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Ed Kilgore For The Unity Ticket | 221 comments (221 topical)
Yes (5.00 / 10) (#32)
by Emma on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:28:01 PM EST
I think you're right.  Asking the more qualified woman to take second fiddle while the less qualified man is promoted over her -- it sticks in the craw.

The question asked to every woman who's ever complained about the younger, less experienced, less qualified man promoted over her:  "Do you think you're entitled to a promotion?"

Don't underestimate how many women "of a certain age" have lived through this more than once.

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If Hillary were to accept the VP (5.00 / 5) (#93)
by Boston Boomer on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:41:13 PM EST
under Obama, I would lose a lot of respect for her.  I would not vote for Obama even if Hillary is on the ticket as VP.  If Hillary were on the top of the ticket with Obama as VP, I'd vote for them, but with a heavy heart.  I'm afraid the ticket would not win with Obama weighing it down.


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how do you think (none / 0) (#129)
by leftygogo on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:48:49 PM EST
Hillary would win over Obama's supporters?

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if she ironed his shirts (5.00 / 3) (#134)
by Stellaaa on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:50:11 PM EST


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I think Stella was making a joke (5.00 / 1) (#204)
by leftygogo on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:08:29 PM EST
Everyone knows Hillary would curb stomp any man dumb enough to drop a load of wrinkled shirts on her desk.

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Why are you so confrontationaL (none / 0) (#150)
by independent voter on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:53:53 PM EST
today? I am immune to you being a Clinton partisan, but the comments are truly coming across as spiteful this evening. You are better than this.

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Maybe an astro-troll wore on her last nerve ... (4.20 / 5) (#210)
by Ellie on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:11:36 PM EST
... or the sheer time-wasting factor of Team Obama's other transparently idiotic super genius strategies made her [grouchy, problematic, angry, bitter, clingy and say "I I I" instead of "we we we"].

Could be a bad period or a hot flash though.

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so just so I am (none / 0) (#158)
by TruthMatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:56:04 PM EST
aware how was this NOT a sexist comment?

in fact you made a sexist comment while trying to attack Obama supporters as being sexist.

just wow.

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I am confident (5.00 / 2) (#224)
by echinopsia on Thu May 08, 2008 at 07:48:38 PM EST
she will get his votes if she's the nominee. It's not clear he would get the votes she got if he were the nominee.

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{raises hand} along with being told . . . (5.00 / 4) (#99)
by nycstray on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:42:25 PM EST
I make a fine salary for a woman . . .

heh, we've come a long way baby . . . .

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Wasn't LBJ more (5.00 / 1) (#102)
by IndiDemGirl on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:43:54 PM EST
experienced than JFK?  Obama is getting "promoted" over her.  He has won the nomination  - or will.  At that time, asking her to be VP is not an insult.  It is a sign of respect for an strong campaigner.

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JFK and LBJ were both men . . . (5.00 / 4) (#137)
by Palomino on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:50:43 PM EST
. . . so your analogy ignores the crucial aspect of sexism, that is, misogyny, that is, socially sanctioned, institutionally perpetuated, psychotic hatred of women, with all that this attitude implies.

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There is a contest and (none / 0) (#207)
by IndiDemGirl on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:09:17 PM EST
one candidate wins.  The 2nd place candidate is a damn good candidate with strong supporters.  Winning candidate should offer position to 2nd place candidate.  That could/should  happen no matter what gender the candidates were.

So if HRC was a man it would be OK for Obama to offer him the vp slot?  

TO me it is sexist to NOT OFFER her the slot.

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LBJ (5.00 / 2) (#178)
by Emma on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:59:46 PM EST
also got 409 delegates on the first and only ballot at the Democratic Convention in 1960.  He wasn't competitive against Kennedy like Clinton is against Obama.  And he wasn't offered the VP until after he lost the race fair and square. Let me emphasize the fair and square part.

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BTD opened the discussion (none / 0) (#193)
by IndiDemGirl on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:04:40 PM EST
about the unity ticket.  Are you suggesting he is also against the "fair and square" argument?  

But let's just say it is an entirely hypothetical argument.  In that case if Obama gets the nomination, I think it would be wise to offer the nomination to HRC.  

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Actually, yes, but (none / 0) (#160)
by JavaCityPal on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:56:21 PM EST
as I remember it, LBJ resented JFK tremendously.

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Yep, but he stepped up to the (5.00 / 2) (#176)
by IndiDemGirl on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:59:27 PM EST
plate like an adult and did what the party needed. JFK wasn't a big fan of LBJs either, but he did what was necessary.  It's time for both sides to do the same now.

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yeah, problem is that BO is no JFK. (5.00 / 4) (#191)
by kangeroo on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:03:57 PM EST
not in a million years, not by a longshot.  wishful thinking won't make him so.  that's why the analogy doesn't fit.

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Um. (none / 0) (#172)
by ChiTownDenny on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:58:57 PM EST
Didn't JFK have significantly more national experience that BHO, sexism aside?

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My point is NOT to compare (5.00 / 1) (#186)
by IndiDemGirl on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:01:53 PM EST
Obama with JFK, but was to give one example of cases where the traditionallly experienced candidate was the VP.  And couldn't you make an argument that Al Gore was more experienced in Washington wasys then was Bill Clinton?  

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OK. (5.00 / 2) (#206)
by ChiTownDenny on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:09:03 PM EST
If the traditionally experienced candidate may have been the VP, what about the "no experience" candidate?  He should be the Pres?

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This reminds me so much of Texas (5.00 / 3) (#192)
by DJ on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:03:59 PM EST
when Ann Richards who had done so much for us was kicked out for the good ole boy who did nothing for us.  Unqualified man over fantastically qualified woman.  Makes me mad, makes me sad.

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This isn't a gender issue. (1.50 / 2) (#138)
by 1jpb on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:51:01 PM EST
Just as Wright needs to know that not everything is a race issue, many HRC supporters need to know that not everything is a gender issue.

For one thing, BO is a more successful legislator in DC on big issues that affect the entire country or world such as being the lead D on online gov spending accountability and expanding international arms control, or being one of the two lead Ds on the biggest ethics reform in 25 years.  And, BO has proven to be better at managing a campaign, which is the biggest management challenge that BO or HRC (or McCain) have ever taken on and lead.  And, BO is self made, HRC had a huge head start because she inherited the political apparatus of the most recent D president.

Secondly, even if you (unlike me) think that HRC is somehow more accomplished as a leader: it is undeniable that Dick was much more accomplished than George, and Dick wasn't made the VP because he's a woman.

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No he's not (5.00 / 5) (#154)
by cmugirl on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:54:43 PM EST
But you've said this, like 100 times today.

It's been shown over and over that your statement is not true, both on this blog and other places out there.

Please let it go,

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Are you reading everything? (5.00 / 3) (#175)
by JavaCityPal on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:59:23 PM EST
Very little of the posts in favor of Hillary address gender either explicitly or implicitly. She is simply the better candidate on all levels.

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see Parent to my comment. n/t (none / 0) (#181)
by 1jpb on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:00:58 PM EST


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Half of what you say is not true and the other (none / 0) (#198)
by Florida Resident on Thu May 08, 2008 at 06:05:11 PM EST
half is your opinion.  They have similar voting records so how can he have a more solid record on things that matter?

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Ed Kilgore For The Unity Ticket | 221 comments (221 topical)

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