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Obama Camp Not Interested In Unity | 149 comments (149 topical)
If Obama get the nomination this caveat (5.00 / 4) (#8)
by Saul on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:06:59 PM EST
My gut feeling lately is that Obama will not offer the VP to Hilary and this will be the biggest error Obama could  make.   That alone will wind the fires of more dissent to the Hilary supporters who would already be extremely  angry because she is not the nominee.  

Many of the pundits to include Hilary say they will be united for the GE if Obama is the nominee regardless of what Obama does or chooses as VP.  I honestly feel that this year is very different than any past nomination.  The divisions are so great and so entrenched that that division will continue very strongly in the GE and the party will not unite.  

I think Obama got the majority of the AA for only one reason and that is  because he is AA and not because of any hope or change that Obama preached in his campaign.   Not that J Jackson or Sharpton did not get a good deal of the  AA but compared to  Obama he got almost 100 percent. The main reason for this was that the AA saw that Obama was the strongest AA candidate ever since AA starting running for the presidency. The desire on the AA voters  to not let this one go down the drain is extremely high and the word was out to vote for this AA if you ever one to see an AA as president.

It is because of this very strong division that will not go away in the GE that makes me say   that  Obama could very well loose the GE because of this division.

Obama's judgment is at issue, again. (5.00 / 4) (#11)
by MarkL on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:08:25 PM EST
So many questionable judgments, and one good speech.

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I give him three good speeches now, (5.00 / 2) (#137)
by oculus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:30:24 PM EST
although the one in Federal Plaza is a re-do.

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Ted Strickland (5.00 / 2) (#23)
by ineedalife on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:15:47 PM EST
The article did say that Ted Strickland, Governor of Ohio and a staunch Hillary supporter, is getting serious consideration for VP. He may be able to deliver Ohio which could win the election for Obama I think.

I doubt Strickland could help Obama pull in Hillary voters in other states, that will fall to Hillary and Bill. But with Michelle going around saying she wants to claw their eyes out, I don't blame them if they go back to NY and just give token support.

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I hope this doesn't pan out (5.00 / 5) (#43)
by Munibond on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:30:37 PM EST
Ohio needs Strickland to continue as governor.  While he has been careful to cultivate the NRA, he is a true FDR populist, which would get him nowhere in an Obama administration.

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Clinton does have a job (5.00 / 3) (#195)
by waldenpond on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:01:09 PM EST
She is going to have to go back to the Senate and work for her state.  The other candidates haven't been out campaigning for Obama nor do I expect them to.  

If Obama refuses to have Clinton on the ticket because she is old politics and the Clinton era was bad for the country, he would refuse to have them campaign for him.

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Obama has painted himself (5.00 / 1) (#213)
by Benjamin3 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 02:40:57 PM EST
into a corner by frequently trashing Bill Clinton's legacy.  On the economy, being able to reference the expansion and jobs creation of the Clinton years would have helped him in a GE - but Obama is on record as saying that our current economic problems actually "began" during the Clinton Administration.  Even if not on the ticket, I could see HRC actively campaigning for him - but I don't think he would get that much help from Bill.

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if obama was what he seemed to be in (5.00 / 7) (#27)
by hellothere on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:17:31 PM EST
2004, i could well understand the aa community wanting to get behind him. but frankly at least part of this support and lack thereof for hillary has to do with race baiting. obama and axelrod had used this in a way i haven't seen in politics since southern politicans used it in the other direction. that was and should be condemned and so should what they did.

i have asked a number of times on blogs just what has obama actually done for the aa community and so far i don't have an answer. based on that why should anyone support him. he has a paper thin resume. he has some real baggage with his past associations. i don't think the so called party elders are so in love with the obama concept as they are with derailing the clintons. partisan, ugly, and totally useless to the american people.

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Obama (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by AnninCA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:19:59 PM EST
floating he would consider Hillary on the ticket is pandering.

Of course he wouldn't.

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yup i remember jackson's rainbow (5.00 / 3) (#42)
by hellothere on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:30:26 PM EST
campaign with fond memories compared to this ongoing nightmare.

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Me too. (5.00 / 7) (#63)
by Ga6thDem on Sat May 10, 2008 at 12:45:31 PM EST
I remember lots of working class whites really liked him because of his stance on issues. He even won MI in the primary.

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If Jackson ran against Hillary (1.14 / 7) (#85)
by Seth90212 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:00:55 PM EST
and beat her you'd be harder on him than you are on Obama. Of course you don't mind a token black candidate with no chance of winning.

By the way, it's this kind of statment that got Bill in trouble in SC.

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Accusing (5.00 / 3) (#91)
by Ga6thDem on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:04:04 PM EST
people of racism again I see?

Fact of the matter is that Obama will lose the general election but being black is the least of his worries. He has a lot worse problems than the color of his skin. However, since he has deemed that if it's him vs. McCain it's going to be black vs. white and that everyone who doesn't vote for him is a racist then he better be prepared for a shellacking that hasn't been seen in a presidential race in 20 years.

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What the hell are you talking about? (1.00 / 2) (#101)
by Seth90212 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:11:45 PM EST
I don't think you're responding to my post. If you want to make a ridiculous statement don't do so under my comment.

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Sorry Seth (5.00 / 6) (#114)
by blogtopus on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:19:14 PM EST
You got caught with your race bait hanging out. Tuck it back in and rejoin the reasonable discourse.

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Being accussed of racism, race-baiting or reverse (1.00 / 5) (#190)
by Seth90212 on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:58:11 PM EST
racism on this blog is a joke. You people have earned quite a reputation here. Submit some of these threads to independent, impartial analysis and they reek of the stuff you are falsely accusing me of doing. All because your preferred candidate is losing. Much of the mentality here (and the racism often demonstrated) offers a dramatic demonstration as to why a lot of righteous black intellectuals prefer conservatism and republicanism. There may actually be more respect and less racial animus in that camp than there is in the so-called liberal or progressive camp. Increasingly, I think AA's are discovering that conservatives may be more colorblind.

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Methinks (none / 0) (#130)
by magisterludi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:25:24 PM EST
you know exactly what he's talking about. Very transparent.

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please explain that comment. (none / 0) (#155)
by hellothere on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:37:54 PM EST


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I was replying to seth. (none / 0) (#163)
by magisterludi on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:43:29 PM EST
Sorry about the mix-up. ;-)

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Agreed (5.00 / 2) (#89)
by Jane in CA on Sat May 10, 2008 at 01:03:01 PM EST
>I honestly feel that this year is very different than any past nomination.  The divisions are so great and so entrenched that that division will continue very strongly in the GE and the party will not unite.<

Interestingly, Paul Krugman's column today deals with this very subject -- and he agrees with you. I was surprised that Krugman actually calls out the Obama campaign staff/supporters and the party leadership as well -- Krugman usually does not go there. He has become the only MSM columnist I read anymore, and the more I read him, the more I respect his intellect and his innate sense of decency.

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