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In case anyone is wondering (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:09:10 AM EST
Not only do I NOT like Clinton's attacks on this, I think she is making a mistake. She is defusing the story.

But I really HATE the shameless hypocrisy of the Creative Class blogs now. Willis' post is one of the most shamelessly hypocritical I have ever seen.

They have all lost their minds.

as with kerry and his vietnam record (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Turkana on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:13:05 AM EST
sometimes you let others carry the conversation. do it yourself and it weakens the effect.

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I disagree about Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by gyrfalcon on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:19:39 AM EST
I think she absolutely needs to say loud and clear to those voters Obama dissed that she doesn't think that way and vigorously disagrees with what he said.   Otherwise, Obama's idiotic comments can damage the entire Dem. Party, not just him personally.  She absolutely needs to speak out on this personally, I think.  (That said, obviously, she needs to do it carefully.)

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She should have focused on what (none / 0) (#33)
by dotcommodity on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:58:37 PM EST
she is doing, succeeding with every demographic by showing how she would work on the problems they're experiencing. That said, he's made a terribly revealing statement.

If you start by sneering at the voters you need with a "cling to" dismissal, you will not design policy that will help them.

I am surprised that the wealthy were convinced by that answer. Frankly I think he sidestepped the answer:

I would want someone who would say, "yeah, I do need to work on that demographic better...I know I can help them, and I want to, but they just don't know that about me yet. But I'm working hard on it. If I had more ad money I could reach them..."

Really he was signalling to these wealthy guys, "Who cares about these dregs  of society that you'll outsource anyway, right? The're toast. Stick a fork in them. They just use up all your tax dollars on their expensive healthcare. "

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If it's her last chance... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:22:45 AM EST
she could overplay.  I want to see the debate.  She has to save the blow for that.  

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I disagree with you (none / 0) (#21)
by ajain on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 11:30:44 AM EST
While these may be right-wing talking points, I think she is right in what she is saying.

This is a huge General Election problem.
Even Politico realised this, with their new article, this morning.

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She should not have defused it (none / 0) (#35)
by dotcommodity on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:09:17 PM EST
by changing the subject:

"cling to their guns or religion" is the real issue.

"Bitter", schmitter. Every Democrat in the country is beyond bitter! Nothing shamefull about bitter.

Since she represents the poor, the old, the disenfrandchised, the children, the disabled - she needs to show by kindness how he represents the heartless wing of the Democratic party, by deriding those who "cling".

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I think the real issue (5.00 / 1) (#42)
by Boston Boomer on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:42:37 PM EST
is that Obama clearly implied that small town Midwesterners are bigots.  No one wants to be painted that way.  I grew up in small Midwestern towns myself.  Some people in every place or class are bigots.  And some are not.  Generalizing like that is not smart for any politician.


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also true (none / 0) (#54)
by dotcommodity on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 08:55:24 PM EST
(Hi Boston Boomer! All the people I miss from the old dailykos, now here...)

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I think your priorities are in the wrong place (none / 0) (#24)
by bruhrabbit3 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:26:01 PM EST
You are say you understand that she's doing wrong,b ut post multiple diaries in which you also reinforce right wing talking points. The whole "elitism" shtick, and indeed, the "creative class" comments are standard ways of address progressives. How does this help? You did this to me yesterday when I disagreed with you. I really don't see how you think what you are doing in the way you are doing is going to help us win in the fall. What Obama is having to apologize for, by the way, is the way in which the story has been spun, not what he actually said. I think your priorities are in the wrong place.

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you are wrong (5.00 / 3) (#37)
by ColumbiaDuck on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:20:20 PM EST
Obama's problem isn't how the story is spun - it's what he said.  Which essentially was that these small town folks have economic problems but are too ignorant to recognize the economy as the cause so they blame outsiders while clinging to guns and god.  And he was explaining this in san fran, like some anthropologist circa 1905 just come back from a trip to nepal.

But if you are so unhappy with clinton's actions, I can only assume you are emailing the obama campaign to complain that they are now calling her an elitist because she has money.  The same RW attack that was used on edwards, roosevelt, and kennedy.

Elitism isn't about personal wealth.  It's about an attitude.  There are millionaires that are the farthest thing from elitist and starving students who are the epitome of snobs.

Obama's attitude brought him this trouble - he has no one to blame but himself.

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I invented creative class? (none / 0) (#40)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:30:33 PM EST
Sorry, Obama effed up politically. And if you can;t deal with that, you are no better than the rest of the creative class.

I thought you were.

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Paul Rosenberg just posted this from Great (none / 0) (#26)
by bruhrabbit3 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 12:42:45 PM EST
American Hypocrite, and it succintly describes my problem with you and others here. The core issue is that you would leave Democrats not being able to say anything about anything. If you think Clinton , who was originally attacked in the 90s in this manner, will be immune or safe- I think that's a mistake. If you think other Democrats down ticket won't be attacked in this manner. that's a mistake. I think you get this. I think you take the wrong lesson from it. Namely, to be safe, say nothing that challenges. Anyway, this was about Edwards haircut- remember that? Here's the process:

"STEP 1 A new Drudge-dependent gossip (Ben Smith) at a new substance-free political rag (The Politico)--or some rightwing talkradio host (Rush Limbaugh) or some credibility-bereft right-wing blogger (a Michelle Malkin)--seizes on some petty, manufactured incident to fuel clichéd caricatures of Democratic candidates.

STEP 2 The old right-wing gossip (Drudge) employs his old, substance-free political rag (The Drudge Report) to amplify the inane caricatures.

STEP 3 National media outlets, such as AP and CNN, whose world is ruled by Drudge, take note of and begin "analyzing" the "political implications" of the gossip, thus transforming it into "news stories."

STEP 4 Our Serious Beltway Journalists and Political Analysts--in the Haircut Case, Tim Russert and Brian Williams and Adam Nagourney and the very serious and smart Substantive Journalists at The New Republic--mindlessly repeat all of it, thereby solidifying it as transparent conventional wisdom.

STEP 5 When called upon to justify their endless reporting over such petty and pointless Drudge-generated matters, these "journalists" cite Steps 1-4 as "proof" that "the people" care about these stories, even though the "evidence" consists of nothing other than their own flocklike chirping"

My problem here with Clinton, who I would be happy to have as our nominee, is that she did the exact same thing here for her own political gain. Obama has been guilty of this in the past. Now, to me, this is a time when Clinton has done it. Its unacceptable from either of them.

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Clinton WILL hurt down ticket Dems? (none / 0) (#29)
by OxyCon on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:12:06 PM EST
"If you think Clinton , who was originally attacked in the 90s in this manner, will be immune or safe- I think that's a mistake. If you think other Democrats down ticket won't be attacked in this manner. that's a mistake."

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You mean like this?

NRCC Continues to Hammer Democratic Congressmen with Obama Remarks
April 12, 2008 1:00 PM

Focusing this time on Rep. Jason Altmire, D-Pa., the National Republican Congressional Committee is trying to damn local Democrats with the comments about small towns made by Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.
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"Americans don't want liberal politicians like Barack Obama who believe Washington is a substitute for faith, personal responsibility and belief that the Constitution guarantees our freedoms.
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UPDATE: The NRCC says it's going to send out similar news releases about Democratic Reps. Nancy Boyda and Dennis Moore of Kansas, Bruce Braley of Iowa, Joe Courtney of Connecticut, Lincoln Davis of Tennessee, Joe Donnelly, Baron Hill and Brad Ellsworth of Indiana, Gabrielle Giffords and Harry Mitchell of Arizona, Ron Klein of Florida, Nick Lampson and Ciro Rodriguez of Texas, Rick Larsen of Washington, Tim Mahoney of Florida, Jim Marshall of Georgia, Jim Matheson of Utah, Jerry McNerney of California, John Salazar of Colorado, Heath Shuler of North Carolina, Zack Space and Charlie Wilson of Ohio, Bart Stupak of Michigan, and John Yarmuth of Kentucky.

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thats not what I wrote (none / 0) (#48)
by bruhrabbit3 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:35:44 PM EST


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well (none / 0) (#38)
by ColumbiaDuck on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:25:17 PM EST
It was very helpful of obama, the, to just confirm the stereotype.  The RW didn't even have to make something up!

I appreciate him making all democrats look bad.  "This is what they really think of americans behind closed doors."

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Ridiculous (none / 0) (#39)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:29:25 PM EST
Honestly, if that is what you think, then you really are not bright about politics.

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basically your arguement is that I am ridiculous (none / 0) (#47)
by bruhrabbit3 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:35:20 PM EST
got it.

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btd's point is about the hypocrisy. (5.00 / 1) (#50)
by kangeroo on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 05:38:40 PM EST
why have obama's supporters never cared thus far when obama and his supporters do much worse things in the same vein to hillary, and with unbounded enthusiasm?  your silence thus far when he's pulled this crap daily--or what's more, your having piling gleefully onto the bandwagon--speaks for itself.  oh, but when hillary is ostensibly the one doing it (surprise, surprise!) you're suddenly soooo outraged and indignant.  um, and you expect us to listen?  you have no credibility.

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