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The A List has had it with Clinton (5.00 / 7) (#1)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 04:06:10 PM EST
Actually, I sort of see John's point and I think it is actually a huge problem - for those blogs.

they have lost credibility with a significant portion of Dem readers.

BTW, I wonder if Josh Marshall see himself as pro-Obama now? He has denied it steadfastly. It has been a ludicrous denial, but he has denied it.

Marshall has seriously damaged his rep (5.00 / 3) (#5)
by Universal on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 04:10:53 PM EST
And I mean damaged it more than he did with Lieberman in '06, which was a large hit with many Dems.

Josh's gambit is so transparent it is laughable. If people can't see though the games many of these bloggers are playing, then they have not eyes.

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speaking of eyes.... (none / 0) (#95)
by Josey on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 07:17:04 PM EST
apparently Obama supporters believe if they just continue mocking and hating Hillary with all the rage they can muster - Obama will WIN!!

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/4/12/191659/104/77#c77

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Notice the tag of the first commenter, (5.00 / 1) (#118)
by MarkL on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:45:31 PM EST
about the need to defend Wright, and compare with my comment here

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do they all get together over virtual cocktails (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by TeresaInPa on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 04:44:32 PM EST
and decide what the top blog storyline is? It seems to me some folk just want to be the blog version of the liberal stooges in the print and TV media.

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That's exactly what they want to be (5.00 / 1) (#39)
by Universal on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 04:51:15 PM EST
You think Keith Olbermann isn't checking on what Josh wrote before Marshall shows up on "Countdown?"

For many of these people -- and Marshall in particular, from what I have seen -- this is a game. The readers are pawns.

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Interesting hypothesis (5.00 / 2) (#70)
by Virginian on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 05:47:57 PM EST
and I tend to agree...but I don't think that is where many of these folks started, nor their original intent...

The MSM co-opted these folks because they (the MSM) were terrified that these folks would hurt their bottom line...

Many bloggers turned to the nets because they wanted their voice heard, and the little guy doesn't get invited on Larry King to be heard...but how do you maintain your desire to be heard, and the driving momentum to your opining on your blog when you actually DO get invited onto Larry King, and ARE heard -- You don't, you're now one of them that you railed against suppressing your voice and rightness -- this is just cyclical...the Markos and Josh like bloggers will be usurped down the line by some other upstart...who will be co-opted by the big boys (or become a big boy if they are a pioneer)...

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When I see them distort the facts about (5.00 / 2) (#78)
by ruffian on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 06:05:03 PM EST
Dems, I now don't really trust their words about Republicans either.  

My surfing habits have become more niche, as I learn which blogs have which specialties, whereas I used to spend more time on Kos and TPM.

Myabe the saddest part is that there are now blogs where I never, repeat never, visit the comments section. Between the nonsense and nastiness it is a waste of time.  Do I really care who was the first to post a comment in a thread? No. Are we still that amazed by technology?

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Amen Chorus (5.00 / 2) (#102)
by jussumbody on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 08:00:21 PM EST
I used to read FDL religiously, and I still go there every once in a while to read what Jane has to say, or emptywheel (not TBogg, since he seems like an Obamabot, to my limited exposure to him).  

But the comments at FDL have become a politically correct echochamber which I have come to avoid in the last couple years.  The last time I read a comment by TeddySF it was because the subject was pretty incredible (about some fundy wanting to deport the gays).  Wondering if I might be sent to the Riviera or to Soweto, I read the post which was so silly it was embarrassing to me as a gay man, and I couldn't resist the urge to comment.  My comment was the 65th or so, and I was the first to even hint that it was hysterical nonsense taken completely out of context.  TeddySF responded by calling me a misogynist and homophobe for using the word "hysteria" (and never responded to the substance of my criticism).  And then he had my response to his response deleted (no, there was no profanity or flaming, since I knew I was surrounded by zombies loyal to TeddySF).

Anyway, it's like that old saying about the Nazis.  First they came for the trolls, and then they came for the "concern trolls"...  And then all that was left was Fitz!  Jane! First! and the amen chorus.

The sad thing about the liberal resurgence I think we've experienced in the last year or so is that it's mostly made up of the stupid sheep who voted for Bush not long ago, and they are incapable of critical thinking or accepting that their side or their man (or woman) has any serious flaws.

BTW, although Digby and Kevin Drum have not "had it with Hillary" they have both voted for Obama and declared their support for him.  And I suspect the same of Atrios.

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heh... (none / 0) (#93)
by jor on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 07:11:16 PM EST
.. you are joking right? The majority of blog readers are young. Young people overwhelmingly support Obama. Hell, if you look at other sites, like social bookmarking sites, hillary is just getting killed all over the internet (c.f. digg or reddit).

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What's your point here? n/t (none / 0) (#108)
by Gabriele Droz on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 08:25:34 PM EST


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Are you saying simply supporting (none / 0) (#117)
by shpilk on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:37:58 PM EST
Obama is damaging to one's own credibility? I don't see where there is that much difference between either candidate on the major issues.

Is being 'pro-Obama' more or less 'pro-Democratic Party' than being 'pro-Clinton'? I don't see why there needs to be a distinction.

Now, of course if you are talking about ridiculous tin foil attacks that spew forth [mostly against Hillary], I agree this part is damaging to the reputation of those blogs.

You know where I come from, and to honest I just recently have decided to support Obama, but you also I have fiercely attacked the unfair outrageous stuff against Hillary over at the GOS.

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I always appreciated (5.00 / 1) (#179)
by eleanora on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:31:31 AM EST
your fairness over there back when I used to visit. Most of the Obama and Clinton supporters I know in real-life are awesome, positive people who see both candidates whole, with all their flaws and strengths :)

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I have found it harder and harder to (none / 0) (#182)
by shpilk on Mon Apr 14, 2008 at 08:09:18 PM EST
be neutral, it's hard to view the whole, with the strengths Hillary could offer, when all I see are the flaws.

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I am saying denying it when it is true (none / 0) (#178)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 10:25:07 AM EST
and being a leader in false charges against Clinton damages your credibility.

That is Josh Marshall now.

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Marshall (none / 0) (#164)
by gyrfalcon on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 07:41:54 AM EST
is still vehemently, angrily denying he is an Obama supporter.  Weird.


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