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I wonder what this does to (5.00 / 5) (#45)
by Kathy on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:59:19 PM EST
BTD's Obama electability argument?  Even with the media's support, if half the base stays home, O hasn't got a chance.

I have been voting for dems since I was 17 (birthday voter), sat on my daddy's knee stuffing envelopes for Carter as governor and president, and have never missed an election, even when tookie little sales tax initiatives were on the ballot.  I can promise if Obama gets the top of the ticket, I will stay home.  I am in Georgia, an unalterably red state (though some Obama supporters foolishly think it might turn blue) so my vote won't matter, but it will matter to me.  I have stopped sending money to the party and I no longer consider myself a yellow dog.

O and his supporters have torn the party asunder.

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Pelosi (5.00 / 1) (#56)
by Tmo78759 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 04:52:52 PM EST
How is pledging to give more money to the Democratic Party divisive.    A group of donors threatened to take their money out of the party if the Speaker of the House of Representatives didn't do as they said.  In polite circles, that's called extortion.  These new and returning donors have only said that they will make up the difference AND increase party coffers.  Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't that what we want?  More money, more victories and control of the Congress and White House?

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What happens if O does not get the nom (5.00 / 2) (#57)
by Kathy on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 04:58:56 PM EST
Then where do those fair-weather dems go?  

I'm not sure I understand the logic of tossing away long-term, reliable dem supporters, but of course some seem to think so long as it benefits Obama in the short-term, it's good for all.

The problem these donors had (and the problem I have) is that someone high up in the leadership who could very well be called on to make an informed decision is implicitly choosing sides.

Like Gore, Pelosi should remain neutral.  She loses all credibility by not doing so.  It would have cost her nothing to remain quiet.  By opening her mouth, she could very well have lost more than many realize.

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Extortion? (5.00 / 1) (#64)
by dianem on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 05:29:33 PM EST
"We respect those voters and believe that they, like the voters in the states that have already participated, have a right to be heard. None of us should make declarative statements that diminish the importance of their voices and their votes. We are writing to say we believe your remarks on ABC News This Week on March 16th did just that."

You should not need to threaten the party with withholding funds in order to get them to give voter's their say. Period.

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The more I support Dems, the more I get screwed (none / 0) (#67)
by Ellie on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 05:44:25 PM EST
It's to the point that I have to look hard for a reason to support them.

They don't represent me or the core Dem interests I cherish. They don't aggressively, efficiently, honestly serve as an opposition party applying checks and balances. They don't promote progress. They don't uphold and defend the Constitution.

All they manage to do is vacuum in obscene amounts of money to f*ck up elections they should be winning handily, and return the same perma-losers like Donna Brazile to power.

With the Dems getting "my back" the last eight years, I'm not even a person any more. Hell, even my vote within the party wouldn't count.

I totally see where Kathy's coming from. There are better ways to promote change and equality than putting "our" version of a shallow, Bush-like marketing cartoon character. The Dems are a joke.

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sadly, I'm beginning to feel like this too (5.00 / 2) (#83)
by angie on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 07:54:49 PM EST
I actually feel lost -- I've been a Democrat so long, putting my money & time where my "mouth" is with donations and volunteering, being heartbroken when Gore & Kerry lost.  And now I look at the fiasco the DNC, Pelosi, et al have made of this election and I don't think I'm a Democrat any more. At least not if being a Democrat means that the votes in FL & MI don't count just because the DNC says they don't and members of my own party, including the guy who wants to be my nominee, justify it. It wasn't ok with me when Bush & the USSC did it 2000 and it's not ok with me now. Honestly, this feeling is not because I support Hillary -- if it was her blocking FL & MI revotes,  she would lose my support.  I always said I would vote for whoever the Democratic nominee was, but now I actually don't know what to do. I know I'm physically incapable of voting for a Republican. But, if Obama gets the nomination with FL & MI not counting (or whatever Obama's story is about this now), I actually don't think I can vote for him either.  It will be the first time in 20 years I haven't voted in an election, and I feel like I've lost a part of myself.  Sorry for this long post, but I had to get this off of my chest.  Thank god for this site and the sanity and maturity here.  

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Hallelujah. Tried so hard to refrain from posting (5.00 / 1) (#84)
by Ellie on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 08:15:54 PM EST
I swear, since '04 and esp. after '06 I tried so hard to give Dems every chance to meet me at least half way on the very routine laundry list I posted.

I felt I was becoming a rote Dem scold, disappointment after disappointment, sellout after sellout and didn't want to clutter partisan, but overall fair and ethical sites I liked and respected with my Dem Rehab talk.

I still followed a few of my favorites and refrained from posting at all for months and months. I'm just at my wits end. I still like and admire some individual candidates, and will always support causes I care about with body  heart and soul.

I just feel like an idiot now for having given so much to the Dems during my adult life demanding so little in return.

In closing,

RUN HILLARY RUN! Run like the wind! :-)

And if any of the Dem-istocracy are listening -- HAH!, the bigots outside my ob/gyn's office get more respect -- that's a deal-breaker!

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