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I knew it (5.00 / 4) (#7)
by otherlisa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:22:54 AM EST
Every little bit of evidence I've managed to glean about what Obama would do as President adds up to a centrist with weak core principles who will service the needs of the corporate class at the expense of working people, the environment, and all those other non-New Democrat ("now with Creativity!") types.

This is yet another confirmation.

Here's my big question (5.00 / 4) (#12)
by AnninCA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:26:34 AM EST
I agree with you.  I also see all these supposed "progressives" and supposed "educated" people going for it.

It's so obvious.

What gives?

I just don't get it.  

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You got me (none / 0) (#16)
by otherlisa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:39:03 AM EST
All my "Progressive" friends are on the Obama-wagon. Some of them have sorta logical reasons - they don't think he's great, but they are all about the "Movement" and the "Process" and feel that Obama will be somewhat indebted to the people who help put him in the White House.

That's the part where I really shake my head. It's one thing to not pay attention and buy the rhetoric, that he's the Great Liberal Hope and Hillary is the She-Demon of Babylon. But if you actually know who he is, why would you expect him to change?

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Process (5.00 / 6) (#32)
by cal1942 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:15:15 AM EST
""Movement" and the "Process"

What's amazing is that these people actually think that policy magically drops out of the sky because of the "process."  They couldn't be more wrong if they made a concious effort.

I believe that his support is part Clinton Derangement Syndrome. Part economic conservatism. Part snob animus towards industrial workers and part simply because he's new. And many more parts just as revolting as those.

That he's went anywhere at all in this race could be the subject of quite a revealing study.  A study of our decline as a nation.

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I am a "high-information" (5.00 / 2) (#38)
by AnninCA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:24:11 AM EST
person.  Proably a lot more than his demographic.

However, I do wish to put forth a unifying idea here.

The same fears I saw growing the the 70s and 80s among industrial workers is now growing among white-collar, college educated workers.

Let's get real.  The average 4-year college grad is on the firing line job-wise.  This is the Stran Steel story of this decade.  Their jobs are being outsourced as fast as the blue-collar worker of previous decades.

I have no explanation for why I saw what was coming, but I can tell you:  I was right.

I say this, too.  Without a middle-class?  Whether you work in a cubicle or a factory?

America is truly gone.

If the "creative" class honestly imagines that they have much to offer?

Go read the contributers to Huffington Post.  

Honestly, 90% is hack stuff.  Poorly thought out.  Poorly written.

We have no real creative class to offer the world right now.

That's fantasy.

We either rebuild the middle class, or we go down the tubes.

BTW......I honestly don't care.  I'll be dead.

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college education means less (5.00 / 3) (#43)
by bigbay on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:59:55 AM EST
what passes for college graduate writing now, would have been high school graduate level 30 years ago.


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I Agree bigbay (5.00 / 1) (#47)
by cal1942 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:40:15 AM EST
The quality we see today is poor by comparison.

In high school we were actually prepared to go to college with stringent basic course requirements and high standards.

I was dumbstruck when I asked a college bound nephew to tell me about his high school senior thesis. He didn't know what I was talking about.  That was a little over 30 years ago.

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OK (none / 0) (#18)
by AnninCA on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:50:19 AM EST
Then I'm back to my original thinking.  I think a lot of them were raised by Republicans.  I really do.

My Gen-X son knew that Hillary wasn't the she-devil, but he was raised Democrat during "the scorching."  I bet you bucks that many who are confused were raised in Republican households and bought the smears.

My own Gen-Xer voted for Hillary, but has since fallen prey to "unite the party, omigod" mantra.

However, I had to chuckle the other day.  He said, "I saw McCain debate.  Omigod...so not a problem."  LOL*

I did, indeed, say......"told you so."  :)

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Yeah (none / 0) (#48)
by cal1942 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:53:25 AM EST
Among the 'creative class" are KOS, former Republican and free trade advocate, Josh Marshall, DLCer, free trade advocate and I read somewhere former Republican, Aravosis, former Republican.

Of the Obama supporters I know, a number came from GOP families.

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Problem is... (none / 0) (#76)
by stefystef on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:15:20 AM EST
Obama is NOT a progressive liberal.  He's a centrist.
He co-oped John Edwards' platform and his populace stance and put the racial spin on it and knocked everyone out using undercover tactics and getting the media to promote him while doing little to nothing.

What is pitiful is all these "progressive" liberals think they finally have a champion, but it's all lies.  Obama just hides behind the liberal mask, but that's not who he is.

Just from some of the people who he cut loose during this campaign tells me that he is really an opportunist who will use anyone to get what he wants.  He uses his aloofness as "coolness", but that will only impress the "creative" crowd who, themselves, are aloof snobs.

This is NOT translate in November.

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what gives (none / 0) (#66)
by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:01:56 AM EST
is "progressives" have money now, and they like it, and they want to hold onto it.  It's called having your cake and eating it, too.

I remember when I got my first check and had to pay almost half of it in taxes.  I grumbled, "dang tax and spend liberals!" all the way to the post office.

Don't y'all see how perfect Obama is?  He'll assuage your white guilt, heal the world, talk the progressive talk, all while being a republican.

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