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Seriously BTD (none / 0) (#4)
by dwightkschrute on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 02:30:50 PM EST
Why is it necessary to close with this?

Anyone think Obama will change that? Me neither.

As far as I can see the article linked to does not mention Obama. How is calling him out specifically on this issue germane and not just petty pro-Clinton pandering?

Yep (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 02:38:56 PM EST
Obama has been silent on this. You are right.

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I don't think he's been entirely silent (none / 0) (#11)
by ItsGreg on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 02:52:36 PM EST
On 12 Feb when the Senate voted on the amendment involving retroactive immunity for telecom companies, Obama voted in favor of stripping the immunity. He may not have addressed the latest speculation about a Democratic capitulation, but I think he's made his position clear.

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Um (5.00 / 2) (#18)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 03:01:29 PM EST
right. That's leadership for you.

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Clinton didn't even vote the last time (none / 0) (#19)
by magster on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 03:07:10 PM EST
Criticize both of them or neither of them.

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Yes sir (none / 0) (#23)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 03:24:43 PM EST


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Obama voted on the amendment (none / 0) (#24)
by Jeralyn on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 03:24:49 PM EST
but not the final bill. He was gone by that time. This is well documented. In past posts, I've linked to the roll call votes. The bill passed easily. His vote against it would not have mattered.

Both Obama and Hillary were there and voted a few weeks earlier on the cloture motion.

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the attack is still petty (none / 0) (#13)
by dwightkschrute on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 02:55:46 PM EST
To use this issue to make a snide comment about Obama is unnecessary. Neither candidate has been a vocal leader on this issue. The only candidate, or even Senator, that has been is Chris Dodd - who you may have heard endorsed Obama. You obviously know Clinton was the only Democratic Senator that didn't bother to show up at all to vote on it, but somehow you don't include her name. The decision you've made to snipe at and nitpick only one candidate is baffling. I'd like to think you're better than that.

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I think it is entirely necessary (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 03:01:00 PM EST


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Unreal (none / 0) (#21)
by dwightkschrute on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 03:13:17 PM EST
For some reason you'd like to avoid giving any type of substantive response. But it's becoming increasingly hard to see how all your railing against other Left blogs for always singling out Clinton isn't just blatant hypocrisy on your part.

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What? (none / 0) (#22)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 03:24:30 PM EST
I just expressed to you that I think it is entirely necessary.

That is certainly a substantive response.

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Forget it (none / 0) (#28)
by dwightkschrute on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 03:55:30 PM EST
I'd love to see in your legal world how it would fly saying "I think it is entirely necessary" but not following up at all with any reasoning or explanation. But maybe that's just the way you roll. It's just hard to understand your blood thirst for raking Obama over the coals. You openly praise centrist politicians like Dean and Clark, yet obsess over anything mildly centrist Obama says. All the while staying blissfully silent about Clinton's long list of centrist qualities. If somehow you feel it's your job to counterbalance to the Left blogsphere embrace of Obama fine. But there's no need to be sophomoric about it. And if you're going to rip other Left blogs, make sure it's not for something you do - just with the candidates name switched.

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Ah (none / 0) (#29)
by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 04:15:42 PM EST
My apologies Your Honor.

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Relax (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by Warren Terrer on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 02:46:04 PM EST
Clinton stinks on this issue too.

As for Obama, isn't the two parties coming together to craft legislation such as this exactly what Unity is all about?

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