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This gave me the giggles (5.00 / 2) (#26)
by Cream City on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:16:46 AM EST
from that site: "Obama is unlikely to win the heart of Appalachia in the general election, but he may not need to if he can make up ground on its northern frontier. If he wins New York and Pennsylvania (he lost both in the primaries) and flip-flopping Ohio (another primary loss) he will be in good position."

Oh, that's all he has to do.  And it's a pro-Obama essay!

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Giggles and groans here... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by NWHiker on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:20:36 AM EST
That all: win three states that he couldn't win in the primary, flipping one of them from red to blue. Piece o' cake!

This is what got to me:
Clinton said in her victory speech on Tuesday night that no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without taking West Virginia. True. But they all could have won without it. The margins of victory in those races ranged from 23 to 515 electoral votes. West Virginia has five.

Iirc, if Al Gore had carried WV, we'd be talking about VP Lieberman's election campaign right 'bout now. (OK, fine, sometimes things aren't perfect... Hee).

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lol!~ Florida?! (5.00 / 2) (#41)
by nycstray on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:38:46 AM EST
The electoral votes of the other heavily Appalachian states could be offset. For instance, if he wins Virginia (where a corner sits in Appalachia and which seems to be in play although it hasn't swung Democratic in more than 40 years) and Florida (which almost swung -- or maybe did swing -- Democratic in 2000) . . .

Uh, have they forgotten that lil' issue down in the sunshine state? AKA, we kinda said they didn't count . . .

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Not to mention (5.00 / 1) (#43)
by IzikLA on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:41:46 AM EST
Lots of old people (McCain) and plenty of Latino's (McCain).

With Hillary running she could get those voters.

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And she was also down there on (none / 0) (#52)
by nycstray on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:56:02 AM EST
Primary night. She tried to keep up the good will instead of toss it aside. I think Obama has as many states under the bus as he does demographics at this point . . .

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Have they really thought of what they say (5.00 / 1) (#87)
by Florida Resident on Sat May 17, 2008 at 08:44:54 AM EST
before they speak?  Western Pa were I have lived is as Appalachia in heart as you can be specially about guns and religion.  And so is eastern Ohio outside the big cities.  Ergo his substantial losses in the primaries there.  Maybe they should look at the map a little better.  Or is it that they consider the vote in the heart of Appalachia is racist?   Don't think so I think is more divided along class and a perception of his being elitist, a problem IMO that extends beyond the Appalachia.

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This is another good quote, (none / 0) (#31)
by Stellaaa on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:23:43 AM EST
Obama has proclaimed "change" his mantra. That change may well be evident in the electoral map come fall. Appalachia is all American, but America is not all Appalachian.


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I have recently figured out (5.00 / 4) (#42)
by IzikLA on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:40:11 AM EST
That the "change" argument simply means that no one can question Obama or his electability with any amount of logic or reason, because with Obama, for some reason, everything is different and no case can be argued.

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Obama is creating his own reality (5.00 / 1) (#72)
by Josey on Sat May 17, 2008 at 06:52:16 AM EST
Hmm...where have I heard that before?

Obama "won" by focusing on undemocratic caucuses and red states with high delegate counts - and expects the Clintons to persuade Dems in FL, OH, PA, TX, WV, KY, etc to vote for Obama in the general.

Oh- and now we learn from Ed Gillespie, Bush's remarks weren't directed specifically to Obama or even Carter although Carter would be a better fit.
But Obama did what he accused Bush of doing - inserting politics into foreign policy. Obama used Bush's remarks to say, "Look at me! Look at me! I'm the Dem nominee!"

And Obama used Bush's words for a 2nd day news cycle to boost his "toughness" on foreign policy.
sheeeeesh


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Heh, have they checked NY's Republican history? (none / 0) (#37)
by nycstray on Sat May 17, 2008 at 12:34:47 AM EST
He's gonna have to win over Hillary Dems along with her Indies and Republicans. She won reelection with 67%. And we have lots of those demographics he avoids . . .

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I wrote him (none / 0) (#62)
by gyrfalcon on Sat May 17, 2008 at 01:25:36 AM EST
a nasty note...


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