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The difference? (5.00 / 5) (#12)
by wasabi on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 02:18:10 PM EST
What is the difference between Obama saying "she can't win" and Clinton saying "he can't win"?

I'd like to know.

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He's the likely nominee (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by magster on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 02:22:22 PM EST


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but not the nominee (5.00 / 3) (#16)
by SantaMonicaJoe on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 02:24:35 PM EST
it may have escaped your attention, the campaign is still going on.

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I get it now (5.00 / 3) (#18)
by wasabi on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 02:28:58 PM EST
You just have to be the first to CLAIM that someone is unelectable.  Then if you are ahead, you get to whine about how mean the other player is.  I get it now...

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Because he is not ready to be (none / 0) (#59)
by MichaelGale on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 05:10:06 PM EST
President.  If he cared about the Democratic Party, he would have waited until he had "some"experience and some toughness for god's sake. He and his supporters are victims, just as this release states. Good.  Let them donate 24 million. The man's already spent 40 million. He could have rebuilt  south Chicago with that kind of money.

I thought this guy was a "community activist" and wanted to help the poor.

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Gallup poll (none / 0) (#68)
by RalphB on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 05:52:20 PM EST
shows that lots of people have concerns about his qualifications.

Nearly 4 in 10 of those who least want to see Obama elected (39%) say they believe he is "inexperienced" or "not qualified" to be president.


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Here's what Obama said in january (5.00 / 4) (#43)
by wasabi on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:55:17 PM EST
Jan 30, 4:33 PM (ET)

By NEDRA PICKLER

DENVER (AP) - Democratic White House candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday said rival Hillary Rodham Clinton is too polarizing to win the presidency and she has taken positions shared by President Bush and Republican candidate John McCain for political expediency.


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His quotes from that article: (5.00 / 0) (#51)
by Alec82 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 04:27:30 PM EST
"Democrats will win in November and build a majority in Congress not by nominating a candidate who will unite the other party against us, but by choosing one who can unite this country around a movement for change," Obama said, speaking as rival John Edwards was pulling out of the race in New Orleans, leaving a Clinton-Obama fight for the Democratic nomination.

"It is time for new leadership that understands the way to win a debate with John McCain or any Republican who is nominated is not by nominating someone who agreed with him on voting for the war in Iraq or who agreed with him in voting to give George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran, who agrees with him in embracing the Bush-Cheney policy of not talking to leaders we don't like, who actually differed with him by arguing for exceptions for torture before changing positions when the politics of the moment changed," Obama said.

"We need to offer the American people a clear contrast on national security, and when I am the nominee of the Democratic Party, that is exactly what I will do," he said.

 Nowhere in the article does he say "Clinton is too polarizing to win."  He certainly implies she will have a tougher time of it, but there is no direct quote to that effect.  The writer took liberties, but I guess the press is fair when it takes liberties with Obama's words. ;-)

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Then how about this? (5.00 / 3) (#61)
by ColumbiaDuck on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 05:20:57 PM EST
From last fall:

"If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, then we have a repetition of 2000 and 2004," he said. "There's no change in the political map. I'm not making predictions specifically about which way Ohio or Florida will go, but what you do know is that 45 percent of the country will be on one side and 45 percent of the country will be on the other. . . . There's not going to be an expansion of the electorate. I don't think anybody would claim that Senator Clinton is going to inspire a horde of new voters. I don't think it's realistic that she is going to get a whole bunch of Republicans to think differently about her."

(This article also has some good stuff about the names he was calling her six months ago.)

I mean, this stuff isn't hard to find.  Obama (and others) were saying Clinton was unelectable for months - that she was too divisive and would fire up Republicans, etc, etc.  

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Umm... (5.00 / 0) (#73)
by Alec82 on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 06:07:05 PM EST
...he specifically said in that article he was not predicting who would win, just that the map would remain unchanged.

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nice try (5.00 / 1) (#86)
by ColumbiaDuck on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 08:53:29 PM EST
He said he wouldn't try to predict florida and ohio - not the entire election.  Overall he said that it would be the same as 00 and 04 and the dems lost both of those.

I'm sure you can WORM this out a little more, but just do a google search - obama was making the case all last fall that clinton couldn't win a ge because she was too divisive (other candidates were too).  It's not a debateable point and moreover, it's another example of how clinton is held to different standards (in private conversations no less!) than obama.

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She is firing up all right. (none / 0) (#71)
by BarnBabe on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 06:02:53 PM EST
She has fired up some of my Republican friends to vote for her. Mostly the women. So You Go Girl!

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source? (none / 0) (#24)
by VicAjax on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 02:35:59 PM EST

I haven't seen this before... can you point me to where Obama said Hillary couldn't win the GE?

I've always personally been of the mind that whomever wins the Dem primary would be well-equipped to win the GE.  it's just been my opinion that Obama  would help more with state and congressional dem races.

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check wasabi's post (none / 0) (#46)
by SantaMonicaJoe on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 03:59:38 PM EST
'cuz I'm feeling lazy.

You could also google.

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one is about the primary (none / 0) (#63)
by Tiparillo on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 05:24:41 PM EST
and looks at delgate counts and likely super delegates no realistic path to victory, and one is a canard based on vague electibility arguments for the general election.

You are comparing apples to oranges here.

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No (none / 0) (#66)
by ColumbiaDuck on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 05:37:52 PM EST
Obama and other were talking about the general - saying that Clinton was too divisive to win against the Republicans.  This was an attack on her for months last fall.

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It was the entire basis (none / 0) (#69)
by SantaMonicaJoe on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 05:56:39 PM EST
of the original argument against Hillary being the nominee before the primaries started.

To argue he didn't say it is absurd.

Kind of the foundation for why he got into the campaign in the first place.

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That and a lot of DC elders (none / 0) (#75)
by BarnBabe on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 06:11:21 PM EST
are still carrying grudges against Bill and don't want her to win because 'HE' will be back in the WH. I don't think she made so many enemies in her DC years to warrant the elders putting up a candidate against her. And it could have been a slew of others. No, they put a candidate up against her who could take away a lot of her base. As for Pelosi, I wouldn't want her to be President even if I would like to see a woman President. She has been tested and is failing right now. Maybe next semester.

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I would like to see a woman President, but ... (none / 0) (#87)
by cymro on Fri Apr 04, 2008 at 01:14:11 AM EST
... that woman has to be a competent leader and manager. Since she became speaker, Pelosi has been proving she is neither. Instead, she seems to be demonstrating the truth of the Peter Principle. Howard Dean is another example. Obama is likely to become another, I believe.

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