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Clinton May Have Lost, But Sexism Remains Rampant | 199 comments (199 topical)
boy this victory lap they are taking.... (5.00 / 6) (#5)
by Maria Garcia on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:46:53 AM EST
...around the net is quite a thing to behold, isn't it? You know what, I think that the reason that Obama has a certain affinity for Ronald Reagan is that he is a bit like Reagan himself. He makes his supporters feel like they are special, just the way they are. They don't need to change, everyone else does.

As evidence by the fawning, bowing, and (5.00 / 4) (#18)
by oculus on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:49:54 AM EST
scraping in the House of Representatives yesterday.  

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BIngo. (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by Fabian on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:51:43 AM EST
If that's what takes to get into their club, I don't want to join.

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If he's already won (5.00 / 4) (#64)
by Kathy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:06:01 PM EST
then why is it that he's not the winner?

I mean-seriously.  Have you seen the latest polls for WVA and KY?  

She's going to close the delegate gap pretty swiftly.  If she gets to within a hundred, and gets the popular vote lead, then what?

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I Keep Asking That Same Question...They Have (5.00 / 3) (#79)
by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:08:27 PM EST
this false bravado while they are cowering inside, because at some level they must know their guy doesn't have it in the bag.  There has to be at least a few smart supporters on the obama side that can figure this out.

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Exactly Kathy (5.00 / 1) (#208)
by angie on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:43:08 PM EST
please stop buying the meme people -- GOTV in WV.

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obama, the audacity of hope, change and (5.00 / 5) (#70)
by PssttCmere08 on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:06:44 PM EST
kumbaya, has some of the most vicious supporters I have ever come across.  He revels in the fact that he never has to get his hands dirty, when he has so many lemmings that will do it for him.  I do not trust this guy one whit.

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I went to the websites yesterday. (5.00 / 6) (#107)
by Fabian on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:15:02 PM EST
Compared these two pages.  
Hillary's blew me away
compared to Obama's.

I was specifically looking for Women's Issues.  Neither site lists that specific phrase.  Hillary's lists nice broad, cohesive policies.  Obama's lists a laundry list of Issues - including children, seniors, the disabled but not women.  Obama's reads like a lists of "special interests" while Hillary's reads like a list of "common concerns".

Points to whoever created Clinton's website.  Great job!  Obama?  Not so much.  And for the long laundry list of Issues, I still can't believe he (his advisors) included so many but still managed to leave out Women.

I do encourage people to look for themselves.  It was very interesting.  (Should I check out McCain?)

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Here is McCain (5.00 / 1) (#150)
by waldenpond on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:25:00 PM EST
From his website:

John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench. Constitutional balance would be restored by the reversal of Roe v. Wade, returning the abortion question to the individual states. The difficult issue of abortion should not be decided by judicial fiat.

However, the reversal of Roe v. Wade represents only one step in the long path toward ending abortion. Once the question is returned to the states, the fight for life will be one of courage and compassion - the courage of a pregnant mother to bring her child into the world and the compassion of civil society to meet her needs and those of her newborn baby. The pro-life movement has done tremendous work in building and reinforcing the infrastructure of civil society by strengthening faith-based, community, and neighborhood organizations that provide critical services to pregnant mothers in need.

Code language... services to pregnant mothers means 'we care about your health in the womb, once your born... eh, not so much.  Pull yourselves up by your bootstraps.'  

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Really? "Psycho ex-girlfriend" is more (5.00 / 2) (#143)
by so tired on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:23:01 PM EST
vicious than "Thug Politics" which is the current top post at Hillaryis44? Regardless of whether you agree with the substantive portion of that post, "thug" is code  for "dangerous black man."

Besides, in the piece that sparked the outrage, the theoretical ex-boyfriend left Hillary for Obama, so the gender politics at play are a little more complicated than "we don't take women seriously." Really the message is "poorly written comedy pieces based on metaphors that can't support the premise aren't funny." I could rally behind that. But "vicious" is giving it more power than it deserves.

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You joined to say (5.00 / 5) (#164)
by waldenpond on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:28:04 PM EST
"dangerous black man."?  I can feel the unity now. We've been told we are racist so many times it has no effect, in fact, it is tiring.

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Well, I didn't call anyone racist (none / 0) (#223)
by so tired on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:53:28 PM EST
I said one person who wrote one post on a completely different blog used an inflammatory word. I try not to make globalizing statements like the one you're suggesting I made as I find it counterproductive, logically unsound, and kind of mean. If anyone here took it as a shot at Clinton herself or her supporters across the board or even at the person who wrote that post on Hillaryis44 (this is an important distinction to me; I take umbrage with the word choice and the post but I would never suggest that I'm in a position to judge the person behind it), I apologize.

My point: supporters of neither candidate are blameless in the truly awful tone of this campaign. Focusing on the negativity accomplishes nothing. Focusing on it selectively and angrily accomplishes worse than nothing.

Incidentally I didn't register to say "dangerous black man" -- I registered last night after months of lurking just in case I ever felt moved to speak. I didn't think the spirit would get to me so fast, but hey, it's lively here.

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gimme a break (5.00 / 3) (#203)
by moll on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:40:40 PM EST
Regardless of whether you agree with the substantive portion of that post, "thug" is code  for "dangerous black man."

Thug isn't a racially coded word.

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I Guess My Eyesight Has Deteriorated More (5.00 / 4) (#220)
by MO Blue on Fri May 09, 2008 at 12:51:00 PM EST
than I thought. I never realized that Bush's more obnoxious and threatening supporters were"dangerous black men." I have been calling them thugs for 7+ years.

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Clinton May Have Lost, But Sexism Remains Rampant | 199 comments (199 topical)

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