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What Pelosi Has Sown | 201 comments (201 topical)
Have you nothing at all to say (5.00 / 1) (#48)
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:31:21 PM EST
about what Pelosi has done?

It is attitudes like yours which will threaten Obama's ability to win in November.

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Catch 22 (5.00 / 0) (#88)
by MKS on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:45:38 PM EST
if she stays neutral and does nothing, then she is not exercising leadership....If she steps forward and gives an opinion on the process, then she is now taking sides....

There is a significant amount of reporting that many superdelegates are not happy with Hillary's kitchen-sink campaign.  Cantwell tends to reflect that...

The party leaders should not try to short-circuit the process...but if the campaign is not a clean one, then the Superdelegates, who will ultimately decide this, may decide to do so sooner rather than later....  

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BS!!! (5.00 / 3) (#92)
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:47:48 PM EST
What leadership is she exercising now? She is a discredited figure for half the PArty. What nonsense.

She does not get to decide when this race ends. It is folly to think she does. I think she believed it the idiot that she is.

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Timing (none / 0) (#96)
by MKS on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:50:14 PM EST
At some point, the party leaders need to step in....The agrument I suppose is that she acted too soon....

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Nooo (none / 0) (#121)
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:00:39 PM EST
The party leaders should NEVER step in.

Mostly because their intervention is ineffectual and harmful.

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what? (none / 0) (#140)
by tsackton on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:15:45 PM EST
Everybody pretty much agrees that the nomination is going to be ultimately decided by party leaders, i.e. superdelegates, right?

So how can they both decide the nomination and also NEVER step in? That doesn't make sense to me. Of course the party leaders have to step in at some point. We can have a reasonable disagreement about when that point should be, but not that it will happen.

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Hint (5.00 / 2) (#156)
by Warren Terrer on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:23:37 PM EST
It should be AFTER the voters have voted.

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You must be joking (none / 0) (#161)
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:26:13 PM EST
Are you comparing Super Delegates endorsing to Pelosi pretending she is neutral and saying all these divisive things? Did you NOT read me saying Pelosi should just endorse Obama and be done with it?

I detest this type of commenting.

I am willing to engage in an honest exchange. If you want to play games, go do it with someone else.

I have no respect for your type of BS.

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Just because (5.00 / 2) (#102)
by nell on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 01:52:16 PM EST
Just because the mainstream media claims Hillary is throwing the kitchen sink does not make it so. Obama's campaign has been HORRIBLE towards her and they have been hell bent on tearing her and Bill down in the most personal terms possible. Have you listened to the conference calls his campaign hosts? They made me almost want to vomit. I have NEVER talked about anybody, even someone I hated, in such destructive terms.

Just because the media lets him get away with it, does not make it okay and it does not mean that no one has noticed. He is going to have to work REALLY hard for my vote if he is the nominee and everyday that he keeps up this lie that only she is negative that she has some kind of character gap he makes it less and less likely that he will ever get my vote.

By the way, many Clinton supporters have followed up with Cantwell and were told that Cantwell still backs Clinton enthuiastically and that she mentioned pledged delegates in a list of other factors, including the popular vote and electability. My guess is she said what she said to get Obama supporters who were harrassing her like they do every other superdelegate off her back.

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the Clinton campaign (5.00 / 1) (#143)
by tsackton on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:16:54 PM EST
started with the "kitchen sink" rhetoric. There is a lot the media has done wrong this election cycle, but it is hard to blame them for that one.

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I Think It Was The Media (none / 0) (#195)
by flashman on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:58:12 PM EST
I never heard the Clintons use that term, and I've been listening pretty carefully.  If the media put the words into her mouth, it certainly would not be the first time.

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not the Clintons, but her campaign (none / 0) (#207)
by tsackton on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:17:38 PM EST
Here is the relevant article, claiming the term was put out there by a Clinton aide.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26clinton.html?sq=

Admittedly not a direct quote, but I doubt the NY Times would have led off the article with it if it wasn't actually said by an aide.

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The (none / 0) (#126)
by Claw on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:05:26 PM EST
Reason the media uses the "kitchen sink" term is because the Clinton camp came up with it.  I think this goes to my point above about why we can't trust the media to cover this thing responsibly.  

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Add here I thought that Pelosi (5.00 / 3) (#136)
by Anne on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:12:27 PM EST
really should have her hands full in the House, attending to the difficult work of crafting a successful legislative agenda, and working with the DCCC to make sure Democrats are positoned well to perhaps increase our numbers in the House, but apparently, she has plenty of free time and thinks it is best spent elbowing her way to the microphone to make sure we all know what she thinks about the delegates and superdelegates and the nominating process.

If she were a real leader, her precious little free time would be better spent reminding the people that the superdelegates are supposed to follow their own conscience in deciding for whom to vote, as opposed to instructing them on what she thinks they should do.

I'm sorry, but I don't know why anyone would follow the advice of the "leader" who took impeachment off the table, and gave the Bush administration the all-clear to continue its activites with impunity.

What a disappointment.

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She Was Right (none / 0) (#150)
by squeaky on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:20:34 PM EST
About taking impeachment off the table. Considering that impeachment cannot happen after a Prez leaves office, imagine the distraction and blame that the Dems would face in nov 08 after having wasted all the time and money on an empty gesture.

Can you imagine that circus going on now as well. The Iraq war (what Iraq war?) has fallen off the radar.

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ditto! (none / 0) (#154)
by thereyougo on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:22:26 PM EST


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ditto! (none / 0) (#155)
by thereyougo on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:22:46 PM EST


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What Pelosi Has Sown | 201 comments (201 topical)

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