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by Stellaaa on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:09:29 AM EST
Will not work
In terms of the 'Iron Law of Institutions', the Obama campaign is masterful.  From top to bottom, they have destroyed their opponents within the party, stolen out from under them their base, and persuaded a whole set of individuals from blog readers to people in the pews to ignore intermediaries and believe in Barack as a pure vessel of change

Stoller and the other members of the cult, are in glee for the destruction of the opponents.  

Sounds like somebody is still a preclear ; ) (5.00 / 2) (#39)
by Exeter on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:26:35 AM EST


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Stellaaa - source? iron law of institutions? (none / 0) (#84)
by noholib on Fri May 09, 2008 at 09:45:51 AM EST
what's the source please of this quote?


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source is Stoller @ Huffington (5.00 / 2) (#127)
by sarany on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:14:13 AM EST
Matt Stoller writing at Huffington yesterday:

link to Huff entry

I find this thinking frightening.  If this revolution hinges upon Obama as personality, we could be in for real trouble.  What if Obama begins to believe in his own hype?  How will he take care that he doesn't?  It's all too easy to dismiss the non-belief of non-believers as proof they are _______  (fill in the blank with your own experience of how Obama supporters, surrogates & pundits have dismissed and written off a huge number of Dem base supporters).

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one pull quote (5.00 / 2) (#138)
by sarany on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:20:17 AM EST
I would amplify this and point out that it's time to get ready for a party that is being taken apart and rebuilt as the Obama movement.

ugh. I'm afraid I need to stop reading the blogs so I can do more than just VOTE for Obama.  It would be nice to feel good about him as our candidate, and WANT to work for him, talk him up and so forth.

But I need a little break from the worshipful tone and the cavalier dismissal of longtime strong & passionate Dems.

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The Roman emperors (none / 0) (#177)
by Salo on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:54:17 AM EST
FDR Lincoln all had cults one way or another.

JFK is clearly an imperial cult.

Reagan certainly is.

We have just ended the Clinton Cult years.

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are you kidding me? (5.00 / 1) (#216)
by janarchy on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:35:21 AM EST
I've have never heard anyone talk about FDR, JFK or WJC in the same slavish, cultish tones that I've heard in reference to BHO. No one I know (including my relatives who were all alive and well during the FDR years) thought he could walk on water, heal the sick, raise the dead or just fix everything because he was, yanno, FDR.

I lived through the Reagan years and while I did have friends who were enamoured with him to the point of getting glassy-eyed and nuts, nothing ever reached the fever pitch that is the Cult of Obama. Nothing.

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don't put cult in my mouth (5.00 / 2) (#221)
by sarany on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:40:11 AM EST
I was never ever the least little bit cult-blinded about Bill. Not when he was running, not when he was in office. I was pretty darn disappointed by his policies and his self- (and Dem party) destructive behaviors.  And believe me when I say that I am not wearing blinders about Hilary either.

Bill, maybe, gets some adulation from masses of people. Not Hilary, not never.

I've seen them both in person, and I can see his appeal.  She's good, she's really good, but he has got Charisma with a capital "C."

However, there is NO comparison to make between what we are seeing with Obama and anything I've experienced, other than maybe, The Beatles or a religious leader.

And, while I could be wrong, could be overreacting, I am really concerned.

Show me a leader that allows him/herself to be so focused upon, so adored, and basks in it as I perceive Obama does, and I see (potential) dangers.  I hope he knows enough to keep a grip on who he is, and who is isn't. In a situation like this, we have to rely on him to keep checking reality.

The best thing about this Primary, at least I hope, is that Obama can honestly begin to claim to have EARNED the nomination, whereas it was looking like an easy stroll a couple months back. And that would be bad prep for the GE and bad for the sense that he was annointed.

He needs to get a grip on his supporters, surrogates, stop basking and earn our respect and support. I want to see hard work, the courage to fight, state his convictions and stand by them.

If he wants to win by more than a slim margin, or avoid LOSING by a slim margin, he'd better get my strong support, and as many of Hilary's supporters as he can manage.  He's got work to do and he'd better get over himself and get to it.

And he'd better call his supporters to heel before they do any more damage.

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Obama long ago (5.00 / 1) (#174)
by gyrfalcon on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:53:18 AM EST
fell for his own hype.  Are you kidding?


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