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You know what? (4.50 / 8) (#51)
by tree on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 01:54:14 PM EST
There were people who favored the Vietnam War and violently opposed the protesters that also went too far. And, on another 60's issues, there were people involved in the civil rights movement that went too far.  There were people involved in union organizing and pushing for better labor laws that went too far. There were people opposing slavery that went too far. There were people that participated in the birth of our country that went too far. I don't see any reason to single out Vietnam war protesters as somehow needing to be yet again held up as the lone example of a small group of people that went too far. If Obama can't understand and teach the lesson that excesses happen on every side of an issue, then he really ought to STFU about it rather than perpetuating stereotypes. Sadly, I suspect he really believes those stereotypes, which doesn't say anything good about his depth of understanding of people or issues.

 

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Too Far (4.00 / 1) (#58)
by creeper on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 02:02:02 PM EST
There were people who favored the Vietnam War and violently opposed the protesters that also went too far.

Yeah.  One of them was the president.

Never thought I'd be citing Goldwater but here goes.  "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue."

Of course, it makes a difference who you believe the tyrants are.

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huh? (none / 0) (#79)
by jimakaPPJ on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 02:20:43 PM EST
There were people who favored the Vietnam War and violently opposed the protesters that also went too far

Hmmm. And just who might those be? Got some links?

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Good lord, why are so many clueless? (5.00 / 1) (#90)
by tree on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 02:33:01 PM EST
Look up the hard hat riots, look up Kent State. Look up the Chicago Police Riot at the 1968 Democratic Convention. Read some valid history of the time. There was anger and violence on both sides of the issue. Look up the VFW and the Vietnam vets. Do you honestly think that everyone in the country was just kumbaya except the protesters?

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They're clueless because they just don't (5.00 / 1) (#195)
by mikeyleigh on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 07:35:17 PM EST
care.  I remember teaching Viet Nam era politics to a bunch of college freshmen in 1980.  They didn't know the stakes involved, didn't understand them, and just didn't care.  The Viet Nam War might just as well have been the Punic Wars as far as they were concerned.  And I believe Obama plays on this lack of knowledge on this issue, on the MLK-LBJ remarks made by Hillary, on the achievements of Bill Clinton's administration etc.

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I took the liberty (5.00 / 1) (#100)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 02:46:10 PM EST
of providing you a link:

Wikipedia

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