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Susan Faludi has an interesting (5.00 / 4) (#6)
by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:12:20 AM EST
view on why men who formerly would never have voted for Clinton are doing so now:

FALUDI

The op-ed doesn't center on Obama's race; Faludi opines Clinton coming out as a fighter attracted men's votes.
 

Oh yes, that's obvious. I talk to (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by MarkL on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:16:14 AM EST
many Republicans who say they admire exactly that about her. The most common word used to describe Obama is p*ssy, or some variant.

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Decency (none / 0) (#81)
by joanneleon on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:44:58 AM EST
I think it's wrong and disrespectful to even repeat things like that.   It's not fair game.  I don't like it when people use terms like that against Hillary and I don't like it when they're used against Obama either.

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Fine. He's a wimp. (none / 0) (#86)
by MarkL on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:46:15 AM EST


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A great piece (5.00 / 8) (#18)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:16:41 AM EST
Clinton has become a great candidate.

While the Media will ALWAYS hate her and she has her baggage, as a candidate she is fantastic now.

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It's amazed me how she's transformed herself (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by andgarden on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:18:12 AM EST
If Clinton a year ago had been able to campaign like this, I suspect she would have been unbeatable.

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sadly for her (none / 0) (#30)
by Salo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:22:02 AM EST
she had Penn. She also had her surrogates make Populism a dirty word because Edwards cornered that political market.

I will always wonder why she went easy on Obama in Iowa.  she must have had the Wright tapes.

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Against any other candidate (5.00 / 2) (#37)
by andgarden on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:25:13 AM EST
she could have recovered from Iowa. Indeed, she would have done so with overwhelming support from African Americans on Super Tuesday.

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Iowa, where I grew up, is a mystery (5.00 / 1) (#54)
by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:34:53 AM EST
to me.  I would not have predicted Obama had much of a chance in the caucuses, due to the extremely small percentage of minorities in IA, and how little that has changed since I lived there.

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IL (5.00 / 1) (#58)
by Emma on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:38:05 AM EST
Illinois is right next door to IA.  IA  holds caucuses with same day registration.  Busloads of college students coming over the IL border to caucus.

Mystery solved.

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I thought that rumor had been disproved. (none / 0) (#62)
by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:39:04 AM EST


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The Kucinich effect (none / 0) (#64)
by madamab on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:39:20 AM EST
did something, I think. Remember that it was very close among all three candidates.

I lost all guilt for not supporting DK when he suggested his votes should go to Obama in Iowa.

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I agree. Her loyalty to Penn failed her (none / 0) (#91)
by stefystef on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:49:01 AM EST
as has her loyalty to so many people who are abandoning her.  These fair-weather friends will not be rewarded for their betrayals, especially Richardson.  

I hope Hillary remembers all those who turned their back on her.  God don't like ugly.  And this General Election is going to get ugly, for sure.

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Good thing the Clinton machine (none / 0) (#148)
by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:34:24 PM EST
is kaput, per CW.  No payback.

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correct (none / 0) (#40)
by Capt Howdy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:29:01 AM EST
she will be back in 2012

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You keep saying that. I think she (none / 0) (#65)
by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:39:37 AM EST
may concentrate on raising and disbursing Clinton Foundation funds.

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do kid yourself (none / 0) (#75)
by Capt Howdy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:43:54 AM EST
Hillary was born to be the first female president.

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Ha. You aren't on her payroll now, (none / 0) (#82)
by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:45:28 AM EST
are you?

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I would love to be on her payroll. (none / 0) (#85)
by Capt Howdy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:46:12 AM EST
maybe you could send her an email suggesting that

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Hey, I'm not that big a donor. (none / 0) (#87)
by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:47:09 AM EST


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oops (none / 0) (#83)
by Capt Howdy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:45:30 AM EST
DONT kid yourself
damn fingers

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Agreed. (none / 0) (#121)
by Same As It Ever Was on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:27:47 PM EST
Would that she had better people around her, she would have coasted to the nomination.  I must say that I would have enjoyed watching her gut McCain.

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I don't think (none / 0) (#151)
by kenoshaMarge on Fri May 09, 2008 at 01:47:39 PM EST
having better people around her would have helped enough. Not with the media solidly hating her and fawning over Obama.

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I have a die-hard Republican (5.00 / 2) (#43)
by txpolitico67 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:30:08 AM EST
uncle:  southern Baptist, ultra-conservative, and he said he would vote for Hillary because her "spirit and fighter attitude".  Interesting why that works for that segment of the voting population but it does.

I say if HRC can turn Scaife she can turn anyone. I will repeat what Ann Coulter (choke*gasp!) says:  The MSM is trying to pick our candidates-they picked McCain, and now they are trying to pick Obama.

Glad Hillary ain't havin' it!

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Amazing piece (5.00 / 5) (#55)
by davnee on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:36:06 AM EST
I canvassed last weekend, and I can't even begin to tell you how many men (many R's and the rest blue collars) commented on her guts and toughness.  It's sad really that the calendar played out for her so poorly.  If KY, for instance, came before NC, then I think we'd witness an entirely different end to this race.  Then again, if MI and FL hadn't been taken from her for reasons not her fault, she may never have discovered her inner pugilist and her ability to woo white men would have never materialized.  So the calendar is a mixed bag when it comes to my lament.

I will tell you this, though, I believe with utter conviction now that Clinton would win the GE easily.  Her one weakness, white men, has now been dealt with sufficiently to make her more than viable. And would sufficiently compensate for any blowback in the AA community.   And her Republican detractors have been sufficiently blunted too by the respect she's earned in the last months, to have much of their anti-Clinton mischief-making tamped down.  And given the direction of the economy and the turns of this campaign, her freshly discovered populism is the pitch-perfect theme for the GE, not the hope-a-dope Obama's peddling.  But it all came too late.  Now we are stuck with the candidate that peaked too early instead of the candidate that is peaking right now.  And to rub the ultimate salt in the wound, we aren't just going to be running the weaker candidate, we're going to be running the lesser candidate when it comes to the ability to be a good and effective POTUS.

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Yes, Clinton would win easily (5.00 / 5) (#94)
by Davidson on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:51:06 AM EST
The woman is a remarkable candidate in her own right and with the economy tanking the way it is, she would clean up in November (Her national security creds would block any October surprise effect, as well).  She would have serious coattails--especially as a woman.

This is insane: we have a quite strong bet on recapturing the White House, shifting the political paradigm to the left with vigorous progressivism, greatly expanding the Democratic party on a national level, and a competent, hardworking president and yet we're spurning it all out of a misogynistic impulse.  Honestly, Obama is not even in the same league as Clinton--on any level, including character--so it makes gender all the more glaringly obvious as the determining issue here, with class and Clinton hate thrown in for good measure.

I truly am in shock at how messed up we are as a country with regards to anti-female intolerance and hate.  What an eye opener this has been (I can't even watch Stewart or Colbert anymore).

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Awesome (5.00 / 1) (#68)
by txpolitico67 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:40:30 AM EST
op-ed piece.  I love how she doesn't even MENTION BHO.  As a salesperson, you rarely if ever refer to your competition or say its name.

I love that Hillary will NOT back down or be withering.  

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I overheard a conversation this morning (5.00 / 1) (#110)
by ruffian on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:07:22 PM EST
in the next cubicle about exactly that.  3 male engineers, confirmed Republicans, sincerely admiring Hillary's tenacity and saying that if she was tough enough and a good enough politican to get the SDs to pick her over Obama, she would get their vote over McCain.

Of course I'll never know if they actually would do that, but I would not be surprised. They are not McCain fans.  

It just shows the admiration she is getting from people in all walks of life.

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Anything worth having is worth (none / 0) (#106)
by Radix on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:03:10 PM EST
fighting for. We've all heard that saying before. I've always suspected that much of the Republican success is based on that saying. Many look at their willings to go toe to toe and think to themselves, there must be something there to justify that level of commitment.

Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

Don Henley-The Garden of Allah

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