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EXACTLY!!! (5.00 / 1) (#56)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 03:57:20 PM EST
You see where I am going.

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And after that (5.00 / 1) (#57)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 03:57:40 PM EST
the Senate.

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Are pitchforks and (5.00 / 1) (#66)
by DaytonDem on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:03:14 PM EST
burning torches going to be issued at the rally or will we be expected to provide them?...heh   ...sign me up if we can rid ourselves of the electoral college and the undemocratic senate.

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Well that's fine with me (none / 0) (#65)
by andgarden on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:01:37 PM EST
but I don't understand why you would then devolve so much power to the states on how this would be conducted.

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Why not? (none / 0) (#73)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:09:47 PM EST
I do not follow your logic there.

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Why give so much power to the states (none / 0) (#79)
by andgarden on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:14:10 PM EST
to decide how the process should be conducted? What can they do that the national party can't? More specifically, as I ask above, what do you do about state governments that are dominated by Republicans?

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Well (none / 0) (#81)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:15:42 PM EST
They can organize a float parade for one thing.

You really trust the Donna Braziles of the world on this?

I do not.

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No, I trust none of them (none / 0) (#88)
by andgarden on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:19:53 PM EST
I would trust states with divided or mostly Democratic government to conduct the process fairly. But what do we do about the red states?

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I think the problem (none / 0) (#100)
by Iphie on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:27:10 PM EST
with using the current political affiliations of states as a basis for process decisions is that these things change (not often, and not easily, but they do change), and just like gerrymandering, the effects of such decisions could have long-term and unintended consequences. I don't know how you would implement any sort of sweeping change such as this without applying the same rules for all states -- to do otherwise would be contrary to what I believe is the spirit of BTD's suggestion, i.e., moving closer to a truly democratic process.

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Also, how does having a caucus (none / 0) (#104)
by derridog on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:33:55 PM EST
in some states make it more democratic? And what about Independent and Rethug crossover?

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Senate seats determined by popular vote! (none / 0) (#123)
by LHinSeattle on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 05:42:44 PM EST
Now that's a change we badly need.

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Except That (none / 0) (#92)
by squeaky on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 04:22:00 PM EST
I think it would be a mathematical impossibility to get the necessary 2/3 votes to eliminate the anachronism. The small states will not cooperate in giving up their power. Not sure what the argument would be to convince them.

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Caucus Votes (none / 0) (#146)
by MO Blue on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 06:22:50 PM EST
Would the popular vote  be the actual number of people who participated in the process? If so, in a tightly contested primary like now, wouldn't a caucus state have less influence on the actual outcome of the nominee?

In one way it sounds kind of unfair but OTOH caucuses are not fair. It might push states into having primaries instead. That would be good IMO.

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Yes (none / 0) (#159)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 07:05:44 PM EST
A caucus would have less influence than a primary.

A state that held a caucus instead of a primary would be lessening its own influence.

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I see the logic (none / 0) (#162)
by AnninCA on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 07:08:08 PM EST
but think you'd run into the 50-state strategy as a roadblock.

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