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Greta Interviews Hillary | 159 comments (159 topical)
I wholeheartedly agree. (5.00 / 1) (#42)
by halstoon on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:16:33 PM EST
Either Clinton or Obama will be the nominee going into Denver, and they will then seat those FL & MI delegations, but no way do they play a part in choosing who that nominee is.

If Clinton sweeps the last 10 states, or if Obama just completely implodes, she'll be the nominee. Barring either of those extremes, Obama will get the support of Gore, Pelosi, and the rest of the major SDs in June if he continues to lead in pledged delegates and popular vote. If Clinton manages to win the popular vote, Gov. Bredesen's idea of an informal caucus among SDs will happen--either in person or by massive phone relay--and they will decide which candidate to back.

Either way, Democrats will begin the task of reconciling their base by July 1 in order to avoid a certain loss in November.

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Clinton doesn't need to sweep (5.00 / 1) (#48)
by diplomatic on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:20:11 PM EST
Winning Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Indiana and Puerto Rico by big enough margins might be enough, depending on how the "feel of things" plays out.

We can sit here making predictions and speculating until the cows come home but too many things can happen.  Just think back to some of the past contests and how the spin looked before the voting took place and how the race felt the day after.


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Well sure (none / 0) (#69)
by flyerhawk on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:43:46 PM EST
if she wins PA by 25 points and Indiana by 25 points she probably doesn't need to sweep.  But that doesn't seem very likely.  

As it stands right now it would appear that NC and PA are going to be very close to a push.   WV only has 28 delegates so even a big win there isn't going to get her much.  Maybe 4 or 5 delegates?  Indiana has 72 so they could have an impact but still it is unlikely to be more than 10 delegates or so.

So mathematically it is unlikely for Hillary to catch Obama.  So she needs a strong narrative to carry the day.  If she and Obama split the remaining states, more or less, then she won't have that.

Puerto Rico is valuable because of it's delegates but it won't help the narrative since they don't actually vote in the general election.

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If they don't play a part (5.00 / 3) (#49)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:20:26 PM EST
Then Obama's victory is built on a foundation of disenfranchisement.

And once you arrive at that point, blame doesn't matter anymore.

It is what it is.  That's all anyone ever remembers is the guy who won cause states were left out of the process.

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Good luck (5.00 / 3) (#128)
by kenoshaMarge on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:39:37 AM EST
with reconciling the base. The Democratic Party has done it's utmost to anger a good part of their base and a great many "reliable" voters. They are convinced that no matter what happens all the little pointy-headed libs will come home in November and thus they must work hardest at wooing the Independents and and stray Republicans incensed at their own party and looking for a "stick-in-the-eye" vote.

IMO the Dems are so split at this time that even a unity ticket will enrage half the voters. i.e. Clinton/Obama enrages Obama supporters and Obama/Clinton enrages Clinton supporters. Plus I don't see either one of them being willing to take a back seat to the other.

Reconcile? As I said, good luck with that. Dean, Pelosi, Reid really copulated the pooch on this one.

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Full court press (5.00 / 4) (#148)
by mm on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 10:07:22 AM EST
This full court press that's going on right now, the incessant, continual repetition of the "concern" of Democratic party leaders that Sen. Clinton has no chance to win is designed for one single purpose and that is to demoralize the Clinton supporters in PA to the point that they just give up and won't show up.

I have voted for every Democratic candidate since George McGovern, but I have to say that this heavy handed, thumb-on-the-scales, behavior of the Democratic party establishment to force me to accept this clearly unqualified, inexperienced (he spent a grand total of 1 year in the Senate before deciding to start running for president) candidate down my throat - has pushed me and my family over the edge.  

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Exactly. It's attempting vote suppression (5.00 / 2) (#154)
by Cream City on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 10:25:43 AM EST
in psychological ways.  From afar, I'm quite angry that this is being done to Pennsylvanians, in particular, and hope they fight back but good.  (I know West Virginians and know they're tough, and they tell me they're much like western Pennsylvanians that way.  As for eastern Pennsylvanians, the Cradle of Liberty likes to go to the polls and demonstrate democracy, I would bet.)

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I hope (none / 0) (#163)
by mm on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:16:46 AM EST
I hope you're right and they're able to see through this, but it's very hard when you're being inundated constantly 24 hours a day with the message that you're irrelevant and the race is over no matter what you do.  You don't count.

I have alot of friends and family in NJ and they all feel the same way.  JW's latest insult of the Italians didn't help either.  If they succeed in carrying Obama across the finish line, I would bet that NJ will be in play in the GE.

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