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It's comments like these (5.00 / 7) (#7)
by janarchy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:51:02 PM EST
Obama should choose a running mate who "is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people," Kennedy said. "If we had real leadership -- as we do with Barack Obama -- in the No. 2 spot as well, it'd be enormously helpful."

which make me wonder if ol' Ted has fallen off the wagon again. In what universe has Obama shown any leadership qualities to date? I guess my definition of 'noble' and his are very different.

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Oh, so now we are not noble either? (5.00 / 8) (#18)
by BarnBabe on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:58:36 PM EST
Obama should choose a running mate who "is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people,"
Just keep digging you guys and your base is taking a walk. Or, maybe the idea is to elect John McCain just as long as it is not Hillary. Seems we have a whole group of Cheneys wanting to get into power.

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Yikes even Ted has insulted us. (5.00 / 6) (#30)
by Maria Garcia on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:06:39 PM EST
Im kind of shocked by this, actually.

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He's (5.00 / 5) (#34)
by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:08:08 PM EST
still peeved about not bringing Massachusetts for Obama.

He's being passive aggressive.

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Deval Patrick (5.00 / 2) (#66)
by kempis on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:19:20 PM EST
...has probably helped to sour a lot of Massachusetts voters on Obama, who actually does not poll very well against McCain there.

I have some friends in Massachusetts who report that Patrick, who wooed the voters with an Axelrod-orchestrated campaign promising "hope" and "change" {erp}, has hit the ground with a sickening thud. He's been a pretty resounding disappointment, promising a "new politics" and delivering the same old corruption and obvious pandering.

It seems the loftier the campaign rhetoric, the harder the fall.

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Mass. and Deval (none / 0) (#102)
by Binx on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:36:17 PM EST
The real thud for Deval has been running into the buzz-saw of Speaker of the House Sal DiMasi. That and his support for casinos (which DiMasi was against). As a MA resident I'll give you that you have an argument for the "pandering" but the "corruption" and "politics as usual" is not from Deval, it's the entrenched, party-pols that control everything. There's no new politics unless it's THEIR new politics.

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Yup (5.00 / 0) (#109)
by CST on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:40:10 PM EST
I think Deval gets a bad rep.  We have the best economy in the country right now in Mass with really low unemployment and actually some economic growth.  Sure, there are problems, but given that we are in a national recession I'd say someone's doing a pretty good job.  The casino thing is a little stupid, but not a dealbreaker for me at least.

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Casinos (none / 0) (#132)
by DFLer on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:50:46 PM EST
Are the proposed casinos privately or publically owned? Are they NA owned and operated?

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The bill failed but.... (none / 0) (#141)
by Binx on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:56:17 PM EST
The bill didn't pass but the idea was 3 private casinos. I'm not for the casinos so I must admit I didn't pay that close attention.


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Not to mention CA. (none / 0) (#72)
by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:22:35 PM EST


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Ted insulted us when (5.00 / 8) (#35)
by Stellaaa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:08:23 PM EST
he said he was passing the torch.  As if the torch was his to pass.  That really did me in.  I lost any affection I had for the guy.  

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Sounds more like he's in charge of the (5.00 / 3) (#69)
by Anne on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:20:50 PM EST
torches and the pitchforks to me.

Honestly, I was more offended by his comments about the nobler aspirations - for one because I think there is a lot of nobility in working to better people's lives - and I emphasize "working" because with Obama showing all the signs of being averse to work, the last thing we need is a VP with his head in the, um, clouds all the time, too.

I get that it's important to inspire people, but come on - how much more inspiration do people need to fix energy and health care and foreign policy than sky-high-and rising energy costs, more and more people without health insurance and a war that seems to be on a path toward endless?  Sure, he can wax poetic, have people fainting in the aisles at the sheer brilliance and beauty of his rhetoric ( which I really don't see, myself), but that isn't going to help me pay my health insurance premiums, or fill my tank or help me put food on the table.

Why do they not get that?


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Ted Kennedy (none / 0) (#80)
by bjorn on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:26:38 PM EST
is a sad, sad man.  He is "bitter" and "clinging" to the glory days of his brothers.  It is only going to take a couple more comments like this to push me over the edge and join the Don't Vote for Obama gang.  Their comments just make Obama look bad and they cast doubt on his ability to unite the party.  

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Maria....How Can You Be Surprised By (5.00 / 3) (#38)
by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:09:01 PM EST
anything anymore...I am not surprised, but I am certainly displeased everytime one of these morons come up with another lame argument against Hillary.  Kennedy is just trying to stay relevant, but is doing a lousy job.

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I sure think McCain (5.00 / 3) (#39)
by abfabdem on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:09:25 PM EST
has been given a huge opening to appeal to older voters since we have been trashed by our own party who thinks we do not matter and are not needed.  Thanks Donna, "progressive" blogs and Air America.  We can take the hint.

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CNN uses "WORM" :-) (none / 0) (#244)
by Cream City on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:07:22 PM EST
Looking at my TV screen right now, CNN's banner is:

"Losing His Bearings" Uproar
What Obama Really Meant

Are the media starting to mock Obama with this acronmyn so common in blogspace?

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He was never on the wagon (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by andgarden on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:05:01 PM EST


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I agree (none / 0) (#29)
by madamab on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:06:22 PM EST
he's as dry as W.

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Ah, well, he claimed to be. (none / 0) (#162)
by janarchy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 02:05:57 PM EST
You're right -- silly me for actually believing anything he says anymore.

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Wow (5.00 / 7) (#49)
by chrisvee on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:13:19 PM EST
Here's  part of the problem.  With party elders saying things like this (Clinton doesn't share noble aspirations for the American people??  Clinton doesn't provide real leadership??) how do we expect unity?  

I feel as if we're hurtling towards a cliff.  BTD said many weeks ago that things need to be dialed back a bit and he looked to the Obama campaign to set the tone (I hope I'm doing justice to his thoughts and not misrepresenting them).  No one is listening and instead we're getting this pile on situation that is only going to carve the divisions deeper.

I'm getting very depressed about November.

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I don't think you need to worry about Nov. (none / 0) (#248)
by chrisblask on Fri May 09, 2008 at 04:24:15 PM EST
The GOP has it's own problems which make Dem problems look like a bright sunny day.

I'm new here so I hope it isn't trolling to say anything nice about Obama supporters, but among us it is very very very much the mantra to treat Clinton supporters well.

I have been part of Obama Rapid Response for five months, and we, at least, among Obama supporters have made extreme attempts to play clean and keep the party together.  I have seen a number of vociferous Obama supporters using overly strong terms (I've allowed myself to be goaded to there as well at times), but in the face of MyDD diaries filled with "Obambi yada yada" it isn't entirely unexpected.  No excuses for ever losing my own cool, but at the very least she has always been "Sen. Clinton" in everything I write.

The question for Dems right now is whether they agree with Obama and Clinton or with Bush and McCain.  Simple question, and a simple call to action.

Best to all.

-chris blask

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Unfortunately for ol' Teddy (5.00 / 1) (#59)
by txpolitico67 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:16:58 PM EST
the state of Massachusetts disagrees with him.  Has he not picked up a hometown paper or turned on the news in MA?

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I rarely if ever use the (5.00 / 1) (#101)
by ruffian on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:35:43 PM EST
Oh.My.God  construct, but

Oh. My. God.  

and I'll add:

Wow. Just...wow.

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