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Why Did Obama Do Worse in N.C. Than Virginia? | 228 comments (228 topical)
Oh, I just love (5.00 / 1) (#228)
by lilburro on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:01:30 PM EST
being spoken to as an adult.  Heaven knows Hillary doesn't speak to me as an adult.  Why, she expects me to keep track of funds I've never heard of, of the structure of her plans!  She wants to expand my vocabulary to include words like "mandate"!  

Having an adult conversation means including the people you're talking about.  Which Obama didn't exactly do when badmouthing the working class in front of SF royalty.  

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Is there something wrong with SF? (none / 0) (#232)
by debrazza on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:05:41 PM EST
I think if we want to rid the old "San Francisco Liberal" canard, we should not believe that ourselves.  As somone who lived in the Bay Area for many years, I will tell you that I don't think there is much at all "liberal" about San Francisco.  Unless you think a gross disregard for a massive homeless population while simultaneously being the home to some of the richest people on the planet "liberal".  There is nothing "liberal" about the inequities of wealth in that city.

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Hmm, one sec. (5.00 / 2) (#243)
by lilburro on Wed May 07, 2008 at 08:23:21 PM EST
Did I write the word "liberal" anywhere in my comment above?  No, I did not.  SF I'm sure has problems that belie its pop culture image, but there's no changing the fact that Obama said his bitter comments in front of a **wealthy** (from your POV, unrepresentative) audience, in San Francisco.  What you're saying, IMO, underlines the problem in Obama's comments - SF isn't all wealthy+liberal people, though that is who Obama stood in front of when characterizing the small town PA voters (in other words, when he chose to represent them to the SF fundraisers).  We don't know the real SF.  Well, Obama doesn't know "the real" PA.  And perhaps, we don't know the real Obama.  But it's hard to trust the gross generalizations of a Pres. candidate hobnobbing with his rich fundraisers in SF.

Obama may've gained a little cred in opposing the gas tax holiday.  But he's demonstrated at best a great tone-deafness towards the enduring class issues of our society and the language we use to describe them (ex. unions = special interest groups).  If the Dem party is to stay on the right side of socio-economic issues, it needs to maintain a respect for the hardships of our workers past, present, and future.  Presenting these people as disposable doesn't cut it for me.  Search through the exit polls; across the country there are plenty of white working class voters plugged into the Dem Party, apparently not yet clinging.  We should be able to keep these people in the GE.  

SF still has a certain cachet, as does say, Seattle.

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Why Did Obama Do Worse in N.C. Than Virginia? | 228 comments (228 topical)

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