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Though the Ohio stuff is clear (none / 0) (#2)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:30:28 PM EST
The Texas stuff I do not like.

This was one of the issues on the (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:37:23 PM EST
conference call between HRC campaign, Obama campaign, and TX Dem. party officials.  Must caucus voter sign in personally, or may sd. caucus voter be signed in absentia by another caucus attendee?  This is the point on which Clinton campaign stated that, if there was no letter agreement that each caucus attendee must personally sign in at the caucus, Clinton campaign might consider filing a lawsuit.

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If this turns out to be true, it would (5.00 / 2) (#24)
by RalphB on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:54:42 PM EST
seem a suit would be in order.  Does anyone know if such a letter was agreed?


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I'm getting nightmarish deja vu... (none / 0) (#29)
by Maria Garcia on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:59:05 PM EST
...of Florida 2000. Only this time it will be Democrats leading the Sore Loserman charge. I am seriously hoping that when Jeralyn provides updates that I can laugh at myself for overreacting.

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Hey, you asking us? Aren't you are (none / 0) (#48)
by oculus on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:10:14 PM EST
person on the ground in TX?  Answer:  I don't know.

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When I Voted I Received a Card (none / 0) (#94)
by sumac on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:59:01 PM EST
that I was to present at the caucus. Without the card (which was proof that I voted in the Democratic Primary), I would have to contact an election official and have them confirm my vote.

It is my understanding (I'll know more tonight), that the voter must present the card and then can caucus for his/her candidate.

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The voter has to sign in for his/herself, and stay (none / 0) (#116)
by Angel on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 03:36:18 PM EST
for the meeting.  No leaving early.

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not quite true (none / 0) (#129)
by wasabi on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 04:26:15 PM EST
As far as I know they are free to leave as soon as they sign in.  It is not advisable though because there may not be enough people left in the room to be delegates to the county caucus.  After the counting is done and the delegates are selected, it is safe to leave.  Then the rest of the party business gets attended to, such as the reviewing of the propositions and position papers.

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No, the person has to be there during and until (none / 0) (#141)
by Angel on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 04:44:32 PM EST
the delegate allocation has been made.  What if someone calls a point of order asking for a roll call verification?  If that person is not there then their vote DOES NOT COUNT.  The rules are very explicit on this.  Anyone is free to leave once the delegate allocation has been made.  

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How close is the Secretary of State in Ohio (none / 0) (#16)
by JoeA on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:47:42 PM EST
to Ted Strickland?  i.e. How far are we to believe that he is impartial?

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He could be Strickland's brother (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by ChrisO on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 01:52:05 PM EST
and it wouldn't mean he would abuse his office to screw up the voting process. I'm guessing every Secretary of State is an elected official, and has political alliances. That doesn't mean that he or she will turn into Katherine Harris.

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I'm not sure how the Ohio thing (none / 0) (#40)
by JoeA on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:06:05 PM EST
turns into a "dirty trick" by even the most stretched of definitions.

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voter intimidation (none / 0) (#67)
by p lukasiak on Tue Mar 04, 2008 at 02:25:48 PM EST
certified observers are certified by the state, and that certification requires that the observer understand, and abide by, the rules under which voters may and may not be challenged.

Letting just anyone challenge voters creates a potential for voter intimidation and suppression.

The question I have (as with everyone else) is how far up the ladder this thing goes.  It could be just a local/isolated -- probably some local Obama organizer screwed up, and didn't get all their observers certified, so they made copies of the Obama letter and handed them out to people.

But it may well go farther than that -- remember the whole protest over the Nevada caucuses?  That was due to the Obama campaign not reading the rules in total, and sending out false information regarding when people had to show up to participate.  So its entirely possible that someone higher up in the campaign screwed up, and thought he could get away with just giving out letters from Obama to his observers, rather than getting them certified in advance.

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