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Talking Points for HRC? (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by Pianobuff on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:19:31 PM EST

If I were setting Clinton's campaign strategy, I would be getting out the word that the race is in the state it's in because Obama channeled it there.

Seriously, Obama very early on countered the experience card with the judgment card (I was against the war....).  He countered the actions card with the words card (Words matter...).  He successfully engineered the media focus into looking at judgment and words.  So now the media is talking about his judgment via associations and parsing his words to try to understand what he is all about and it's unfair?   Does anyone else see him as being a victim of his own success?


Clinton's TPs (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Fabian on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:31:54 PM EST
Respect the voters.
Issues.
Detailed plan/answers.

She needs to get some good sound bites prepared for the most likely tabloid trivia that the Media likes to go after.  Obama's long winded responses are his weak point.  They play well to an audience, but the lazy Media just wants something no more than thirty seconds long, if that.  So whoever produces the best sound bite will have their words repeated, free of charge.

Grab the media cycle at every opportunity.  If Obama doesn't want to debate, then "I'm very sorry to hear that.  I've always enjoyed our debates together.  I've always thought that voters benefit from them.".  If the subject of the question is Obama, then the sentence is always "We" and "I", never "He".  Always speak for yourself, never presume to speak for someone else.

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HRC Has Some Pretty Good Talking Points (5.00 / 5) (#40)
by MO Blue on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:41:39 PM EST
of her own regarding the debate.

HRC: We were both asked some pretty tough questions and that's part of what happens in a debate and in a campaign. And I know he spent all day yesterday complaining about the hard questions he was asked. Being asked tough questions in a debate is nothing like the pressures you face inside the White House.

In fact, when the going gets tough, you just can't walk away because we're going to have some very tough decisions that we have to make. I think we need a president who can take whatever comes your way. You have to stand strong; you have to fight for the American people - because it will not be easy to stand up against the special interests.

Q: So you were fine with the debate, did you see any problem with it?

HRC: Well, can I say that I've been through, what 23 of these debates? And as I recall, I was asked some pretty tough questions in nearly every one of them.

That goes with the territory, having been inside the White House, I know the pressures inside the White House, I know how hard it is every single day. When the going gets tough you can't run away. And it's going to be tough going to deal with these hard problems; getting out of Iraq in the right way, turning the economy around, getting universal health care, ending our dependence on foreign oil.

The special interests are going to be a lot tougher than 90 minutes of questions from two journalists and we need a president who is going to be up there fighting everyday for the American people and not complain about how much pressure there is, and how hard the questions are.

Sorry couldn't get my link to work.

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"Man up, you little baby!" (5.00 / 2) (#43)
by Kathy on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:42:51 PM EST


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Heh. Indeed. :-) (none / 0) (#47)
by madamab on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:44:04 PM EST


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I think she should drop (none / 0) (#51)
by Fabian on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:46:55 PM EST
the "when I was in the White House" meme.

Yes, she was.  Yes, it is actually relevant.  But it dilutes the points she is trying to make.  Try reading those clips without those comments and they come across more concise.  Short and to the point unless there is a good reason to go into detail - ie a complex situation, detailed plans or so forth.

JMO.

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The only problem with this (none / 0) (#55)
by CST on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:47:36 PM EST
Is what she said at the Cincinatti debate about the SNL skit and always getting the first question.  I am not saying either is right or wrong, but it does seem to me as if the pot is calling the kettle black.

Frankly, I think they both had a right to complain.

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To be fair (5.00 / 1) (#58)
by Kathy on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:50:49 PM EST
she also said, "but that's all right--I can take it."  And she didn't mention it at every subsequent stump speech.  And she didn't call Lorne Michaels to complain.

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Absolutely..... (5.00 / 1) (#74)
by Maria Garcia on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:57:17 PM EST
...I agree that the debate was rough and many of the questions were ridiculous. And a couple of digs at ABC might have been fine, but Obama whined about it all day long and used it to bash Hillary. When Hillary made the first question remark, she wasn't turning it against Obama. She didn't blame him for her media treatment.

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here we go again! (5.00 / 1) (#138)
by Josey on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:25:14 PM EST
Obama supporters can't tell the difference in stating a fact and whining.
Yes, Hillary said she gets the first questions. That's a fact.
But she doesn't whine and complain about the media coverage that has been slanted toward Obama from the gitgo.
If the media had performed a modicum of scrutiny of Obama - Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Obama lying about his father's connection to the Kennedys, etc., would have been exposed last year.

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Yes, but which one can pull it off? (none / 0) (#59)
by Fabian on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:51:08 PM EST
Obama can do it and his organization falls in line behind him.

If Hillary does it, then she'll get slammed with the "playing the victim" meme from.....well, let's just say from various groups.

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Clinton whines, Obama speaks truth (none / 0) (#70)
by Practically Lactating on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:55:00 PM EST
to power.

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Ah no we just put our ballot where our mouth is 10 (none / 0) (#73)
by Salt on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:56:27 PM EST
points she won by in Ohio 83 out of 88 Rube Archie Bunker counties if you recall.  Wallowing in victimhood is not our thing.

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It's a little too meta (none / 0) (#7)
by Edgar08 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:21:01 PM EST
As a Campaign message, but it's certainly all true.


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