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I mentioned this yesterday, (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by madamab on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 12:13:31 PM EST
but I am a tad freaked out about the GOP's attack ads in SC and their potential effect on down-ticket votes. They go after Obama's superdelegates, not Obama himself! That, I didn't expect.

I know that Obama supporters often say that their guy will have bigger coattails, but for the life of me I can't find any evidence to support this. Democrats for a Day? Obamacans? Independents? Where is the proof that they will vote Democratic all the way down the ticket?

Is there such a thing as negative coattails? (5.00 / 2) (#9)
by stillife on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 12:25:25 PM EST
b/c that's what Obama will have in November if he's the nominee.

The Wright stuff is not going away - I'm only surprised that it's being used so early and to target local candidates.

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Negative coatails? you bet (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by Prabhata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 12:34:40 PM EST
Jimmy Carter lost, and with him many Democrats.

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That's already happened in (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by magster on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:02:44 PM EST
IL-14 and MD-04.

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the Wright stuff is being used by HIllary (3.00 / 2) (#50)
by lilybart on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:16:53 PM EST
and all her supporters. You all are keeping it alive.

Let's see, he refused deferrment, volunteered to serve in Vietnam, has White House commendations...just what is so bad?

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We're not the ones who are keeping it alive (5.00 / 1) (#83)
by stillife on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:53:37 PM EST
If you truly believe that, you're very naive.

The Republicans are all over it and won't be stopping anytime soon.

Get real.  Wright volunteered to serve in Vietnam?  BFD, especially when stacked up against McCain the War Hero, who could have obtained early release but refused to do so because it wasn't fair to the POW's who were there with him.

How do you think that's gonna play against G-D America?  

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John Kerry and Max Cleleand (5.00 / 1) (#94)
by standingup on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 02:14:44 PM EST
served in Viet Nam too but did that stop the Republicans from swiftboating them? And it looks like they are trying to take it a step further this year by attaching it to other Dems.

This is Obama's problem of his own creation and his to put to bed. Stop trying to project the his problems onto Hillary or her supporters.

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Would Like To See Some Poll Results On (5.00 / 2) (#10)
by MO Blue on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 12:27:16 PM EST
what effect these ads have on the N.C. Dems who endorsed Obama. This tactic will be used against all down ticket candidates who have endorsed Obama and it would be nice to have some indication on how effective it will be.

I was afraid that this would happen. Also, Wright is not the only issue that the Republicans can use Obama's words and actions to reinforce their preexisting frames on Democrats. Not sure that there is any existing frame that Obama hasn't reinforced.

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Won't be used only on Dems who endorsed (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by RalphB on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 12:42:57 PM EST
Obama.  Once he becomes the nominee, God forbid, it will be used against every democrat period.  After all, he'll be the leader of the party so everyone will be fair game.


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Have you heard the joke (none / 0) (#14)
by stillife on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 12:31:59 PM EST
what do Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden have in common?

They both have friends who bombed the Pentagon.

Expect a lot more of that in upcoming months.

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That's a bad joke. (none / 0) (#17)
by Prabhata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 12:36:13 PM EST


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Obama went after Clinton's super-delegates (5.00 / 1) (#62)
by Cream City on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:24:07 PM EST
using the "race card."  So it seems poetic justice, somehow, that Repubs now go after Obama's super-delegates on that basis.

But yes, it's a sign again of bad times down-ticket for Dems, as we've said here before about the need for coat-tails come election day to get more Dems in Congress.  Even if we do get a Dem in the White House, we need more Dems in Congress.  And if we don't get a Dem in the White House, we desperately need more Dems in Congress.

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Obama win spells doom sez the pit of my stomach (5.00 / 1) (#80)
by Ellie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:51:04 PM EST
And this isn't just the GWB "First Gut" answer he gives after not using his coconut for an analytical function. (Yeah, I know, not capable of generating much, but even a piña colada's worth of juice would suffice here.)

As Sen Clinton's fans (and neutral observers elsewhere) have noted, Obama-mentum has been greatly assisted at the outset, and more lately, entirely reliant on being carred by forces outside his own magnetism (for resources, power and coverage) besides Charisma(TM).

Obama has been carried forward, is becoming exponentially "heavier", and by the time the Dems have to carry him on their own-some, he'll be an outright millstone in the GE.

I'm not being a scaredy-cat fear-mongering evil monster white lady to say so. I've got plenty of good reasons provided by Obama himself for believing he'll be toast in the general election.

YES I have worked in campaigns. YES I have worked on all aspects. No, you cannot afford me.

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Buyers beware (none / 0) (#4)
by Prabhata on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 12:18:41 PM EST
It will be interesting to see how those ads impact the races being targeted and BO.  It should be a good year to elect Democrats, but if those ads are successful, it's bad news.

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That's what I'm worried about. (none / 0) (#7)
by madamab on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 12:22:14 PM EST
If we are going to get anything good passed through Congress, never mind any kind of accountability for the crimes of BushCo, then we need a LOT more Democrats in Congress.

We can't afford to lose seats that should be easy pickups for us.

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We'll be sending... (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 12:46:36 PM EST
...a shiny new Democrat to the Senate and retaining all of the seats currently held.  Now, if only we could get rid of Marilyn Muskrat, life would be good.  

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Isn't SC a hopeless cause? (none / 0) (#47)
by lilybart on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:15:35 PM EST
SC is the most Christianist of all. Are there ANY democrats in elected office there?

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The Ads Were Actually Run In NC And (5.00 / 1) (#61)
by MO Blue on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 01:23:35 PM EST
not SC. Just providing this info for the sake of accuracy.

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