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What Clinton Should Do | 237 comments (237 topical)
On the Unity thing (5.00 / 2) (#19)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:09:58 AM EST
If Clnton does not want the VP, but wants to call a shot on it, I am not averse to General Clark as the running mate.

But would women accept this? Would Obama accept this?

I Don't Want Clinton Anywhere Near (5.00 / 11) (#36)
by BDB on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:14:10 AM EST
an Obama led ticket.  Not after the smears and sexist dogwhistles from Obama himself and his supporters.

So, yes, I would embrace General Clark or any other white guy as a nominee.  Just spare me having to listen to how Hillary lost Obama the White House by dragging his ticket down all through 2009.

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Couldn't agree with you more, BDB (5.00 / 2) (#157)
by bridget on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:37:36 AM EST
I also don't Want Clinton Anywhere Near an Obama led ticket.

If he gets the nom I could care less who gets the VP position. IMO One thing is for sure. It's not ever going to be Edwards or Richardson who (I bet a fortune would not say no but will never be asked) ... but very likely a Republican. That wouldn't surprise me at all. Bet he has a Repub VP short list while we type.

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sexist dogwhistles? (none / 0) (#130)
by independent thinker on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:31:43 AM EST
What sexist dogwhistles has Obama personally made?

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periodically, when she's feeling down... (5.00 / 1) (#151)
by Nasarius on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:35:33 AM EST
Remember?

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and... (5.00 / 1) (#168)
by otherlisa on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:39:43 AM EST
the claws come out.

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"You're likeable enough" (5.00 / 10) (#202)
by lambert on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:47:32 AM EST
More importantly -- I think for many of us crucially -- the behavior the Obama supporters online has been absolutely vile. If you'd hung out at Daily Kos before it was purged of Hillary supporters, you'd know. Sexist language, sexist slurs, and everything that the Republicans threw at the Clintons during the impeachment.

Now, there are rational, nice Obama supporters out there. But they did nothing to rein this behavior in, nor did have the Obama online operatives.

Since they do nothing, they're leveraging it.

The online behavior of Obama supporters was one reason I had to go with Hillary -- I couldn't reward that.

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Would Clark accept this? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
by madamab on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:15:47 AM EST
He's a Clintonite, pretty die-hard.

And I don't care who Obama's VP is if it's not Clinton. The only way he's getting my vote now is if she's his VP.

I'm done with him.

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Win-Win for Clark (none / 0) (#72)
by BDB on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:20:31 AM EST
If Obama flames out as many close to Clinton expect, he's positioned well for 2012.  

If the anti-Republican sentiment propels Obama into office, he gets to be Vice President.  

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Actually (none / 0) (#101)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:25:57 AM EST
I was thinking something different.

From Clinton's perspective, she does not create a rival for 2012, just in case.

If they win, she won't be running in 2016 anyway.

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Frankly, (5.00 / 1) (#127)
by andgarden on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:30:27 AM EST
I'm sure that Tom Daschle is waiting to make his move. (UGH!)

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ewww (5.00 / 1) (#173)
by Faust on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:41:33 AM EST
as vp?

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Unacceptable (5.00 / 2) (#189)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:44:04 AM EST


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Good Point (none / 0) (#118)
by BDB on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:28:26 AM EST
Clinton can decide whether to run or not and Clark would be positioned to run if she didn't or to be her running mate if she did.

I like Wes Clark a lot.  He worked his butt off for Hillary in NH.

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Also if Obama Does Win (5.00 / 3) (#123)
by BDB on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:29:31 AM EST
Clinton would have ties to the executive branch.  And she could be one of those democrats in Congress who make the democratic president crazy.  You know by insisting that his healthcare plan be universal and similar crazy things.

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please reconsider (none / 0) (#160)
by independent thinker on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:37:48 AM EST
Hi madamab,

I am pretty new here. I've been over at TPM and The CarpetBaggerReport for quite a while.

Please reconsider voting for Obama should he get the nomination. Seriously, a non-vote for Obama is a vote for McCain. I understand you feeling...heck, if the situation were reversed and Obama was in the position Clinton is now, I would probably feel much like you. But the reality is that a Dem in the White House far more valuable to us than McCain. Just think about possible SCOTUS nominees in a McCain administration.

The truth is Obama and Clinton are similar on most policy issues. Not identical, but certainly not so far apart. The time has come for unity in the party for the greater good of the nation.

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I don't know (5.00 / 8) (#184)
by otherlisa on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:43:10 AM EST
I really don't know if I can vote for him.

I don't know if you understand the depth of anger a lot of us feel towards Obama and his supporters (and his media enablers).

I know this is stupid, but the Jay-Z references really were the final straw for me. So blatantly disrespectful and childish.

Plus, I have no idea what it is Obama really cares about, beyond getting elected. Universal health care? Nope. The environment? Um, not so much.

He's a blank slate as far as I can determine.

At the very least, he and his team have some serious outreach to do. And I mean serious.

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Hi independent thinker! (5.00 / 2) (#208)
by madamab on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:48:53 AM EST
Well, this is the first time I've said what I've said tonight. I guess I've reached my limit with Obama at last. (It could be the allergy medicine talking, though.)

However, I do appreciate your non-confrontational tone when making your argument for Obama. Believe me, I've considered it quite seriously.

To be honest, I don't think my vote will make a difference in the GE in any case. I think Obama will lose because of Indys and Clinton Dems.

Obama needs to make his case with those voters, and he hasn't and doesn't seem to want to. We die-hard Dems could all vote for him and he'd still lose.

Just my opinion.

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No they aren't (4.85 / 7) (#171)
by tnjen on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:40:44 AM EST
their positions have never been similar. Obama is to the right. He entertains too many supply-side economic proposals and even the privatization of Social Security. If I want a Repub might as well vote for McCain because at least then Dems in congress will be obstructionists.

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Clark! (5.00 / 1) (#197)
by phat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:45:31 AM EST
That is the best thing I've heard all day.

A Wesley Clark VP nominee would make me me less sad.

phat

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Oh, that's good. I'll match your (none / 0) (#23)
by oculus on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:11:45 AM EST
war hero w/my General.  

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I tell you who is not acceptable (5.00 / 9) (#25)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:12:38 AM EST
Bill Richardson.

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Hear, hear! (5.00 / 2) (#33)
by andgarden on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:13:52 AM EST
He's a living, breathing, gaffe machine.

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Judas. (5.00 / 3) (#41)
by oculus on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:15:10 AM EST


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Indeed (5.00 / 1) (#49)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:15:57 AM EST
A slap in the face.

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What about Hagel? Bloomberg? (none / 0) (#30)
by MarkL on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:13:08 AM EST


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Unacceptable (5.00 / 3) (#37)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:14:13 AM EST


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To Obama? They are probably (5.00 / 5) (#57)
by MarkL on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:17:37 AM EST
in his top tier. Hell, he might choose Condi Rice.

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Obama if he gets nomination (5.00 / 5) (#60)
by Stellaaa on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:17:59 AM EST
will swing so far to the right that the people that made him will not recognize him.  He will go for the farthest right he can get.  

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I hear he'll turn into a werewolf, too. (5.00 / 1) (#96)
by Addison on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:25:03 AM EST


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Ahh... (none / 0) (#150)
by Thanin on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:35:32 AM EST
nice scare tactics you got going on there.

"vote for Senator Mccain and you'll get more of the Same." - Hillary Clinton
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what makes you feel this way? (none / 0) (#182)
by independent thinker on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:43:03 AM EST
Stellaaa,

What makes you feel this way? I mean, if we remove the tense, hard fought campaign from the equasion, aren't Obama and Clinton similar in most policy issues? There are some differences...healthcare, for instance, but on most issues they agree.

I just don't see any reason to believe Obama is going to suddenly jump to the far right.

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Hell, he's already half-way there (4.66 / 3) (#192)
by otherlisa on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:44:21 AM EST
Hanging out as he does with economic advisors who favor privatizing social security.

I already ranted about health care and the environment above, so I'll skip that here.

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Clark could work (none / 0) (#48)
by andgarden on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:15:51 AM EST
But I like my pitch for Ed Rendell.

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I was thinking if he picks a Clinton supporter (none / 0) (#70)
by magster on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:20:28 AM EST
it should be from PA or FL, like Rendell or Nelson or Wasserman Schulz maybe.


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Wasserman Schulz (none / 0) (#120)
by janarchy on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:29:09 AM EST
will not be on his ticket. She's from Florida and furious about their delegation not counting.

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Gen. Clark (none / 0) (#73)
by Dalton Hoffine on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:20:52 AM EST
Is a perfect VP choice for Obama. I don't know that he'd accept it though.

Other possibilities IMO:
Gov. Kaine
Gov. Easley
Fmr. Sen. Edwards
(maybe?) Gov. Sebelius

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He'd support it... (none / 0) (#92)
by Addison on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:24:27 AM EST
...if Hillary suspended her campaign. White. General. Southern. Deal. Lickity-split. Although not taking certain MI/FL deals makes me wonder about certain strategic weaknesses in the Obama campaign.

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Not Sebelius (none / 0) (#98)
by Dalton Hoffine on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:25:28 AM EST
Who's that female governor of Arizona, I think? Napolitano. Her. Sebelius is a horrible choice.

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clark is a poor (none / 0) (#164)
by sancho on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:39:19 AM EST
campaigner.

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What about Webb? (none / 0) (#193)
by independent thinker on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:44:26 AM EST
What about Webb?

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I also like Gov. Sebelius (none / 0) (#199)
by independent thinker on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:46:01 AM EST
I also like Gov. Sebelius and Richardson. Clark isn't a bad choice either.

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What women would there be? (none / 0) (#81)
by Addison on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:22:45 AM EST
Hillary Clinton is really exceptional because the political process up until now has simply not produced -- or allowed -- women candidates to reach that level. I don't see a Hillary-supported woman (besides herself) that's really in play for this sort of deal. That seems to be a stumbling block -- of our party's own making -- if there's a demand for a woman on the ticket.

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Oh, I'll do whatever (none / 0) (#106)
by waldenpond on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:26:17 AM EST
Clinton tells me to do.  pfffft.

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Clark... (none / 0) (#128)
by kredwyn on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:30:40 AM EST
or someone like him may be the only way he gets close to the WHouse.

He's already being defined by the Right in connection to those around him. Clark (or someone like him) may be able to take away some of the sting...

Though I'm not sure that it isn't already too late.

And Clark may not go for it.

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Clark was my preferred candidate (none / 0) (#179)
by rilkefan on Wed May 07, 2008 at 01:42:31 AM EST
Also, perhaps Clinton could work a deal - I'll suspend my campaign today if you agree to accept the FL/MI delegations tomorrow.

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