it is? Was M-O-N-I-C-A a Fellator?? : )

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#57)
    by Che's Lounge on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 12:16:44 PM EST
    Mfox, Fellator: See Michael Powell

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#58)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 12:51:50 PM EST
    LoL... I still can't get over the pic. There must be a hundred really good captions that go with it - I can't really even begin to ponder... Then again, are captions needed?

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#59)
    by jondee on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 01:24:55 PM EST
    PPJ - Thanks again for getting us back on-topic. Che Guevara. Or,as your hero,the-great-befuddled-one Raygun said,"a freedom fighter". Is that supposedto make you look better for shilling for Delay and the frat-boy-in-chief?

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#60)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 02:22:46 PM EST
    Not to sully the conversation with facts, but newspaper ciculation has been dropping for a while. It also appears that the other proto-media are having similar problems. Yes, the overall quality of the individual media organs may be in decline, but the true culprit is likely the internet based media and entertainment, as well as other technologically inspired distractions.

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#61)
    by Sailor on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 02:59:23 PM EST
    Ooops, malformed link: Shame

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#62)
    by Talkleft Visitor on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 06:05:52 PM EST
    mfox - He is one ahead of you, so he should be. jondee - You are right, I should not have responded to DA's snarky remark. Next time I'll just huddle down and take it. (Hold your breath.) In the meantime, as I have commented time and again, if DeLay has done something, charge and try him. In the meantime, don't expect any respect for the continual politcally based attacks on him. MAC - See, lots of people agree with my position. Thanks. mfox - You can't be serious. Sailor - Shame should have tried praying to God. Graven images and all that not working very well .

    Re: Tom DeLay at the NRA (none / 0) (#63)
    by Che's Lounge on Mon Apr 18, 2005 at 07:54:15 PM EST
    Jim, Really scraping the barrel. Man if I put up links like that you'd be laughing your ass off, and I wouldn't blame you. I hope that anyone who actually wasted time following your link (I did so only because it was relevant to me politically) realizes that the entire premise of your arguement rests on the opinions of a "musician" and a "cuban gentleman", with no historical verification, corroboration or fact checking of their stories. WO bandwidth.