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Let's suppose Clinton isn't concerned at all (5.00 / 4) (#14)
by bruhrabbit3 on Sun Mar 30, 2008 at 04:17:00 PM EST
about the voters of MI and FL. Does that make Obama right in his anti democratic actions if she does feel that way? Why does what Clinton feel matter with regard to your beliefs in democracy? That's a little like me saying becuase I hate Bush, I think we should have denied his voters the right to vote in 2004. It's about the same level of logic. It sounds very much l ike you are saying the ends justify the means. That becuase you don't like Clinton, that should influence how some of us view the right to vote. An odd argument unless you are so partisan you can't even see what you are saying anymore.

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The "Obama blocks revotes" (none / 0) (#89)
by mattt on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:12:12 PM EST
meme has been way, way overplayed, I think to the detriment of Dem chances in MI and Fl if he does carry the nomination.

He did propose a means to count the vote in MI (at least; not sure about FL): a caucus.  But Clinton followers give him no points there because a caucus is seen as favoring his chances, so it was just a self-serving move.  Meanwhile, the quickie revote proposed by Clinton would be dominated by party insiders with little time for grassroots organization, and therefore favor her chances.  But nobody talks about how self-serving that proposal is.....not to mention her suggestion that the January primaries were "fairly decided" and should count as-is, despite the fact that Obama wasn't even on the ballot.

They're both playing to win with the hands they're dealt.

Meanwhile, nobody wants to talk about the 100 or so superdelegates Clinton had committed even before Iowa, before the voters in their states had a chance even to see the competition.  Take them away and Obama is leading in superdelegates, too.

If you want a perfect world, max-democracy scenario: have fair revotes in MI and FL, with time to organize and campaign.  Wipe out any superdelegates who committed before the first votes were cast.  Poll the participants in caucus states that did not report popular vote totals, and add those numbers into the total PV.

Clinton would probably win FL and MI, but certainly by smaller margins than in January.  Maybe much smaller, and MI might even be in play.  She'd lose about 100 superdelegates relative to BO.  And Obama would gain popular votes.  End result: Obama leads in every category, in most by wide margins.

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