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This is good news and (5.00 / 3) (#5)
by bjorn on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:28:50 PM EST
hopefully confirms my gut feeling that Hillary is doing way better than most people think.  Some have commented that people are for Hillary in "secret" and I think it might be true.  Obama is so "cool", the media is so for him, I think people don't want to let others know their true leanings sometimes...but maybe the tide is starting to turn in PA.

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Media matters (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by zebedee on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:53:20 PM EST
How the media plays these polls matter a lot. If this was Obama recovering in a few days from a 10 pct deficit it would be breaking news spread over much of the MSM and the lead story on Huff Po, Kos etc. They will probably just ignore this one though. The only place I've seen it mentioned since it came out almost an hour ago is Kos, which drew around 80 comments dismissing it (only real poll on Tue counts etc)

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Will the MSM report or mention this? (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by felizarte on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 12:57:02 PM EST
I hope your gut feeling is right.  I too had a dream that the people who have been victimized by these difficult economic times opened the door for her.  Perhaps my dream is just the product of my ardent desire to see her nominated and elected because I really believe she is the only one of the candidates who can right the ship of state.

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Short answer - no (none / 0) (#28)
by Lora on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:45:25 PM EST
A casual search:

I checked the home pages for CNN, ABC, CBS, and MSNBC and Fox news just now.  Nothing on the front home page.  MSNBC Decision '08 page was pro-Obama.  A search of the sites using the words "Clinton poll PA" brought up mostly Obama-leaning headlines.

On the CBS site, one from April 14th entitled "Poll shows widening lead for Clinton in Pennsylvania" mentions a 20-point lead.  The post ends with, "Twenty points is a very high bar to reach, look for the Clinton camp to be talking a lot about winning narrowly over the next week."

IMO: They are hoping that Obama will win the nomination.  I can only conclude that they believe McCain will knock him down more easily than Clinton in the fall.

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I would sacrifice my first-born son (none / 0) (#40)
by stillife on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:10:39 PM EST
for a 20-point Hillary win in PA.  

Well, actually I wouldn't sacrifice him, but I am certainly nagging him to death about voting on Tuesday.  He's up from Philly this weekend and should be here in a few minutes and I will bug him some more!  =)

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Yes, the "cool" factor (5.00 / 2) (#23)
by Raven15 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:16:58 PM EST
...and its corollary, Clinton supporters' silence and fear of ostracism, have been remarkably underanalyzed. And it's extremely widespread, from caucuses to campuses to workplaces. I am in a "creative class" profession, and we Clinton supporters are very cautious about letting people know. Peer pressure ain't just something that happens in high school.

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I'm watching CNN ballot bowl right now and... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
by Maria Garcia on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:48:27 PM EST
...something that is striking me as I watch both canidates stump (and bear in my I am biased, lol) is that Hillary these days appears to be energized and having fun whereas Barack is the one who seems tired and rambling.

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Right. he likes the prize, not the fight. (5.00 / 4) (#30)
by MarkL on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:49:47 PM EST


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I have noticed that too (5.00 / 1) (#31)
by Marvin42 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:50:35 PM EST
I saw it on last Sunday Faith forum, I thought he has just not rested before he showed up. Then at the debate he seemed tired and agitated before it even began (and of course it got worse). And on his stump speech videos he looks like his heart is not in it.

I don't know what it is. I would think it is sheer fatigue, but he has been doing it for a while now and why get tired now?

I wonder if maybe he is starting to realize what the process is really like when the press is not treating you so kindly? I can't imagine it is easy for anyone, which also explains a bit of my admiration for the Clintons.

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Like withdrawal syndrome (5.00 / 1) (#37)
by felizarte on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:06:02 PM EST
His eleven 'wins' in a row was like a shot of psychological uppers and his lingering failure to 'close the deal' as in his losses in Texas and Ohio, a psychological let down, punctuated by his obvious poor performance in the recent Philadelphia debates.  His attempt at humor in his campaign speeches after the debate came off as mocking Hillary Clinton.

The MSM should realize by now that Hillary's supporters have the same trait as what they admire in her:  Psychological and intellectual toughness and resolve.  

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First: ballot bowl? Why do you torture yourself? (5.00 / 1) (#38)
by Kathy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:09:31 PM EST
second: I saw it during the debate, where it seems like O is bored with his own rhetoric.  Instead of stating his story as fresh and new, "I was raised by a single mother.  I worked as a community organizer and turned down lucrative job offers in the private sector, in order to help the poor" he just bullet-pointed it, even ticking it off on his fingers: "Raised by a single mother, community organizer, worked for the poor..."

When you speak in public a lot, it's hard to remember that not everyone has heard your story or your stump speech.  You have to present it as new every time.

In short, he seems bored with his own story--and a tad annoyed to have to be repeating it.

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I was waiting to see Maya and Hillary... (none / 0) (#43)
by Maria Garcia on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:21:17 PM EST
...which they had promised and which is on now.

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Taylor Marsh (5.00 / 1) (#45)
by Kathy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:23:42 PM EST
has the whole feed of the Clinton/Angelou thing.

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Thanks cause.... (none / 0) (#48)
by Maria Garcia on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:34:44 PM EST
...they only showed the part where Hillary talked about how historic it was that a woman and an African American could be president. Of course Suzanne Malveaux interpreted that as Hillary admitted how historic a Barack Obama presidency would be. LOL. Anyway, now I can go back to BBC America.

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WWTSBQ? Just give me the nom already! (none / 0) (#49)
by Joan in VA on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:35:10 PM EST


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So true (none / 0) (#26)
by ruffian on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:41:37 PM EST
I think this has been true all along and is why she continues to confound the analysts and polls.

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Passion (5.00 / 2) (#41)
by Raven15 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 02:10:41 PM EST
Yes, I feel like I know what HRC is passionate about and what she will fight for. Obama's passions, if he has any, have simply not come into focus for me.

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