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He has always (none / 0) (#30)
by cannondaddy on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 07:58:35 AM EST
been against a federal or constitutional ban on same sex marriage.  He said it should be left to the states.  I think he prefers civil unions but would rather have legal same sex marriage over discriminatory laws written to block it.

well, isn't this a STATE initiative? (5.00 / 2) (#37)
by TimNCGuy on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 08:14:04 AM EST
Is Obama for states being able to decide as long as they don't decide on a constitutional ban?

I am totally FOR equal marriage rights.  But, this is just one more instance where you can't really figure out what Obama's position really is.

Obama's position on gay marriage has been a total muddle since the beginning ofthe campaign.

First he said the states should get out of marriage and let the church have it.  But, when I wrote his campaign for clarification on this they said he didn't mean the state should get out of marriage for Heteros, just gays.  I thought I would like his position if it was have the state issue civil union licenses to ALL gay and straight and then let individual churches decide if they wanted to "bless" a union in a religious cerimony.  We all know any gay couple would be able to find a church for a wedding cerimony if they wanted one.  And, this would actual be a position of equality.

But, what it came down to is Obama is for "separate but equal".  And he's not even for that completely because he would not push or support a FEDERAL mandate that ALL states provide civil unions for gays.  His actual position is to allow any state that wants to discriminate, to just go ahead and do so.

He does support repeal of DOMA so that gay couples in LEGALLY recognized unions can get all the federal benefits of marriage.  But, again, a gay couple only qualifies for the fed benefits if they happen to live in a state that has some sort of legal recognition.  So on federal benefits for gays Obama also supports discrimination by any state that wants to discriminate.

He Obama really wants to be equal for federal benefits he should allow gay couples who live in states where there is no legal recognition to sign up for a federally recognized union that would allow those couples to get the federal benefits even if they can't get the state benefits.

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if what you are saying is that (5.00 / 2) (#42)
by english teacher on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 08:25:21 AM EST
he supports the rights of states with majorities that will always vote against to prevent legal recognition over the rights of the individuals in those states to equal protection under the law, then that is a very weak position my friend.  individual liberty should be the paramount concern here.  at least it is consistent with the fisa flip.  

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