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I think you don't know (5.00 / 1) (#33)
by Cream City on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 10:59:48 PM EST
Michiganders, especially Yoopers, and how angry they are.  Tip: Steer clear of the UP with that talk. :-)

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They very well may be (5.00 / 1) (#47)
by flyerhawk on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:19:59 PM EST
incensed by all this.  But the truth is that they have no one to blame but themselves.  The Michigan legislature didn't act in a vacuum.  They moved the date up because it was a politically popular thing to do.

I don't feel a great deal of pity for them.   My state moved up it's primary this year.  But they follow the rules as set forth by the DNC.  Thus, for the first time in decades, NJ voters had a say in the nomination process.  

Why should Michigan and/or Florida get GREATER influence on the nomination for violating the rules?

And, as I said, this ignores the fact that procedurally there really is no way for their votes to matter in a meaningful way.  Either Obama will retain his lead, which case he will control the Convention floor or Hillary will wipe out that lead and, with the aid of the SDs, she will have control of the floor and win the nomination regardless of Fl and Mi.

At this point the entire FL and MI issue is moot.  Nothing can be done about it until August.  It is no longer a factor in the primary elections.

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Oh, I think you're very wrong that (5.00 / 1) (#51)
by Cream City on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:21:54 PM EST
nothing can be done about this until August.

But let's leave it at that, to save you saying the same things yet again.  We'll both wait and see.

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Well the easiest way (5.00 / 1) (#59)
by flyerhawk on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:34:52 PM EST
to prove how wrong I am is to explain HOW I am wrong.

What is the mechanism that seats the MI and FL delegates before the convention without the approval of both candidates?  

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So many ways . . . (none / 0) (#68)
by Cream City on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:41:18 PM EST
DNC changes decision again, based on needing funds for the Denver convention -- see story today on big donors/Clinton backers coming down on Dean, et al. -- and/or super-delegates commit in sufficient numbers, and/or Harry Reid does whatever he says will be done to resolve this in backrooms by then, etc.

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It can't do that (5.00 / 1) (#79)
by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:01:43 AM EST
the DNC can't change their minds.  Here are the rules

Section 20 Part D

Unresolved Challenges and Report to the Credentials Committee. The DNC Rules and Bylaws
Committee shall report its activities, together with all challenges and complaints, to the
Credentials Committee of the Democratic National Convention. In cases involving unresolved
challenges which are appealed to the Credentials Committee, the burden of proof shall rest with
the party presenting the challenge.

There is no mechanism for the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee, the guys who issued the punishment, to reverse it. So unless you are suggesting that the DNC will flagrantly ignore their own rules and simply decree that the state delegations be seated, there is no way it can be done.

The possibility of that happening is vanishingly small.  And if they were to try they would get sued in about 5 seconds.  

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A total disregard (none / 0) (#61)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:35:42 PM EST

Even if Michaganers agreed it was their own fault, and not all of them are going to agree on that, they're still going to believe the punishment -- not counting in the most historic Democratic Primary of our lives -- did not fit the crime.

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That may be so (5.00 / 1) (#66)
by flyerhawk on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 11:39:29 PM EST
But there isn't much that can be done about it at this point.  The die has been cast.  

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Actually they do have (none / 0) (#80)
by hookfan on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 12:04:00 AM EST
Obama's obstructionism is an easy target,no?

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