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There really isnt anything to debate (none / 0) (#21)
by jondee on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:05:46 AM EST
could've been the Mississippi state motto in regard to defendants like Corey Maye on many occasions.

Not that that recurring phenomenon has any bearing on how this case played out.

Plus, regardless of extenuating circumstances, supporters of Mr. Maye should be reminded that he didnt just kill a human being, he killed a sacred bull from the temple of Shiva: someone (anyone) always has to pay for that. Especially in places like Mississippi.

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The killing (none / 0) (#22)
by Patrick on Fri May 09, 2008 at 10:29:33 AM EST
of a cop is more serious.  That is part of the protections officers get for taking that job.   What we have here, which is undisputed, is that Maye picked up a gun and shot at someone he didn't take the time to identify.   Had a cop done that same thing, for same reasons Radley Balko claims Maye did it, he'd be calling for that cop's head.  But see it's different somehow.   Oh I know, the dirty drug war, and that's why Radley has to overlook the obvious hypocracy in his position.  

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Actually, (none / 0) (#23)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri May 09, 2008 at 11:26:34 AM EST
What we have here, which is undisputed, is that Maye picked up a gun and shot at someone he didn't take the time to identify.  
I'm not sure he was not sure who he was shooting at.

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What I was (none / 0) (#26)
by Patrick on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:07:00 PM EST
trying to convey was the point that even if we took Balko's version of events at face value, (Something I don't think is even remotely close to the truth of the matter) at a minimum we have a person shooting without taking the time to figure out if the person they were shooting at was a danger to them.   If a cop did that, he would be prosecuted and Radley would be leading the charge.    

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Actually... (none / 0) (#24)
by Radley Balko on Fri May 09, 2008 at 03:52:29 PM EST
...it's the law that imposes the double standard, not me.  Police who mistakenly kill people in these raids get enormous leeway (see cops who've gotten off after mistaking remote controls, cubs, a t-shirt, and the glint off a wristwatch, respectively, for guns, and killed unarmed people).  

Prosecutors say these raids are volatile and dangerous, so they defer to the officers' judgment.  So why is it that trained officers who have the advantage of being the aggressors in these raids are allowed mistakes in judgments, but they people whose homes they're invading, whom they're waking up in the middle of the night, whom they're deliberately taking by surprise--don't get the same deference?

Last year a North Carolina cop mistook the sound of a battering ram for a gun, and wrongly shot through the door of a home they were raiding, killing Peyton Strickland, an unarmed college student.  He wasn't charged.  Meanwhile, they're trying to press murder charges against Ryan Frederick in Chesapeake, Virginia for mistaking raiding officers for criminals, and shooting through the door and killing Det. Jarrod Shivers as they were trying to take down Frederick's door.  Frederick had no criminal record, and a misdemeanor amount of pot in his house.

Why is it, Patrick, that cops can make mistakes that kill civilians with no charges, but civilians who are awoken to the terror of armed men barging into their homes who understandably mistake them for criminals get the book thrown at them?

And why is it "different" when someone kills a cop?  Are cops' lives worth more than regular people's lives?

Is your life worth more than mine, Patrick?

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Radley (none / 0) (#25)
by Patrick on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:04:33 PM EST
I think my life worth more than yours to me, but then all I know of you is these debates.  

As for your other question about why cops get more protections and perhaps the benfit of the doubt in more cases than the average person, well if you need my help figuring that out, you don't deserve to call yourself a journalist.  Nothing I can say will help you understand why.  I'm also harldy the person you're going to listen to with an open mind.  

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