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It think Jon Stewart has been relatively (none / 0) (#160)
by Joelarama on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:31:12 PM EST
unbiased as between Hillary and Obama, so I haven't sworn off The Daily Show.

Unlike Air America, Stephanie Miller, and Keith Olbermann.

Note to Hillary folks: even if you've been excommunicated from the Big Orange, consider going over there at least to update your personal blogrolls to include all the pro-Hillary and fair-to-Hillary blogs that we've grown to love.

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Heh (5.00 / 1) (#168)
by lambert on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:38:17 PM EST
Not a bad idea.

While I'm at it, I might carry through on my plan to delete all my content, which was all cross-posted anyhow, and replace it with as many links to the original as are needed for the system not to complain...

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Better to let them remember (5.00 / 1) (#169)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:41:25 PM EST
that someone who was a productive member of the community is gone.

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Then I'd have to log on (5.00 / 2) (#178)
by dianem on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:46:34 PM EST
I actually wrote a GBCW diary just so that I'd be too embarrassed to ever post there again. It was my most commented diary (out of 4 I'd written in 5 years). That place is poison for the soul.  I look back at my time there and think of it like a formerly good relationship that went on way too long after it went bad. You can't go back. Or, at least, sometimes you shouldn't.

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I just faded away (5.00 / 2) (#191)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:51:41 PM EST
but yes, I agree that it has all the hallmarks of a bad relationship.

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I wrote a TTFN diary... (5.00 / 2) (#192)
by kredwyn on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:52:43 PM EST
then never published it. It just seemed easier to wander off into the wilds for a while...and maybe wander back sometime after Denver.

I do miss some of the people over there...but I don't need the headaches I was getting.

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I think I won't be going back (5.00 / 3) (#196)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:57:43 PM EST
No matter what happens, I just don't respect a lot of people there anymore. I have no desire to chat with them anymore.

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I Won't Be Going Back (5.00 / 3) (#207)
by MO Blue on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:05:50 PM EST
Lost all credibility as far as I'm concerned when the FP posts (including Kos) started making stuff up just to feed the frenzy of Hillary hatred. It is hard to distinguish it from Little Green Footballs.

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It's easy to distinguish them. (none / 0) (#210)
by MarkL on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:10:38 PM EST
The LGF guy is tons smarter than Kos.

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Actually, what really (none / 0) (#212)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:11:00 PM EST
convinced me to leave was when one FPer tried to tell me that there was some difference between dkos and Free Republic. As soon as it sunk in that there really wasn't, I was gone.

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Wow (none / 0) (#227)
by Joelarama on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:25:30 PM EST
Now that is hilarious/sad.

Daily Kos is Free Republic with fancy graphics.  And McJoan.  I miss her.

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I really miss mcjoan too (5.00 / 1) (#230)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:28:20 PM EST
but she's on a very short list. . .

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She did an interview with G Greenwald (5.00 / 1) (#233)
by Fabian on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:32:15 PM EST
You can check his site to find the link.

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I Agree On McJoan (5.00 / 1) (#243)
by MO Blue on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:53:04 PM EST
I will miss her and a few others but not enough to go back and support the site even with occasional hits. Once I can't trust what is said, it no longer has value to me.

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I like the community diaries. (none / 0) (#213)
by Fabian on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:11:28 PM EST
And go back specifically for them.

But campaign diaries and the commenters in them are just too much.  People taking Unity and Change as certainties instead of campaign rhetoric AND being deliberately nasty to Clinton at every opportunity -  there is just nothing to discuss with them except how awful Hillary is and how totally awesome Barack is.

There used to be positive fluff diaries like Edwards Evening News Roundup that made the rec list every day.  Now, at least one dKos SMASH Clinton! diary makes the rec list every day.    

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If it were just a few diaries or people (5.00 / 1) (#218)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:14:53 PM EST
I wouldn't mind. But now the problem is with people I used to respect. No more.

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I can't separate that much (5.00 / 1) (#220)
by dianem on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:17:19 PM EST
Going to Daily Kos the way it is right now is like visiting a party where everybody is standing around with a drink in their hand chatting while a crowd of people defecate in the middle of the floor.

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I despised the candidate fluff diaries on the rec (none / 0) (#221)
by Joelarama on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:17:30 PM EST
list.  Waste of valuable space.

But that's just me.  The inaccurate and infammatory attack diaries on the rec list are the real abomination.  It used to be a Democratic site.

As for the community diaries, I stopped going.  Back when MSOC kept talking about Kos benefiting from others' genius, I thought it was just whining.  I'm shocked that I agree with her now.

He gets no hits from me.  The blogroll thing is my one exception.

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Well, remember (5.00 / 1) (#222)
by andgarden on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:20:10 PM EST
on a site like Daily Kos, you are the product.

I think of it as a radio station that changed formats.

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Format change - very apropos. (5.00 / 1) (#232)
by Fabian on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:31:16 PM EST
There's a cycle in our regional radio.  Every X many months, all the minor stations shift formats to try to grab another 0.5% of the market share.  I'll hit a preset station and suddenly I'll be listening to romantic pop instead of country.

Not sure how long the blogs can hold onto this new format with their market shares drying up.

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I was planning to wander and then come back. (5.00 / 3) (#201)
by Joelarama on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:00:05 PM EST
That changed when many front page posters went over the edge, and then finally when Kos made it quite clear he felt that Hillary was entitled to no fairness or accuracy, and that her supporters were entitled to no respect.

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You mean when he decided that... (5.00 / 1) (#217)
by dianem on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:14:05 PM EST
...fellow Democrats and former friends were entitled to no fairness or accuracy, don't you? It wasn't just Clinton he trashed. Everybody who supported her, or even just didn't join in ridiculing her, was treated like dirt. He did nothing to control it, in fact he threw gas on the flames. He could have set standards for decency, but he chose a different path. His site is now a magnet for overgrown adolescents who simply want to talk trash. A few grown-ups hang around, either because they are blindly loyal, totally oblivious or think they look cool and hip hanging around with the kids (they don't - the kids make fun of them behind their backs). Markos will make a fortune in ad revenue - that high impact 18-30 demographic. Integrity be damned. He has a family to feed.  

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Wonder 'bout that demo, post-election (5.00 / 3) (#244)
by rghojai on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 05:57:51 PM EST
A passing curiosity about how many of the relatively new and young will stick around after the election. On some not-my-better-self level, there's a hope that they don't stick around and the adults don't come back....

 Several months ago, a not-trivial number of us over there were expressing concerns about the tone, approach, etc., relative to Clinton and otherwise. Am far from the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I've some experience with online communities and it didn't feel hard to see where things looked to be going. Heck (ironically enough), Obama told people to chill; Olbermann told people to chill.

At the time, it felt cynical to think there might be a desire to go down the ugly road for pageviews, attracting people/those who fit a demographic. Now, given that those thoughts and concerns were roundly ignored and at times dismissed in a way that was far from pleasant, it feels naive to have thought otherwise.

I do wander by once in while to glance at the FP, but what ended any significant interaction was Markos relating that it was open season on HRC because the race was over, she was damaging the party, etc. Felt like that was simply insulting people's intelligence. It was abundantly clear that, for many a month, that tone and approach had been there in a pretty big way. Felt like the justification was far from honest.

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I understand. It's been good for me, (none / 0) (#194)
by Joelarama on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 04:56:54 PM EST
because it made me discover how many great blogs there are out there.  DKos is a one-note time suck.

It might be worth it just to log in and change your blog entries -- it at least increases the chances they will be displayed on the randomized front-page user blogroll.

Anglachel, Corrente, NYCweboy, Riverdaughter, Shakesville, Mad Kane, Howling Latina, Tom Watson, Suburban Guerrilla, No More Apples, Reclusive Leftist, Blue Lyon, Sugar & Spice, EENR Blog . . . not all of these are new by any stretch, but I ignored them before and have come to appreciate them, especially the diversity of perspective.

Any others?


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