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Almost as good an argument as Kennedy's (5.00 / 7) (#1)
by tigercourse on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:49:26 PM EST
"she's not noble" bit. Faux socialism charges are going to be the least of Obama's worries.


I just read that. Total disbelief that he would (5.00 / 3) (#8)
by Teresa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:57:28 PM EST
phrase it that way. He has made me livid again just when I was getting over it.

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The funniest part is that Ted Kennedy is pretty (5.00 / 3) (#11)
by tigercourse on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:59:34 PM EST
darn far away from someone I'd call noble.

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If he'd endorsed Hillary (5.00 / 3) (#17)
by andgarden on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:00:49 PM EST
that video of him calling Obama "Osama" would have gotten wide circulation.

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I just called Ted Kennedy's office and told them (5.00 / 1) (#49)
by Mark Woods on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:11:49 PM EST
to take my name off their regular donors' list. I told them NO WAY I ain't voting for Obama if Hillary isn't 1/2 of the ticket.

And I did that right after I called Rep. Robert Wexler to tell him Obama's statement to 'seat the FL delegates at the convention wasn't going to convince me or my Miami Beach neighbors to forgive Obama

-- that letting us participate in the nomination would mean anything substantive.

And told them they aren't going to convince gays or Latinos or Jews that Obama is better than Hillary on Israel, Immigration or Gay Marriage, because he ain't.

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Sorry I meant (5.00 / 1) (#64)
by Mark Woods on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:14:42 PM EST
Only letting us participate in the nomination would mean anything substantive.

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Ted Kennedy's number is (5.00 / 1) (#70)
by Mark Woods on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:16:42 PM EST
202 -224-4543

Kennedy's fax is 202 - 546 - 2285

Rep. Robert Wexler's number is 202-225-3001

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thank you (none / 0) (#74)
by bjorn on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:17:49 PM EST


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what is his phone number? (none / 0) (#58)
by bjorn on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:13:37 PM EST


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Hey, tigercourse, have not seen you (5.00 / 1) (#152)
by TomP on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:04:20 PM EST
in a while.

I enjoyed the primary much better last year, while Edwards was still in it.  :-)

You did a good job fighting for your chosen candidate in a really tough environment last year.

I find Dkos so weird now that I usually only go by if a friend has a diary.

It's not Obama so much; he is whom he always was, a centrist.  I can vote for him easily if he is nominated.  It's the idolotry and the refusal to critically analyze that premeates the place from top to bottom.  It does not have much intelligent analysis or discourse.  All Obama all the time.

They should have had a front pager who favored Clinton and argued for her and should have allowed the Clinton people to make their case for her.  When they troll rated Peter Daou, I knew discourse was not likely to happen.

We need a real progressive netroots.  

Anyway, good to see you.

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Didn't Ted Kennedy: (1.00 / 2) (#61)
by Mrwirez on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:14:27 PM EST
Drive drunk....Kill a girl ......Swim safely to shore .....Leave her to drown all alone?

What a NOBLE guy

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Below the belt (3.66 / 3) (#72)
by txpolitico67 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:17:09 PM EST
That's a republican talking point.  Cut it out.  

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Indeed (5.00 / 2) (#128)
by gyrfalcon on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:40:57 PM EST
The only thing more pervasive in this country than Clinton Derangement Syndrome is Kennedy Derangement Syndrome.

Listen up, people: Ted Kennedy is not our enemy.  There isn't a single soul in this country who's been more on the side of the working man and true progressive policies, or more effective, than Ted Kennedy.

He totally blew it with Obama, and I know he will come to regret that endorsement.  But his endorsement of Obama does not erase the rest of his record or life's work anymore than Hillary's AUMF vote erases everything else she's done.


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I am not upset about his (none / 0) (#140)
by bjorn on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:49:37 PM EST
endorsement of Obama. I am upset that he thinks Clinton is not worthy to be VP.  I agree that he has done a lot of good in the senate, but he is the last one to be talking about someone's worthiness. And if he takes shots at Clinton, he should be prepared to take a few shots himself given his past record.  

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ordinarily in "normal" times your would (none / 0) (#175)
by hellothere on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:43:35 PM EST
have a valid point. i cannot and will not forgive anyone who has helped this nightmare to happen.

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ordinarily in "normal" times you would (none / 0) (#177)
by hellothere on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:43:56 PM EST
have a valid point. i cannot and will not forgive anyone who has helped this nightmare to happen.

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so sorry about double posting! i'll watch it. (none / 0) (#178)
by hellothere on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:46:03 PM EST


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Cut it out why? (3.00 / 2) (#82)
by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:20:11 PM EST
It happened.  She died.  If Kennedy can make a character attack against Clinton, then I think it's fair game for us to point out some of his past flaws.

It's called standing up for something you believe in.  Hillary Clinton does not need Ted Kennedy to lecture her on morals.

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You are welcome to bring up (5.00 / 2) (#119)
by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:34:52 PM EST
Lewinsky as much as you like, but don't you think it rather crosses the line to blame Hillary Clinton for her husband's affair?  I mean, what's up with that?  She wasn't "putting out" enough?  Don't you feel just a little bit dirty saying that kind of thing?  Do you really think that the only reason men cheat on their wives is because their cold, frigid wives drive them to it?  Are men so incapable of controlling their carnal desires that their wives have to be at their beck and call, otherwise, they look for it somewhere else...and then, it's all the woman's fault?

I think you've shown more of your true self with that one statement than anything else you've said here.  It paints a really bad picture of you.

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Who elected you the judge of charecter? (5.00 / 1) (#180)
by cawaltz on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:47:16 PM EST
Personally, I feel that it takes just as much charecter to overlook a charecter flaw and not toss out a marriage based on that flaw. Hillary has nothing to be ashamed about for forgiving her husband and she certainly shouldn't be judged by third parties that have absolutely no knowledge of what has or hasn't gone on in their marriage for her decision to remain in that marriage.

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personal attack! (none / 0) (#179)
by hellothere on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:46:50 PM EST


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Kathy I usually agree with you but.... (5.00 / 3) (#123)
by Maria Garcia on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:37:07 PM EST
..I'm not comfortable going this far. That said, I chose to overlook all of those things about Ted Kennedy because I approved of his record, not because I considered him noble or somehow "better" than other politicians. I support Hillary because I see nobility and purpose, not in her rhetoric but in her record and in the causes she has chosen to fight for. I really don't get where these party elders are coming from anymore.

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I understand your reluctance (5.00 / 3) (#148)
by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:01:33 PM EST
I wouldn't have mentioned it but for Kennedy making a personal character attack on Clinton.  It'd be like Bill Clinton calling out Newt Gingrich for cheating on his wife. (actually, it wouldn't be as bad as Kennedy, because at least Gingrich is a republican).

I am just so disgusted by these puffy white men telling Hillary Clinton that she is ignoble or unseemly for continuing to run what is a viable race to get the nomination.

And, let's also add that Kennedy himself was in Clinton's spot back in the 80s, though down a thousand delegates and zillions more in the popular vote, and he took it to the convention.

I am with you on your last point, though: I don't know where these party elders are coming from, either.

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You are kidding right? (none / 0) (#115)
by bjorn on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:32:20 PM EST
Ted Kennedy's manslaughter is the same as being married to a man who cheated?  You are totally kidding right?

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I am with you Kathy. (none / 0) (#154)
by AX10 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:07:07 PM EST
I have never been a supporter of Ted Kennedy.
He murdered that girl and got off easy because of his family's name.

Ted did something much worse than he claims Hillary did.
I do not want to hear about morality from Ted Kennedy.

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When someone dies it is not (none / 0) (#90)
by bjorn on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:22:52 PM EST
a talking point.  He ran away!  Republican talking points are mostly exaggerated or outright false. This is a known fact that almost landed him in jail and probably should have.

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Destruction of Clintons (5.00 / 2) (#40)
by PennProgressive on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:09:24 PM EST
is what the leadership in the demacratic party wants. How else can you rationalize Kennedy's statements? As Kennedy sees it, not only Hillary Clinton cannot appeal to the noble side of America, she is not even a real leader. As AP puts it," Kennedy, 76, without naming names, said Obama should pick someone who ``is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people.'' ``If we had real leadership -- as we do with Barack Obama-- in the No. 2 spot as well, it'd be enormously helpful,'' Kennedy said." And of ccourse Kennnedy said that it is not likely that Obama will pick Hillary Clinton as no.2 on the  ticket. I wonder what they will say after Obama loses in November. I guess they will blame it on Clintons again for exposing Obama's weakness.

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The fact (none / 0) (#56)
by Ga6thDem on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:13:03 PM EST
that Ted Kennedy doesn't think she's noble probably helps her even more with voters.

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True statement. My mother said (none / 0) (#113)
by FLVoter on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:31:26 PM EST
that Ted Kennedy not endorsing Sen. Clinton was the best thing that happened to her.  Those people who remember Ted Kennedy the early years, or even the later years (Palm Beach trial)can attest to that.  Talk about skeletons!

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if you can't win the presidency (none / 0) (#141)
by kangeroo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:51:11 PM EST
yourself, at least deny the other big dem family's chance at it too?

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Wow! He's the guy who (none / 0) (#44)
by Molly Pitcher on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:10:26 PM EST
was excoriated for leaving the girl to drown?  Where was that printed--no, don't think I care to read it.

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We're swimming (5.00 / 2) (#75)
by txpolitico67 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:18:04 PM EST
in GOP-speak when we bring up Chappaquidick.

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True, but (none / 0) (#99)
by p lukasiak on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:26:36 PM EST
But, still...

Ted Kennedy trying to imply that Hillary Clinton isn't noble enough to be Obama's VP?

I mean, bringing up Chappaquidick under these circumstances would result in a conviction of, at most, involuntary character manslaughter....

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Hey, come on (none / 0) (#60)
by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:14:12 PM EST
give the guy a break--he was drunk.  And, uh, it was Clinton's fault.

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Well, using the word 'noble' was (5.00 / 1) (#131)
by Molly Pitcher on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:43:12 PM EST
going a touch too far.  Talk about delusions of Camelot?  (I guess Hillary is playing Mordred in that floor show.)

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