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Is this true? (none / 0) (#8)
by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Apr 27, 2008 at 07:01:40 PM EST

"what is it about our priorities that has us spending more on incarceration than higher education?"

Who is "us" and what is "higher education?"  Is higher education all education after high school, or a subset?

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Yes it's true (none / 0) (#9)
by Leisa on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 01:14:13 PM EST
"us" = taxpayers and really, it is education period...  we spend more money to incarcerate than educate.

We have to take better care of our children and their families.  Many of the problems with crime are due to poverty, drug addiction and mental illness.  

Many children raised in these high crime environments suffer from post traumatic stress syndrome which creates learning and social problems.  These compound to create and perpetuate the plight of violence in that segment of society.  

I worked as a special education teacher with "emotionally disturbed" children.  70% of the cases were from troubled impoverished homes, others had autism or other handicapping conditions that required intense behavior modification.

I think the best investment we can make is in helping impoverished families.  Our educational system needs to reach out to these families and develop systems that will increase literacy and job seeking and retention skills.  There are so many families that just do not know how to budget, manage their time or care properly for their children by developing healthy routines.

So, while it may not solve the problems we have today, I think spending more public money on these children and their families education could be a solution for a better future for everyone.

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Apples and Oranges (none / 0) (#11)
by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:37:42 PM EST
"us" = taxpayers

Well incarceration is paid for 100% by tax payers, but education is funded by both the taxpayer and private parties.  

By only counting what the taxpayer spends on higher ed, you are significantly understating the total,

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You are correct about private (none / 0) (#12)
by Leisa on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 08:46:43 PM EST
education.  If you do not want your child in public school, you pay for a private school or home school.

Then again, very few children that have the privilege of involved parents end up incarcerated.  Yes, some do, but not many.

Anyway, thanks for pointing out the obvious point I did, indeed, miss.

Did it somehow make my point irrelevant?

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To some extent (none / 0) (#13)
by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 07:28:55 AM EST

As a nation (including both public and private), we spent huge sums on post K-12 education.  That includes colleges, trade schools, continuing education for professionals, etc.  As to K-12 is there as much as a single state where that is not the largest public expenditure?

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I do not (none / 0) (#14)
by Leisa on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 01:06:02 PM EST
have exact figures, but as far as expenditures per person, we spend at least twice as much money to incarcerate someone than to educate them.  

For example, my school district spends about $10,000 a year educating each child.  It cost our county jail is around $20,000 a year to provide for an inmate.

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So? (none / 0) (#15)
by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 04:54:27 PM EST

The number in the slammer is tiny compared to those in K-12, college, trade school, etc.  

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Ok, you win (none / 0) (#16)
by Leisa on Sat May 03, 2008 at 11:32:36 PM EST
I can't argue with a person that can not see per capita values.

If you think that money is better spent incarcerating a human being rather than educating him, well, let me see this argument as our criminal justice system continues on this path and we must increase our current capacities and expenditures...

We can do so much more for our people than what we do with the resources we have.

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