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What are the consequences? (5.00 / 4) (#4)
by Stellaaa on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:29:48 AM EST
Will there be consequences or will they just walk away.  I still hold that unless we have an outing and a cleansing of all this Presidents will have a carte blanche to do these things.  

Interesting that Aschroft was the voice of dissent.  Maybe his values were not just for political expediency.  

They will walk away (5.00 / 4) (#10)
by madamab on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:39:52 AM EST
because the first thing Cheney did was to corrupt the Justice Department, and Bush made sure to appoint as many right-wing federal judges as possible.

They knew they were going to break the law. They knew they were going to torture and warrantlessly wiretap. They were wiretapping before 9/11 and their excuses for doing so have been proven to be lies.

Unless Pelosi puts impeachment back on the table, we will have to rely on the International community in order to get accountability for BushCo's crimes.

What a terrible state of affairs.

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Is it weird or what (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by gyrfalcon on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 12:01:33 PM EST
that John Ashcroft turns out to have been the only member of this administration with the slightest whiff of honor and morality?


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Utterly bizarre. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by madamab on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 12:04:32 PM EST
He also refused to sign off on warrantless wiretapping.

And he has a lovely singing voice, too! ;-)

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Ashcroft's singing voice (none / 0) (#20)
by gyrfalcon on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 12:09:47 PM EST
Aaiiieeee! ("Let the eeeeeegulll soar...")

He's a more interesting character than I had given him credit for, that's for sure.


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Maybe You Don't Like (none / 0) (#30)
by squeaky on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 01:01:05 PM EST
His choice of music, but his singing is one of the few things that is undisputedly very high quality, imo.

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Oh, my goodness! (none / 0) (#44)
by gyrfalcon on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:59:25 PM EST
No, it isn't!  His singing is flat and wobbly.  There is, or was, a half-decent pop instrument in there somewhere once, but he has no clue how to actually sing, so he's wrecked it.

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I don't know about that (5.00 / 2) (#25)
by Molly Bloom on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 12:39:20 PM EST
Ashcroft's complaint seems to have been about discussing torture at the White House, not with actual torture.

By the Balkinization has some good posts on this. Say it ain't so Colin and Perhaps A Truth Commission.

I am afraid the commentators there are right. Nothing will happen.

Here is my nightmare of how it goes down.

Sometime after the election- late December- Bush will issue blanket pardons for the underlings involved in the name of national security. The evening before inauguration Dana Perrino will announce Bush has resigned and CJ Roberts has sworn in Dick Cheney (who was pardoned about an hour earlier) as President. Then President Cheney will pardon Bush.

One last  giant Friedman Unit to all of us.  

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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You and I have the same nightmare. (5.00 / 2) (#26)
by madamab on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 12:55:05 PM EST
Again, we should have impeached these treasonous, criminal bastards a long time ago. No pardons. 100% accountability.

A lefty pipe dream, I guess.

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All the more reason to impeach Cheney first (5.00 / 3) (#27)
by Molly Bloom on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 12:57:02 PM EST
And refuse to confirm a successor VP.

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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Yes (5.00 / 2) (#28)
by squeaky on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 12:57:55 PM EST
He was just protecting the Administration by suggesting that this kind of discussion should not be traceable to the WH. Tenent knew that blaming a rogue CIA would be the next latest fashion and was not going to have any of it. He forced a paper trail from top, and Ashcroft did not like that.

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Pardons don't matter... (none / 0) (#35)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 01:30:16 PM EST
...to the World Court.  These f*#ks will be fair game once they are out of office and step outside the US.  

I'm hopeful that there are some places that would be thrilled to see this bunch face some measure of justice, especially if they get off here.

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You planning on rendentioning them (none / 0) (#39)
by Molly Bloom on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:31:46 PM EST
to the Hague?

There is a reason Henry the K never leaves the country.

"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
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Honor and morality? Or just realization what they (5.00 / 1) (#41)
by jawbone on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:46:40 PM EST
were doing was clearly illegal?

That seems to be the issue--he did, after all, go along with everything presented to him in the group of Principals.  

He just didn't want it talked about inside the White House.

Big difference.

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Well, I said just a whiff... (none / 0) (#45)
by gyrfalcon on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:01:03 PM EST


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I wish I had something more intelligent to say (none / 0) (#23)
by RickTaylor on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 12:14:39 PM EST
about all this. It's deeply disturbing we've come to this point; I don't know where we go from here. Yes there ought to be indictments. But those are likely to divide the country, with conservatives arguing this was necessary to protect Americans, and accusing those who'd attempt to enforce the law traitors. I'm afraid the principal of respect for the rule of law is at a nadir in this country.

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